The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - The Groundhog Day Edition 22/23 June 2013
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hutchiniho
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And the award for the easiest cryptic of all time goes to...
Ahhhh, the easiest one!!! Still happy I worked it out.
And more happy that Villa is coming (still fingers crossed) to SpursPotential to play for a low level premiership team maybe but not us tryna be a consistent CL team. He wasn't even that good for sunderland. Ppl just agree with whatever the media say. (the 22 goal Torres is useless but the 2 goal Wellbeck is Englands messiah, I could go on) rose cant defend at all, benny is good defender but can try to much and stupid things. Sunderland were shocking defensively and rode was part of it. And they scored very little aswel and supposedly rose was there for his attacking ability. If he was that good he'd be the u21's first choice left back but he's not... I'll let rose do the talking for himself then see if your still saying the same wether he may at spurs or not... And plus Naughton is better than rose and looked good for us when given a run out. Out played walker for a few games mid season...
Blake Griffin
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he is .....
Snarfalicious
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I'm hoping these things aren't necessarily contingent upon a huge player shift.
It'd be fantastic to add 3 quality players but also bring on 2-3 high upside, cheaper targets to really build up the depth of the squad.
Guys like Lenny Nangis, Emre Can, Junior Malanda, Imoh Ezekiel, etc. Guys that could come at relatively good prices and could provide instant depth but huge potential in the future.
only1waddle
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1) read my post again, it was only 1 line of text, i made no such statement that he would be a top player..
2) no, no he didn't..
playboypaul
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Great post, Shea!!.. I'll just point out that nobody has compared him to Drogba or Henry, just pointed out that they didn't 'discover themselves' until they were years older than young Harry Kane is, so we'd be mad to give up on him whilst he's still young enough to not even count as a squad member. Let's see how the boy develops into a man first.
Thing is, we cant do that for all the young players who 'haven't found themselves yet', otherwise we would have loads of players on our books just in the vain hope that they might turn out to be a late bloomer. The club has to, at some point cut their losses and release whoever the player may be.
For example we have released Bostock. Now a few years ago he was the next big thing but we cant hold on to him forever hoping that he will one day fulfil his early promise. The coaches at the club will make a judgement call at some point as to if they think 'player x' is going to make it or not and when the decision is made, that player is dropped.
I would say that if a player buy the age of 20/21 isn't showing that he can be a first team player at our club, then there is only a very slim chance that that will change in the future. The example's of Drogba, et al are rare in the extreme.
Consider the amount of players who make it as pro, then think about how many of them 'didn't make it' until they were in their early twenties? A amazingly disproportionate number will have come down the normal route.
Off the top of my head, late bloomers would include, Drogba, Kevin Phillips, Ian Wright, that Italian full-back when they last won the world cup, and errrrr.....? And bear in mind we are talking about players to make it to the top of the game, not to the lower divisions.
Now I'm all for giving someone a chance but there has to be a line and I think Kane is fast approaching it.
Parkie
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It's why there should be some kind of B league available. Maybe for players under a certain age...
The problem is that all these promising youngsters get to clubs like Spurs and then don't make it within the narrow window afforded them and then have to drop down the leagues to get a game. In the "good ol' days" you played your way up to the top teams and learned your craft rather than coming in (like Bostock) with the expectation of making the first team 5 minutes later.
Having said that, I can't think of too many that we have released who have gone on to be world beaters... The last one who we nearly let go was a skinny little welsh lad we got in from Southampton...
Tricky
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Wasn't he their player of the year?
smudger
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young player i think.
kr1978
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That's the idea behind the next gen series I think
nedley
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mw828
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I thought "wasn't even that good for sunderland" was harsh. Saying he was horseshit is a bit too extreme nedders
Blackrat1299
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Anybody heard of a Lenny Nangis ? He is claiming that we along with the Toffees are interested in him.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/8789542
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/8789542
Ionman34
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OK, I stopped reading newspapers years ago, can't watch SKY as I'm in Oz and the only outlet to the 'meeja' I actually use is this site.
I do, however, subscribe to Foxtel Sports who sho every single Premiership game without a pay per view. Therefore, I have been able to watch an awful lot of Football. As I live in Rugby land (Queensland) believe me I need to get my Football fix so I watch virtually everything, Sunderland included.
I rate Rose. He's quick, strong, intelligent (mostly) with the ball, can pick a pass, can pick a cross and is a strong little bugger. His game has come on leaps and bounds in just one season so there's no reason to believe it won't improve further.
He reminds me of a raw Patrice Evra, tenacious with bundles of energy and a ruthless streak when required.
There are few, if any, fullbacks out there who are the finished product at his age, but then you could say that for just about any position on the pitch. Rose, for my Onions, shows immense promise and that is based on what I have seen with my own eyes this past season. Sunderland fans may have been served up some tripe this year but he wasn't part of that. They know their Football enough up there to know whether he is just the best of a bad bunch or if he has quality and they have described him as the latter.
You're very dismissive of positive opinion on him here, are you sure it's not you just following along with the negativity based on what you saw when he wore Lillywhite?
It's fairly evident you're no aficionado on him, based on your U21 comment, so maybe you are parroting popular negative opinion and should, maybe, watch him actually play? ;o)
Lilbaz
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Bloke in the pub probably wanted to be his agent and said that he could get him a move to us.
Parkie
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That was the point: Nextgen, Premier Reserve League, U21 League: we have the opportunity to give plenty of game time and we have the option to send them out on loan. If there is a hint of promise, we have ways to keep them on the books. I'm pretty sure that the only time a player is released is when there is 100% certainty that they are not the next big thing.
Having said that, Udinese (I think) apparently sent pretty much their entire reserve team to play for Watford last season - surely there is a club out there who would take a big chunk of our developing players and field them for a season - Dutch/German league perhaps. If we could send Coulibaly, Obika, Kane, etc to get some serious game time and have an element of control over it (by owning a chunk of the club, for instance) that could be a winner. Didn't ENIC use to own a host of clubs? As long as they are not eligible for the same Euro competitions, it should be OK to do.
Lilbaz
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Just to let you know, Australia has gone to war with Figi, Aliens have invaded Argentina and the pope has come out as gay.
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