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Particularly odd coming from someone named after Andy Reid, who was no waif.
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Particularly odd coming from someone named after Andy Reid, who was no waif.
His surging runs are nice, but he reverts to those runs all the time verse a simple 20 yard pass that splits the lines and keeps the defense from collapsing.
What I think people are not realizing is space is an issue. When attacking, after winning the ball back, or when the defense is set, there are lines of defense. When a player, Dembele in this instance, is facing those lines they can either pick a pass that slices through those lines, or they can make a run and split them themselves. Now if you choose to do the latter, you need to Coutinho that bitch and continue on with your run and attempt to create cause now you just put an extra body and have forced that line of defense you just broke, to collapse. With Dembele he breaks that line with his run, but then stops and holds the ball or he passes it back. When he does that, he not only forces the defensive lines to become compact, he adds himself into the mix which makes for even less space.
So in short, he eats up valuable space with his constant runs. Sometime you need to break that line with a pass and then run into that area. Not run into that area, pause, and recycle.
As for slowness, I disagree. That again is down to the CM2. Logic follows the same thing above in the sense that we allow teams to get back into shape and then we slowly, self inflicted, force their lines to become so compact that the AM3 have no space to work with. If the CM2 get the ball up the pitch to our Attacking line, with space, we would be seeing more of the Eriksen, Alli, Lamela, Son, Kane we would like.
Again, I disagree. We looked a bit better due to Harry being up top as he just adds a different dimension, but I would say our FBs were still the bridge for our attacks, as they have been for a couple years.
BTW: thanks for the debate and discussion rather than "you're wrong. Go cheer on another team you hater" type flaming remarks we sometimes get.
I think you've got the realise that you are not the only Einstein to realise that he has limitations to his game.I agree and disagree. If he plays in the middle he is a detriment to the team. If he plays up the pitch, I am all for it.
I need to really put together an analysis video of Dembele as a CM cause I really do think people are infatuated by his ability to shield the ball and turn, which is all fine and dandy, but it is what he does after that, that has my panties in a bunch.
I ask, cause I don't have to time to sit and edit video, to watch Dortmund, Liverpool, Chelsea, Madrid and the rest of the teams that are banging in goals and ask yourself this. How is their CM pairing playing. Weigel, Henderson, Can and the rest are quicker to move the ball into attack.
Also ask yourself this. Why do we consistently struggle to break teams down? Why do teams always seem to "Park the Bus" against us? Because we play so bloody slow and conservative.
Yesterday, when either Dembele or Wanyama for that matter won the ball, they either 1) played it back 2) played it sideways to the FB 3) held onto the ball and dribbled it forward.
In order to find space and take advantage of the opposing teams holes in their shape, that transition must become lightening quick like Henderson did yesterday or how Weigel does everyday for Dortmund.
Dembele drives us forward when up the pitch, yes. But he slows us down when behind the midline and is a detriment to our goal scoring dreams.
Now negative rep me because I disagree with the majority of you and I talked ill (which I didn't, cause I actually love the man, just think he isn't suited for a CM2) of Dembele.
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Noble is suspended so it`s all good.Then he elbows Noble in the nuts, gets sent off and we have no-one on the pitch. Aside from that it looks promising
As Rose and Verts are already on four yellows each and our next game, after the spammers,
is against Chelsea, we may have to consider a re-think on which players to use against the spammers.
I wouldn't mind using Wimmer & Davies (if available) with Verts and Rose on the bench or
we could use a back three again with Dier, Toby and Wimmer.
don't get this three at the back obsession.
I just want us to win, whatever team is put out.
Janssen doesn't deserve to be anywhere near our starting line up.He had his chance with Harry being out and blew it big time.Fat waste of space.
Yeah don't really want to play the spammers with 7 defensive players. (counting Wanyama and Dembele)don't get this three at the back obsession.