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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend Edition 8/9th June 2013

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arunspurs

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Even still Mouts was dragged out over the deadline so the money never got spent

Don't think Moutinho was PR stunt - as even Porto newspapers agreed that mistake was done at Porto's end . But had Levy given couple more millions, no reason why this would have dragged till 11PM
 

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Don't think Moutinho was PR stunt - as even Porto newspapers agreed that mistake was done at Porto's end . But had Levy given couple more millions, no reason why this would have dragged till 11PM
Eh? I was responding to someone saying we spent the money for him on Dembele, then someone else saying maybe he meant Dempsey, my point is both were signed before the Mouts deal collapsed so the money should still be available
 

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Don't think Moutinho was PR stunt - as even Porto newspapers agreed that mistake was done at Porto's end . But had Levy given couple more millions, no reason why this would have dragged till 11PM

All the stories were that Levy had paid up - both to Porto and increasing Moutinho's wages. Good player buit IMO a bad target at the price - not enough goalscoring.

But its pointless simply saying 'we should have signed that one extra player' - every fan believes just one more extra signing could have been possible. If all clubs got that 'one extra' signing it would probably all even out - and back to the situation we are in..

Fact is that in the last TW we did get in Lloris, Dembele and Vertonghem - players who have proved top class players in their first season.

Whilst signing Adebayor (a 30+ goals/assists player), nobody could have forseen the abysmal season he had - even the doom mongers saying he would have a bad 2nd season could npot have forseen the ghandful of goals/assists achived.

And who forecast Kaboul being out for the season and Sandro being out for half a season ?

And who forecast HR going AWOL for a couple of months the season before whilst an outplayed Chelsea lucking their way through games with Genoa (?), Barcelon and then Bayern to deny Spurs a CL place ?

Its not just down to transfers.
 

arunspurs

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All the stories were that Levy had paid up - both to Porto and increasing Moutinho's wages. Good player buit IMO a bad target at the price - not enough goalscoring.

But its pointless simply saying 'we should have signed that one extra player' - every fan believes just one more extra signing could have been possible. If all clubs got that 'one extra' signing it would probably all even out - and back to the situation we are in..

Fact is that in the last TW we did get in Lloris, Dembele and Vertonghem - players who have proved top class players in their first season.

Whilst signing Adebayor (a 30+ goals/assists player), nobody could have forseen the abysmal season he had - even the doom mongers saying he would have a bad 2nd season could npot have forseen the ghandful of goals/assists achived.

And who forecast Kaboul being out for the season and Sandro being out for half a season ?

And who forecast HR going AWOL for a couple of months the season before whilst an outplayed Chelsea lucking their way through games with Genoa (?), Barcelon and then Bayern to deny Spurs a CL place ?

Its not just down to transfers.


Agreed, it not just down to transfers - but when we knew Sandro & Kaboul were out of the season in January and given, Ade wont be available for few games due to AFCON, even a loan forward signing could have made the difference. I guess with what we had, we had done brilliantly over the season. In the end the difference was not just 1 point, but also a goal difference of 15 to top4.
 

arunspurs

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Our squad next season could be perfect for 3-5-2 with Kaboul-Dawson-Vertonghen at the back and Rose & Walker as wing backs. But I cannot see such a drastic change in tactics -probably will go towards 4-3-3

But we need to improve our set piece defending IMO. We were so poor end of the season. Vertonghen's one area where there is scope for improvement. Hope Kaboul & Sandro get fit soon & back into first XI.
 

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Don't know why people bang on about transfer fee's when wages are the real expenditure.
To get a £20m or £30m player they would be on at least £100k a week,
thats just under £21m on a 4 year contract. Thats £40m - £50m on just one player.
 

Bill_Oddie

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I didn't quite get this sentence, can you explain it to me BO.

Hi BC.
No hidden wisdom, unfortunately, just a slightly clunky and contrived way of making the point that Sherwood shouldn't be judged on the first team performance any more than AVB should be judged on the technical football in evidence in our Under-16 team.

Cheers
BO
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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Don't know why people bang on about transfer fee's when wages are the real expenditure.
To get a £20m or £30m player they would be on at least £100k a week,
thats just under £21m on a 4 year contract. Thats £40m - £50m on just one player.


Based on your example I'd say they are both real expenditures, in fact almost exactly the same amount. The difference being that the wages are effectively that sum in weekly installments over a four year time period rather than a lump sum. Levy always tries to pay transfer fees in installments for whatever reason (and you better believe there is a reason financially for him to do it that way) but even he hasn't yet convinced a club to take a transfer fee in weekly installments. So i'd say if the player was worth £21m and the wages also came to £21m, that the transfer fee is going to be the one with the bigger concern.
 

ButchCassidy

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Based on your example I'd say they are both real expenditures, in fact almost exactly the same amount. The difference being that the wages are effectively that sum in weekly installments over a four year time period rather than a lump sum. Levy always tries to pay transfer fees in installments for whatever reason (and you better believe there is a reason financially for him to do it that way) but even he hasn't yet convinced a club to take a transfer fee in weekly installments. So i'd say if the player was worth £21m and the wages also came to £21m, that the transfer fee is going to be the one with the bigger concern.


I think his point was that some people look at a £20m player as only £8m more than a £12m player, when the truth is the first player is probably on £100k/wk and the other may only be on £50k. Over a 4 year contract, the first player is actually £18m more expensive.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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I think his point was that some people look at a £20m player as only £8m more than a £12m player, when the truth is the first player is probably on £100k/wk and the other may only be on £50k. Over a 4 year contract, the first player is actually £18m more expensive.


Ah gotcha. Yeh the wages usually aren't taken into consideration by the fans it is true.
 

voxy28

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Don't know why people bang on about transfer fee's when wages are the real expenditure.
To get a £20m or £30m player they would be on at least £100k a week,
thats just under £21m on a 4 year contract. Thats £40m - £50m on just one player.

That will be like 10M per year for a top player which I find it acceptable. It is better to get a productive and expensive player than a cheap dud that sucks up the club resources and paying nothing in return.

Economic 101....
 

Lilbaz

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You'd rather a bentley rather than a lennon?

Just because you pay more for a player doesn't mean they're better.
 

voxy28

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You'd rather a bentley rather than a lennon?

Just because you pay more for a player doesn't mean their better.

I am talking about Modric.... but more so on AVB targets of Willian, Moutinho.

Bentley is the overated English talent which should not even be considered. LOL
 

Lilbaz

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Stadium itk in the stadium thread. Looks like the new stadium will be over 61k capacity. Thats from the kss architect that was working on it.
 
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