The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st August 2014

[Joeyboey]

Happy that JJ didn't mention Holtby as one that could be sold...

 

[Dirty Ewok]

JJ just now.

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   @Myiddo Depends on who leaves out of Sandro Capoue Paulinho Dembele & who we get the most money for ...... MS getting expensive #worrying
   
   
   
   
   11:32 AM - 1 Aug 2014 · Details

Had been thinking this may be the case.....as much as everyone wants to say Sandro is out the door, if Levy can make more money off of one of them i think it will be any of them, just a case of who has the best market.

 

[kitchen]

I would rather keep Sandro and sell one of Paulinho/Dembele. I imagine that despite a stinker of a world cup, Paulinho would still command the bigger fee.

Out of the 4 of them. It has to be Paulinho to go for me. He just doesn't work hard enough to validate him being on the pitch. He never bothers to run enough to get himself into good positions off the ball, and when the opposition have possession, he is very slow to track back and get his foot in.

 

[Indisguise]

Pssst... we're 66-1 for an outright win from most bookies if you think the Poch love is going to lead to good things...

 

[SpursDave88]

I would say Dembele is the most talented of the three although both Dembele and Sandro are both injury prone. Paulinho seems to be a limited footballer who also doesn't particularly care.

 

[sickboy_se]

Out of the 4 of them. It has to be Paulinho to go for me. He just doesn't work hard enough to validate him being on the pitch. He never bothers to run enough to get himself into good positions off the ball, and when the opposition have possession, he is very slow to track back and get his foot in.

Although I'll admit I'm not blown away by him, he did score 8+4 in 27 games last year and that's pretty decent, most of the goals IIRC by running off the ball and showing up in the right place. Eriksen as a comparison did 10+4 in 36. So for me it'd be Capoue, just don't see him getting enough time on the pitch to develop if MS comes in...but as others have stated, who'd get us the most money is probably the right question to ask.

 

[mill]

We should sell 2 imo, we really don't need Sandro, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho and Bentaleb, we'd never keep them all happy with no CL or stupid wages, I'd bet my left bollock one would be agitating for a move by Jan. 4 is enough especially when you add Mason, Veljkovic and Carroll plus Holtby could play there if desperate.

Edit: I mean sell 2 to buy Schneiderlin, I think we need to sell 1 even if we don't buy anyone, as well as sell or loan one of Mason/Carroll. I'd like to see onomah or Winks get a chance of the bench in the Europa group stage or early cup rounds at some point this season as well

 

[Keith Morris]

I think that despite his indifferent form, Paulinho is the player who will generate the biggest fee, he has the biggest profile and a club such as Chelsea or a Russian side would be all over a transfer. I could see paulinho and sandro both off

 

[spursintheblood]

Paulinho was bought after a long season and the Confed Cup. At the time we were all concerned about his fatigue levels. He then had a dodgy year with 2 managers not having a coherent plan and probably worrying that the physical nature of the EPL might injure him for the WC. IF he stays then I would like to see him have a better year, but not over Dembele who I think is a quality player.

 

[Gedson100]

I know Levy will strike deals if the money is right but I'd like to think we're not in a situation where any one of four could go.
Surely, Poch has a good idea of which players he is going to retain and who is available. Just doesn't make sense to sell 'whoever'. They each have different strengths and qualities. Mainly for contractual reasons, to me it still looks most likely Sandro will make way.

 

[brasil_spur]

Confused....why would MS's agent try to drum up the price....does he not want his client to leave. Drumming up the price would only drag this out further surely?

The agent won't get any fee unless MS is sold, i would imagine Saints will sell to us when we offer more, drumming up his price via the gooners link means that i turn Spurs will offer more (at least this in the thinking of Saints) and therefore it's in the agent's best interest to do this.

 

[Mikegold]

Although I'll admit I'm not blown away by him, he did score 8+4 in 27 games last year and that's pretty decent, most of the goals IIRC by running off the ball and showing up in the right place. Eriksen as a comparison did 10+4 in 36. So for me it'd be Capoue, just don't see him getting enough time on the pitch to develop if MS comes in...but as others have stated, who'd get us the most money is probably the right question to ask.

From what I've seen most people are assuming they'd start together.. Considering Sandro based on ITK seems to be the bottom of the list (except todays but that's only suggesting price rather than what we consider quality). It's then between 3, Paulinho has been shit, he's slow, and doesn't pressure (not writing him off, but saying out of Capoue/Dembele and him I personally can't see him in the 2 very well) and then you have Dembele vs Capoue.. Depends which Dembele really. If he's over his injuries. But it's easily plausible to see Capoue start.

 

[Cyspurs]

I would say Dembele is the most talented of the three although both Dembele and Sandro are both injury prone. Paulinho seems to be a limited footballer who also doesn't particularly care.

Disagree. For me Dembele is the one I want to see go. Granted he might be the best of all with the ball at his feet but can't pick a dangerous pass or shoot ! That for me is more important in that position rather than being able to keep hold of the ball!

 

[brasil_spur]

I would say Dembele is the most talented of the three although both Dembele and Sandro are both injury prone. Paulinho seems to be a limited footballer who also doesn't particularly care.

I take it you didn't watch him take control of Brazil's penalty huddle at the WC.

Paulinho is far from a player that doesn't care.

Ok so Paulinho wasn't sensational for us last season, but given the general turmoil at the club and the fact that it was his first season playing in any European league, let alone the PL, i think overall he did well.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Disagree. For me Dembele is the one I want to see go. Granted he might be the best of all with the ball at his feet but can't pick a dangerous pass or shoot ! That for me is more important in that position rather than being able to keep hold of the ball!

Not sure that's strictly true under Poch. I think a bit of possession football is needed in his team, albeit more direct than we were under AVB.

The issue for me with Dembele, and the reason we're chasing Schneiderlin, is that actually Dembele loses the ball far too often.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

While Paulinho had a poor season, he still contributed some goals. Dembele, on the other hand, had a poor season and contributed even less.

So if I had a choice out of them two, I'd sell Dembele.

Capoue shouldn't be anywhere near the exit door.

To be honest, I think we should just sell Sandro at the moment (if we are going to get Schneiderlin) and see if we should sell another midfielder in January.

 

[Grey Fox]

Pssst... we're 66-1 for an outright win from most bookies if you think the Poch love is going to lead to good things...

Bet Pinky is all over this, he has serious man love for Poch

 

[Cyspurs]

Although I love Sandro, I'd rather we sell him if he isn't going to be a regular starter. As such I believe both him and Dembele should go.

We then still have a plethora of midfielders if we get MS. Capoue, MS, Paulinho, Hotlby, Ericksen, Bentaleb, plus another couple of youngsters. That's over 5 players to fill 3 positions.

 

[Gedson100]

Not sure that's strictly true under Poch. I think a bit of possession football is needed in his team, albeit more direct than we were under AVB.

The issue for me with Dembele, and the reason we're chasing Schneiderlin, is that actually Dembele loses the ball far too often.

Really? One of Dembele's main strengths is ball retention!

 

[SteveH]

I can see Levy upping the bid yes, but he rightly won't play silly buggers over MS.

Neither Arsenal or ourselves are hard up for mids, so Morgan might find himself sending his agent up to merseyside to see if they might need a back-up player.............or Hull .........or be one very upset lad this season @ S'hampton