Team v Man Utd

[KingKay]

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Premature again ... always happens

 

[cozzo]

I agree Lloris should be introduced in to the first team over the course of the season , but Old Trafford isn't the place to do it. We need an experienced head at the back to organise the back four and prevent any silly mistakes that United / Fergie / the Referee are masters of taking advantage of. At no point have i said that Friedel should play every game, but when we have an inform goalkeeper with a wealth of experience, i think we'd be crazy not to use that to our advantage in a game that historically, we spectacularly implode.

In response to the staying on his line accusations; i can see your point especially playing the high line with the fullbacks pushing up. From what i've heard one of Lloris' main attributes is rushing out to collect / intercept through balls so this will obviously work well as we implement AVB's system and style of play over time.

I would still argue that Friedel is one of the best keepers in the league at the moment in terms of consistency. You only need to look at the mistakes other keepers have made so far this season.

Did Friedel's experience make a difference last season against Man United? I don't even think that Friedel is "in form" he just doing what he is supposed to do. God help if we sign Falcao and Defoe hits a hatrick against Reading at home

 

[talkshowhost86]

This is a guy with several seasons first team footy including European campaigns, not to mention the approaching 50 caps for France and being their captain. To make him out to be some rookie who needs careful blooding into the team is just wrong.

Whilst that's true, he does need time to integrate with the squad, particularly as he apparently plays a completely different way to Friedel. I'm hoping we're doing some work on the training ground to get the defence used to a keeper who doesn't stay rooted to his line and I'm sure that's when Lloris will come in.

Hopefully that's this weekend.

 

[Mr Pink]

I agree Lloris should be introduced in to the first team over the course of the season , but Old Trafford isn't the place to do it. We need an experienced head at the back to organise the back four and prevent any silly mistakes that United / Fergie / the Referee are masters of taking advantage of. At no point have i said that Friedel should play every game, but when we have an inform goalkeeper with a wealth of experience, i think we'd be crazy not to use that to our advantage in a game that historically, we spectacularly implode.

In response to the staying on his line accusations; i can see your point especially playing the high line with the fullbacks pushing up. From what i've heard one of Lloris' main attributes is rushing out to collect / intercept through balls so this will obviously work well as we implement AVB's system and style of play over time.

I would still argue that Friedel is one of the best keepers in the league at the moment in terms of consistency. You only need to look at the mistakes other keepers have made so far this season.

My problem with Friedel is his refusal to come and deal with things. Even when Walker went to chest it out for a corner the other day when nobody was around him - that's stemming from the uncertainty of having a keeper who won't come and deal with things.

He's a very good shot stopper but some of the other aspects don't fill me with a lot of confidence - and that translates to our whole defensive performance in many cases.

He is a consistent though and its just that standard, when you consider all the other aspects of goal keeping in overall terms, is just about decent IMO. Lloris is the better all round goal keeper and I believe are defense will benefit from that. Its the reason I want him integrated as quickly as we can.

 

[HodisGawd]

100 per cent with you on this.

 

[KingKay]

This is a guy with several seasons first team footy including European campaigns, not to mention the approaching 50 caps for France and being their captain. To make him out to be some rookie who needs careful blooding into the team is just wrong.

Where did i imply that he was a rookie? The odds are massively stacked against us before we even step on the pitch at Old Trafford and a player who has bags of experience of these kinds of situations will be a huge asset. The guy has played over 300 consecutive games, he probably know's the league better than most by now.

 

[Mr Pink]

Where did i imply that he was a rookie? The odds are massively stacked against us before we even step on the pitch at Old Trafford and a player who has bags of experience of these kinds of situations will be a huge asset. The guy has played over 300 consecutive games, he probably know's the league better than most by now.

To be fair though mate, Lloris has probably played in front of bigger crowds and bigger arenas more frequently than Friedel has. In fact you could argue that he's more experience with big games via the Champions League etc..

 

[KingKay]

Did Friedel's experience make a difference last season against Man United? I don't even think that Friedel is "in form" he just doing what he is supposed to do. God help if we sign Falcao and Defoe hits a hatrick against Reading at home

You've lost me

 

[KingKay]

To be fair though mate, Lloris has probably played in front of bigger crowds and bigger arenas more frequently than Friedel has. In fact you could argue that he's more experience with big games via the Champions League etc..

I'm not saying he doesn't have experience, just a different kind. Also it does seem like we'd be throwing him in the deep end a little, with not much to gain from doing so. Whatever a players experience they're likely to be nervous on their league debut and Old Trafford is neither the time nor the place for that.

 

[peter_the_yid]

You've lost me

Basically he is saying Friedel was experienced last season and we still got ripped apart by Man united and if we signed Falcao but Defoe scored 3 against weak opposition we wouldnt play him till Defoe had a blip.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm not saying he doesn't have experience, just a different kind. Also it does seem like we'd be throwing him in the deep end a little, with not much to gain from doing so. Whatever a players experience they're likely to be nervous on their league debut and Old Trafford is neither the time nor the place for that.

I would agree if we were talking about someone who wasn't the present captain of France.

I think its a bit of a moot point in all honesty, unless of course AVB thinks he's not ready yet.

 

[mpickard2087]

Where did i imply that he was a rookie? The odds are massively stacked against us before we even step on the pitch at Old Trafford and a player who has bags of experience of these kinds of situations will be a huge asset. The guy has played over 300 consecutive games, he probably know's the league better than most by now.

Rookie was maybe the wrong word, but I'd say Lloris is an experienced head himself it sounded like you were doing him a disservice.

I just dont really rate Friedel anymore than bang average, I dont think his experience will add anything to our team in this game as its not as if he will step up to the plate. He'll make decent saves, not outstanding, that I'd expect a goalkeeper to make but apart from that he'll be glued to his line letting everyone else deal with the danger whilst he shouts constructive stuff like 'AWAAAAAY!'

Lloris may at least come off his line and be proactive at dealing with the pressure, plus push the team a bit further up the pitch by coming to the edge of his box and acting as another player in possession. If anyone's going to be an asset its him, IMO.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

The same guy said we'd sign Andy Carroll all summer, so pinch of salt required.
Hope he is right though. Friedel is a great shot stopper. BUt limited in other ways. If us fans can see that then hopefully the coaching staff can too, or they are doing something wrong.

We dOnt see training nor know their character.

 

[Mr Pink]

Rookie was maybe the wrong word, but I'd say Lloris is an experienced head himself it sounded like you were doing him a disservice.

I just dont really rate Friedel anymore than bang average, I dont think his experience will add anything to our team in this game as its not as if he will step up to the plate. He'll make decent saves, not outstanding, that I'd expect a goalkeeper to make but apart from that he'll be glued to his line letting everyone else deal with the danger whilst he shouts constructive stuff like 'AWAAAAAY!'

Lloris may at least come off his line and be proactive at dealing with the pressure, plus push the team a bit further up the pitch by coming to the edge of his box and acting as another player in possession. If anyone's going to be an asset its him, IMO.

Agree. And the last thing we want at OT is inviting more pressure in and around the box because our keeper won't come and claim the ball when its there to be claimed and relieve some pressure - which there will inevitably be plenty of.

 

[mpickard2087]

Agree. And the last thing we want at OT is inviting more pressure in and around the box because our keeper won't come and claim the ball when its there to be claimed and relieve some pressure - which there will inevitably be plenty of.

But... but... Friedel made a mighty two saves each against WBA and QPR, and even better a hall-of-fame worthy four saves against Norwich... However would we cope without him?

 

[Mr Pink]

Anyway here's a link to the match thread on Redcafe....have a look at they're proposed line ups if you like:

http://www.redcafe.net/f11/manchester-united-vs-tottenham-hotspur-359620/

 

[Mr Pink]

But... but... Friedel made a mighty two saves each against WBA and QPR, and even better a hall-of-fame worthy four saves against Norwich... However would we cope without him?

I seriously had a dream the other night that we were playing Blackburn at the Lane and Brad had his walking stick in goal with him, and was beating the ball away with it - the commentators were going mad with the superlatives

 

[KingKay]

Agree. And the last thing we want at OT is inviting more pressure in and around the box because our keeper won't come and claim the ball when its there to be claimed and relieve some pressure - which there will inevitably be plenty of.

Lloris may at least come off his line and be proactive at dealing with the pressure, plus push the team a bit further up the pitch by coming to the edge of his box and acting as another player in possession. If anyone's going to be an asset its him, IMO.

I'd agree with some of the points that you have made but i don't think either of you are paying enough service to the Old Trafford factor. The last thing we want is Lloris hurtling off his line looking to make a good first impression. The referee doesn't need half an excuse to send a player off and award a penalty up there. A calm experienced head will be an asset in my opinion, and the perceived weakness to Friedel's game might actually be a bonus.

 

[KingKay]

I seriously had a dream the other night that we were playing Blackburn at the Lane and Brad had his walking stick in goal with him, and was beating the ball away with it - the commentators were going mad with the superlatives

I'd see someone about that

 

[robbiedee]

I think the keeper is the only 'decision' AVB has to make.

Friedel/Lloris
Walker Gallas Caulker Vertongan
Sandro Dembele
Lennon Defoe Bale

I have no problem with Big Brad staying in goal, but I'm a suspicious kind of bloke and think the only reason Lloris wouldn't have featured in the Crap-It-All 1 Cup is if AVB had plans for him on Saturday (not sub keeper).

I have to say when called into action against Lazio, I like what I saw...his movement, clean catches and distribution. I gues we'll find out come 5.00pmish on Saturday.

Alternative scenario...all 4 keepers in a room with AVB and Tony Parkes...AVB asks 'who wants to play in goal against Man U on saturday?' A lengthy silence then takes place. After 5 mins of nobody saying a word Brad Friedel asks 'Hugo?'. Lloris replies 'Non, non. You have been a great keeper. It should be you.' Brad, not convinced asks Gomes 'Hey Octopus, do you want to play in goal?', Gomes replies 'no, not me, Hugo'. Brad then turns to Cuducini 'Carlo? what about you?' Cuducini says 'Naaah, Hugo'. Brad turns to Parkes and AVB 'It looks like its unanimous, they all want me to go in goal'.