The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE DEADLINE

[Duke of Northumberland]

This isn't aimed at you but this is exactly the sort of bollocks that is the problem with us. If this young British CB is what we need, why would we try for him once and then not bother again? Either we need him or we don't. In reality we were being opportunist and it didn't come off.

Feels like we have no strategy. We've known we needed a CB since at least last summer if not longer (Sanchez/Davies haven't been nailed on first teamers in their whole career with us) yet we don't seem to target anyone, we just drift around from opportunity to opportunity and then run out of time and wait for the next window to do it all again. Identify a list of who we need and who is available and sign one of them, it isn't that hard!

The strategy is Fab’s “spinning plates”.

 

[Rob]

You sign stuff and then complete it by putting a date on it. I’ve got plenty of signed docs that never got completed.

How many times has your fax machine broke?

I'd assume nowadays everything is digitally signed/dated.

 

[Rob]

The meltdown over us releasing Matt fucking Doherty really has been something.

About time we started binning off the deadwood

The "meltdown" was over the incompetence of doing it. I doubt many people give a fuck that he's gone.

 

[nico97531]

He's not a club source. He's a fan who often criticises the club if you read back on his stuff.
I just hate it when fans moan about the club over things that didn't happen like ENIC taking cash out of club because it takes away from all the legitimate ammunition we have about Enic/ Levy. There's so much to criticise them about, we don't need to add in things that aren't accurate

The club isn’t going to respond with “oh shit” to the question is it

 

[Cel]

After signing legal papers? If that's what happened. Not sure it's as easy as you say to just call it off

Surely legal papers being signed is the last step?

I have no clue either, but wouldn't a simpler chain of events be:

• Madrid enquire about a loan.
• Press picks up on that, and know doc is available, find out we open to it, so run with it as they hear it - it's dealine day, and theres even less due dillegence on facts.
• We're in scramble mode, as we weren't really expecting to be able to move him on this late - unexpected opportunity.
• Comes to light as we are scrambling we can't do a loan
• We work it out with Doc and his agent as he really wants to go - it's a great opportunity for him, and he's now 3rd choice.
• Contract mutually terminated.

That's not a fuck up, as much is it is a team working under pressure, and getting a good result in less than 24 hours?

If they had tried to register a loan, and it got called off today, as UEFA embarrassingly tell us we've broken the rules, sure fry them, but that didn't happen.
If we were trying to buy someone, and it takes weeks longer than it should where we can control the timescales, I'm also fully agreed it's crap.
But this was a last minute reaction job.

 

[Japhet]

Surely we must have got a decent loan fee too or else we’ve pissed millions up the wall?

Whoever made this administrative cock up has to be getting the sack surely, they’ve cost the club millions of pounds?

The 'loan fee' most likely goes straight into Doherty's pocket to pay off his contract. We've shifted a 31 year old superfluous player and deleted 65k per week wages for the remainder of his contract which probably adds up to 4m at least. I don't think this is the disaster it's being portrayed as.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

That saying, he's brought us from a club that everyone thought was irrelevant, in the small stadium albeit iconic for Spurs supporters, to a club in regular European football recently, to the best stadium in possibly world football, with a world Class manager who previously wouldn't have looked a team like Tottenham, well positioned in the PL still in the CL and domestic cup..... I get this window wasn't what everyone wanted but ffs we've got our main transfer target we wanted and didn't waste money on a CB we maybe didn't want in June.

PS.
I want new owners too but not everything the baldy bastard has done is bad, he's put us in a place we're we can at least competitive and be in a position were people with money might want to buy the club!

Exactly. If you want to see what poor ownership looks like see Everton. And to a lesser extent all those clubs that are a similar size or regularly finished above us when ENIC took over - Aston Villa, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Newcastle, West Ham. With the exception of lottery winning Newcastle the rest of those clubs fans would have loved to have the relative success we’ve enjoyed over the last decade or so. None of them are anywhere near getting to a CL final or even appointing a manager the calibre of Conte.

 

[KingNick]

Exactly. If you want to see what poor ownership looks like see Everton. And to a lesser extent all those clubs that are a similar size or regularly finished above us when ENIC took over - Aston Villa, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Newcastle, West Ham. With the exception of lottery winning Newcastle the rest of those clubs fans would have loved to have the relative success we’ve enjoyed over the last decade or so. None of them are anywhere near getting to a CL final or even appointing a manager the calibre of Conte.

Everton had Ancelotti Tbf.

 

[Stoof]

How many times has your fax machine broke?

I'd assume nowadays everything is digitally signed/dated.

Yeah it is. DocuSign is a dream. Process is still the same though. We hold docs signed by people and then we add the dates in as the final “signatory”. Saves on the trees and on my sec having to sort and print final docs.

 

[Sandro30]

 

[KingNick]

Not so much bothered about if we lost money getting rid of Doc in the way we did (the club can obviously afford it) it’s more a case of was it cock up or not? If it was, how many other cock-ups might there have been over the last few windows because of people not understanding the rules in place at any given time? And Were they working on the assumption we couldn’t bring in more loans yesterday as has been suggested elsewhere in here?

 

[nico97531]

Surely legal papers being signed is the last step?

I have no clue either, but wouldn't a simpler chain of events be:

• Madrid enquire about a loan.
• Press picks up on that, and know doc is available, find out we open to it, so run with it as they hear it - it's dealine day, and theres even less due dillegence on facts.
• We're in scramble mode, as we weren't really expecting to be able to move him on this late - unexpected opportunity.
• Comes to light as we are scrambling we can't do a loan
• We work it out with Doc and his agent as he really wants to go - it's a great opportunity for him, and he's now 3rd choice.
• Contract mutually terminated.

That's not a fuck up, as much is it is a team working under pressure, and getting a good result in less than 24 hours?

If they had tried to register a loan, and it got called off today, as UEFA embarrassingly tell us we've broken the rules, sure fry them, but that didn't happen.
If we were trying to buy someone, and it takes weeks longer than it should where we can control the timescales, I'm also fully agreed it's crap.
But this was a last minute reaction job.

But that’s the thing, if there’s no fuck up involved then there shouldn’t be any scrambling, we should know the loan is not on the minute Madrid contacted us.

 

[Duke of Northumberland]

Can we have a Poll to find out if people think we've had good window or not? Maybe in the Post Mortem thread if there is one.

It would say:

• Levy out
• Qataris in

not sure our polls have much nuance atm

 

[Sandro30]

We tried for a young British CB in the last few days of the transfer window and talks were advanced. However the selling club were unable to find an adequate replacement in time so opted against selling in the January window. We may go back in for him in the summer, although other targets are likely to become available in the summer window who weren’t available in the Jan window.

Cheers for the info. Will be interesting to see how Peterborough do for the rest of the season, you'd think if they didn't come up they'd be under massive pressure to sell.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Cos Paul said so? I want a bit more evidence thanks

Sorry where is the evidence that the opposite is true (which most people have assumed is the case)?

The fact is no one has a fucking clue about the chain of events and all this outrage has frankly been quite bizarre.

 

[mr ashley]

We tried for a young British CB in the last few days of the transfer window and talks were advanced. However the selling club were unable to find an adequate replacement in time so opted against selling in the January window. We may go back in for him in the summer, although other targets are likely to become available in the summer window who weren’t available in the Jan window.

Not knocking the info because it’s always good to here that we are looking at the best talent in the lower leagues (hopefully this refers to Ronnie edwards)

But my god how many times have we heard this from the club?

unable to find a replacement in the time left…..
May go back in the summer…..
Other targets available possibly…..

 

[spursfan77]

The meltdown over us releasing Matt fucking Doherty really has been something.

About time we started binning off the deadwood

At a huge cost to the club?



Read this, it’s a huge fuck up.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

From that alone it's worth noting that the club's transfer policies have been so poor and their ability to sell players so bad that they have seven signings that cost them around £215million sitting out on loan at other clubs.

And that's where our problem lies, until we recoup some of that cash I think we are going to struggle

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Cold light of day time. Still a wasted opportunity window, Conte has been very clear about wanting more depth and more quality, we actually leave the window with less players than we started it.
Porro should be an upgrade on Doherty, and Spence was barely getting any minutes, so Porro/Emerson is better than Emerson/Doherty/Spence.
Gil wasn’t being trusted much, Danjuma offers both more experience and is physically better suited so will likely get more minutes. Now he plays predominantly off the left, where our shortfall is depth off the right (hence Zainolo links you’d assume), so hopefully he is capable of playing both sides, or else Moura is deemed fit enough to give Kulu a break from time to time.
Can’t help but feeling there were some other good deals to be done, though that we have missed, and it just feels their was perhaps too much uncertainty over the future to commit, be that Conte and not buying players to suit him when he may walk in the summer. Or, is it the looming QSI factor, are ENIC holding off any outlay knowing a takeover is on the horizon. Either way, we just have to get behind the players we do have now, and hope that’s enough to see us through to the summer. Albeit if ENIC stay in charge, I have no confidence of them investing then either.
Interesting bit about going after a young british CB, Trix (I think it was) did say yesterday we were looking to add a couple of U21’s, I think at that point Soonsup-Bell was already announced, so assumed it was Thierry Small and maybe Jobe Bellingham. I could have got onboard with that approach if Conte had been prepared to use them along with Devine etc.

 

[Cel]

But that’s the thing, if there’s no fuck up involved then there shouldn’t be any scrambling, we should know the loan is not on the minute Madrid contacted us.

Again, I don't know either - but how do you know how quickly we said a loan wasn't on? It's confirmation bias I guess, if you want it to be a bit shit, you'll see it as a bit shit, and assume we realised when the story broke.

As I said though, fuck up to me says mistake made that effects end result. Fuck up would have been waking up to an embarrassing story that the transfer had been cancelled, not catching a mistake (if there was one) and getting an good outcome anyway on the same day. I think it's an overraction.

I'm pretty neutral, 3rd choice FB on way too much money for the role. End result weighed up is probably a better outcome than a loan for me, so boring, squad building job done, 1 less player bloating the squad.

I don't feel much about it one way or the other, past that, tbh.