The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend Edition 8/9th June 2013

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Of course not and I certainly wouldn't advocate doing that but Ade was always going to be risky (which doesn't mean I don't think he's a great player on form) and he alone wasn't and isn't sufficient enough. Defoe is best employed as a supersub and the rest of our strikers were too junior for the job. There have been several perfectly good and affordable strikers that we could have brought in who may have made the difference. To be honest, we've never really made up the shortfall after selling Keane, Crouch and Pav. The last really decent striker partnership that we had was Keane and Berbatov. I may well be wrong, but I think it would have made a difference. :)
This is the trouble. Pav may have made a difference. Bent for 17m may have. But they didn't make enough of a difference.

I think we could have spent more wisely on many occasions, we all have our likes and dislikes on players, but I am pragmatic enough to accept that on balance we risk what we can financially and on balance we are doing pretty well with our strategy of sustainable consistency/growth.

We now have Adebayor and Bale. Over the last two years they have been the most productive strikers we've seen in recent years.

You can grumble about form, but not the logic that assumed Adebayor would be much more productive, and if he had, in a team that predominately plays with one striker, was sound.
 

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I wish people like you would stop peddling the idea that "if only we'd made one more big signing we'd crack the big time". If all we've spent is 7.5 million net over the last 5 years, how come we aren't posting huge profits year after year ? Because guess what ? We aren't making them. We can only spend what we have. What if we'd pushed the boat our and bought Rossi for 18m and then he did his cruciate (like he did) or spent 25m on Carroll and then realised he was shit, or 25m on Torres only for him to hit the worst form of his life. What if we'd bought all three on consecutive years to compensate for the failure of each one prior, because we only needed one big signing ?

For a business who makes very small average profits over the last 5-10 years, that is the start of financial meltdown.
Easy answer to that. Lets not sign anyone ever again, they're all doomed to failiure
 

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This is the trouble. Pav may have made a difference. Bent for 17m may have. But they didn't make enough of a difference.

I think we could have spent more wisely on many occasions, we all have our likes and dislikes on players, but I am pragmatic enough to accept that on balance we risk what we can financially and on balance we are doing pretty well with our strategy of sustainable consistency/growth.

We now have Adebayor and Bale. Over the last two years they have been the most productive strikers we've seen in recent years.

You can grumble about form, but not the logic that assumed Adebayor would be much more productive, and if he had, in a team that predominately plays with one striker, was sound.
Actually many people's logic was that he would fail for us in his second season with his contract signed
 

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Would it be way off and optimistic in me thinking, that this season could be where we spent big without it impacting on the Stadium pot or stretchng us financially?

My thinking behind this is, with the huge money received with the TV Money, added to our usual transfer funds and funds from players we sell and ofload from the wage bill, we would be able to spend that little bit more without having to spend money from selling a star asset, or worry how this money could be financed etc

Then the following season, we would be back spending from the sales we receive.
 

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I wish people like you would stop peddling the idea that "if only we'd made one more big signing we'd crack the big time". If all we've spent is 7.5 million net over the last 5 years, how come we aren't posting huge profits year after year ? Because guess what ? We aren't making them. We can only spend what we have. What if we'd pushed the boat our and bought Rossi for 18m and then he did his cruciate (like he did) or spent 25m on Carroll and then realised he was shit, or 25m on Torres only for him to hit the worst form of his life. What if we'd bought all three on consecutive years to compensate for the failure of each one prior, because we only needed one big signing ?

For a business who makes very small average profits over the last 5-10 years, that is the start of financial meltdown.
Nah man, we should have hundreds of millions in the bank. Levy has stolen all the money*














*Source: Spurs Community Transfer/ITK forum, 2010-Present.
 

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Yep, I thought that as I wrote and I dismissed it. It reminded me of someone leaning over a gambler's shoulder in a casino and urging them to spend and spend again. It wasn't their money to gamble and as seductive as it may be and hard to resist, someone (the spender) has to draw the line, in spite of all the 'if onlys' from the vicarious gamblers at their shoulder....
Summer 2011 left us with a great squad. By January 2012 I would have been happy for us to have kept the squad the same, but instead we weakened our team.

Last summer we weakened the first team, and didn't really address the problem areas in January. We've been left unbalanced and it shows. I could count the number of genuinely good performnces last season on one hand.

By pushing that little bit further I mean taking a bit of a hit to leave the team balanced.
 

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Why is it necessarily a massive signing fee wise?? ive stated a 25-30 goals a season striker, doesnt necessarily have to be £30m player, someone with a very good scouting network would be able to find, which to be fare the top clubs have and more often than not get the best talent!!

i remember such a set up we adopted not so long ago, such a shame we only targeted the english players and didnt look further afield..i guess we are now tho if this Baldini geezer is coming in, or are we?? i dunno, but hey we will see.
 

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Why is it necessarily a massive signing fee wise?? ive stated a 25-30 goals a season striker, doesnt necessarily have to be £30m player, someone with a very good scouting network would be able to find, which to be fare the top clubs have and more often than not get the best talent!!

i remember such a set up we adopted not so long ago, such a shame we only targeted the english players and didnt look further afield..i guess we are now tho if this Baldini geezer is coming in, or are we?? i dunno, but hey we will see.
Because every other team on the planet is looking for a 25-30 goal a season striker for little money? They also have scouts and the players have agents who will be touting them out.

Or maybe i'm wrong and levy just wants us to do shit cause hes a sadist.
 

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Because every other team on the planet is looking for a 25-30 goal a season striker for little money? They also have scouts and the players have agents who will be touting them out.

Or maybe i'm wrong and levy just wants us to do shit cause hes a sadist.
lol, your getting narky!
Listen we all have different opinions, i just feel we could of taken advantage of a situation when are closest rivals were having indifferent seasons, we didnt..so we will see how next season goes.
 

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Summer 2011 left us with a great squad. By January 2012 I would have been happy for us to have kept the squad the same, but instead we weakened our team.

Last summer we weakened the first team, and didn't really address the problem areas in January. We've been left unbalanced and it shows. I could count the number of genuinely good performnces last season on one hand.

By pushing that little bit further I mean taking a bit of a hit to leave the team balanced.
I don't disagree in terms of us struggling at times though we have been hampered by injuries. Midfield we lost Modric but just because we failed to get Moutinho was not necessarily to do with us not offering enough. Other factors may have been in play. We could not have guessed either about Ade's problems and at one point most of us were happy with Defoe on fire. Anyway I guess shit happens and there's a tendency to get caught up in 20/20 hindsight (not saying this is the case with you though I fall into it!). But somewhere a line has to be drawn on spending or else we face ruin.
 

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I wish people like you would stop peddling the idea that "if only we'd made one more big signing we'd crack the big time". If all we've spent is 7.5 million net over the last 5 years, how come we aren't posting huge profits year after year ? Because guess what ? We aren't making them. We can only spend what we have. What if we'd pushed the boat our and bought Rossi for 18m and then he did his cruciate (like he did) or spent 25m on Carroll and then realised he was shit, or 25m on Torres only for him to hit the worst form of his life. What if we'd bought all three on consecutive years to compensate for the failure of each one prior, because we only needed one big signing ?

For a business who makes very small average profits over the last 5-10 years, that is the start of financial meltdown.
Well put, I don't see why others cant see this? We literally cannot spend beyond our means (No fuck-it-all sugar daddy), a substantial amount of our turn over goes towards the playing squad whilst also building a new training facility and financing a stadium.

Not sure where else Mr. Levy is meant to find the pennies, he has done a cracking job since taking over.
 

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This is the trouble. Pav may have made a difference. Bent for 17m may have. But they didn't make enough of a difference.

I think we could have spent more wisely on many occasions, we all have our likes and dislikes on players, but I am pragmatic enough to accept that on balance we risk what we can financially and on balance we are doing pretty well with our strategy of sustainable consistency/growth.

We now have Adebayor and Bale. Over the last two years they have been the most productive strikers we've seen in recent years.

You can grumble about form, but not the logic that assumed Adebayor would be much more productive, and if he had, in a team that predominately plays with one striker, was sound.
Not a lot to disagree with B-C. The jury is still out for me however on Adebayor and it will be until he reproduces the form of his first season with us (I hope he does). Other than that I still think it was unwise to rely on the two senior strikers we've got. Bale saved us; without him we'd have been a good bit further down the table and out of European football altogether.
 

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Well put, I don't see why others cant see this? We literally cannot spend beyond our means (No fuck-it-all sugar daddy), a substantial amount of our turn over goes towards the playing squad whilst also building a new training facility and financing a stadium.

Not sure where else Mr. Levy is meant to find the pennies, he has done a cracking job since taking over.
Well unless the Moutinho summer bid and the Leandro Jan bid were PR stunts there is money available to improve the squad, which we could have done in Jan but we failed with the Leandro bid lol and there doesn't seem to be any other strikers in world football as far as Spurs are concerned
 

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Fucks sake!

What's done is done, and cannot be undone.

Take some time out, go get a beer/a smoke/some fresh air/some sleep.

Tomorrow is almost here. And with it hopefully will come some ITK to stop all the sniping about what we could or should have done.(y)
 

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Well unless the Moutinho summer bid and the Leandro Jan bid were PR stunts there is money available to improve the squad, which we could have done in Jan but we failed with the Leandro bid lol and there doesn't seem to be any other strikers in world football as far as Spurs are concerned
Well the Mouts money ended up with Dembele after we signed him there was never going to be another CM come in, and the Leandro bid in Jan? I don't know, like you say it didn't go anywhere else and it would be unusual not to have a plan b,c or d if we were desperate for some form of striker cover so perhaps it was just a non-goer.

I bet football transfer business is just a complete shambles, so many different people and agenda's involved! :eek:
 

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Fucks sake!

What's done is done, and cannot be undone.

Take some time out, go get a beer/a smoke/some fresh air/some sleep.

Tomorrow is almost here. And with it hopefully will come some ITK to stop all the sniping about what we could or should have done.(y)
Don't you bring that sensible, sane and rational approach shit in 'ere RH! No one will understand what the fuck you're on about. ;)
 
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Dear John

Please accept my humble apology on behalf of our chairman who has clearly no ambition, as is evidenced by the shit we have watched and the decline in player quality that has occurred since he began his tenure at the helm of our club in comparison to the quality player his predecessors delivered in the years preceding.

Please also accept my grovelling apology on his behalf for the lack of ambition showed by investing 40m in the best training facility in the country and investing in a development policy and staff that has seen us produce outstanding young footballers at an academy that is the envy of teams like Arsenal now.

And please allow a snivelling apology on Mr Levy's behalf for having the lack of ambition to build a spanking 60k stadium so that we can try compete with the best in europe whilst complying with fair play regulations.

Yours apologetically on behalf of the chairman
BC
No apologies needed, Bus! Great post!
P.S. mate, if u have the chairman's ear, ask him to buy a striker!
 

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Well the Mouts money ended up with Dembele after we signed him there was never going to be another CM come in, and the Leandro bid in Jan? I don't know, like you say it didn't go anywhere else and it would be unusual not to have a plan b,c or d if we were desperate for some form of striker cover so perhaps it was just a non-goer.

I bet football transfer business is just a complete shambles, so many different people and agenda's involved! :eek:
How was the Mouts money spent on Dembele? Mouts was dragged out over and after deadline day, Dembele was already signed by then. I expect the money for Leandro was the Mouts money, either way we had money to strengthen the squad but failed for whatever reason
 

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Interesting Villa article - Villa last season salary is €11 million
http://www.marca.com/2013/06/08/en/football/barcelona/1370680288.html

Seems Barca have a clause to pay him a crazy 11million Euros on his last year (in previous years its 7.5m). Villa not ready to give it away. Barca might end up giving up the difference to get him out, given he is on last year of contract. I cant see us giving him the sign on fee and Levy would probably drag it to the last day and squeeze out something from Barca.
 

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How was the Mouts money spent on Dembele? Mouts was dragged out over and after deadline day, Dembele was already signed by then. I expect the money for Leandro was the Mouts money, either way we had money to strengthen the squad but failed for whatever reason
Maybe he meant Dempsey!
 
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