Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Day 11

[DarwinSpur]

Also remember Oliver was the fourth official in our match against Liverpool, the audio from whom mysteriously did not appear with all the rest after the fall out of the incorrect decision to disallow a valid goal.

A cynic may think Oliver was on a levelling up mission last night, and is he not from around Newcastle, one of our main rivals this season. Probably nothing, don't want to get Arteta off on one again.

This makes zero sense - Oliver could have easily sent Udogie off after 17 minutes and he didn't send Romero off until VAR told him too.

He was lenient on Chelsea but to suggest he was "on a mission" is just paranoid

 

[Trent Crimm]

So when players do a good job they shouldn't get praise because its their job to perform?

You've never had a performance appraisal at work or depending on your job, given one, or given praise or been given praise in work for doing your job well?

I don’t get appraisals. I give em. Now come here and give me a big X you big poppet.

 

[mcbridemartin]

This makes zero sense - Oliver could have easily sent Udogie off after 17 minutes and he didn't send Romero off until VAR told him too.

He was lenient on Chelsea but to suggest he was "on a mission" is just paranoid

He over relied on VAR for everything, maybe to justify its use after the previous shambles he was involved in. He did nothing to stop the niggly fails Chelsea players were doing from the outset, clearly designed to break up our momentum. No warnings, no cards, nothing. Apart from that he had a decent game.

 

[McFlash]

Exactly what I was dreading. A total disaster. This feels very much like the end of whatever this season was all about.

No mate, it's not the end, it's the beginning.

 

[ssamme]

Great game, very proud of the players and manager, confirmed we have our Tottenham back

Only thing missing from that game was Ange bringing Lamela on as a sub when we were down to 9 men…

 

[Dov67]

F****g hate Chelsea

 

[max cady]

My thoughts having watched the game again. The ref was prepared to allow cheatski away with the niggly fouls in the 1st 15 mins when we dominated them and scored 2 but one was disallowed (personal opinion when that close the g/scorer should get the benefit of the doubt). Destiny then lunges in and from then we lost our way. They score but we are very much still in the game until Romero's rush of blood and off he goes followed swiftly by Destiny still at this point I felt we were the better team and looked the likeliest to win. We played a high line with 9 men and lets remember we lost Mickey therefore both centre backs & our lefty back were off brought on 2 players in Dier (1st game of the season) and PEH that have had a bad time of it this season from us fans and they performed heroically until near the end when tiredness set in. Had Dier's goal (disallowed) & Sonny's & Benni's efforts gone in we would have seen a different ending. Cheatski won not because they played us off the park for 110 mins they won because we let ourselves down and tiredness. Also let's remember we were playing Cheatski not Salford or Walsall but Cheatski. Going down to 9 the onus was on them to destroy us but they didn't because of our heroics.

Let this sink in that we played the 2nd half with 9 men and without our recognised 1st team defenders all off the pitch. I say bravo for showing guts and determination. Would we have done that under Mou, Nuno or Conte probably not and today we would be lambasting the team for having a weak mentality. Bravo to Ange and his 9 warriors.

 

[neogenisis]

F****g hate Chelsea

That's the only thing that is really sticking in my throat still, it had to be them and had to be Poch.

 

[spurs mental]

had to be Poch

Every time you see him or hear him or think of him just think of these words. Its helping me a lot

 

[TOLBINY]

Oliver did not even spot the Sterling handball that 58,000 others managed to see without too much difficulty.

Oliver didn't spot the Romero red card / penalty either, perhaps he dislikes us and Chelsea?

My thoughts having watched the game again. The ref was prepared to allow cheatski away with the niggly fouls in the 1st 15 mins when we dominated them and scored 2 but one was disallowed (personal opinion when that close the g/scorer should get the benefit of the doubt). Destiny then lunges in and from then we lost our way. They score but we are very much still in the game until Romero's rush of blood and off he goes followed swiftly by Destiny still at this point I felt we were the better team and looked the likeliest to win. We played a high line with 9 men and lets remember we lost Mickey therefore both centre backs & our lefty back were off brought on 2 players in Dier (1st game of the season) and PEH that have had a bad time of it this season from us fans and they performed heroically until near the end when tiredness set in. Had Dier's goal (disallowed) & Sonny's & Benni's efforts gone in we would have seen a different ending. Cheatski won not because they played us off the park for 110 mins they won because we let ourselves down and tiredness. Also let's remember we were playing Cheatski not Salford or Walsall but Cheatski. Going down to 9 the onus was on them to destroy us but they didn't because of our heroics.

Let this sink in that we played the 2nd half with 9 men and without our recognised 1st team defenders all off the pitch. I say bravo for showing guts and determination. Would we have done that under Mou, Nuno or Conte probably not and today we would be lambasting the team for having a weak mentality. Bravo to Ange and his 9 warriors.

Liverpool were not lambasted for having a weak mentality by defending deep with 9 men, I don't get what the reason would be for lambasting us had we defended deeper. We've no idea what would have happened, may have got a 1-1 draw, may have got beat 6-1. Had we been losing when we went down to 9 I would understand (what's the point of protecting losing scoreline?), but we had a point and an undefeated record to preserve and I don't see how that high line was the right way of trying to do that.

 

[Vateri]

Why were we not given freekick on the VAR that gave red card to Romero? Sterling was massive theatrical against VDV. Romero episode was right after.

 

[Col_M]

Can someone assist with identifying the players involved here please?



I think it's Vic, Boss, Romero, Sarr, Kulu), Porto, Sarr, Udogie, BJ, Son

 

[JimmyG2]

On reflection:
I understand Ange's position.
The decision not to retreat, to stand firm even with only 9 men
was a marker, a line in the sand, our anti-Millwall moment.
Everybody loves us and we care.
It was a statement not for this match particularly but for the season and beyond.
And on the whole the fans approved and were very supportive even in defeat.
I don't think he thought we could win the game
with a very high line, speedy opponents and a slow central defence
but that wasn't the point.
He was stating in no uncertain terms that this is who we are,
no surrender.
He was prepared to sacrifice the points for a wider agenda.-
In fact it panned our exactly how logic and tactical analysis would suggest.
It was a closer run thing than one might imagine due to the heroic efforts of the team,
the general ineptitude of Chelsea and luck fate and VAR.
I still don't agree but I understand.
I admire Postocoglou, revel in our start to the season
and applaud the players who clearly would follow Ange through the Gates of Hell.
During the shorttime span of his reign he has achieved a great deal
turning round the Spursy tanker like a speedboat.
With just a little flexibility we might have taken a point or three
but I appreciate that that was not the point and we nearly did anyway..
In the general scheme of things an odd point probably won't matter
and if this Custer-like stand inspires the team and the fans
so be it.
.

 

[HildoSpur]

It is frustrating because we were so on top and in control of the match for those first 20 mins. Chelsea were on the ropes and if Son's goal isn't off side I honestly think we would have beaten Chelsea 3 or 4 nil. What happened after that is really disappointing and shows our lack of experience and weakness as a team currently which is the emotional side of the game. Some players lost their heads completely and lost discipline and that cost us. It is something we must learn from and hopefully the sports psychology team can do some work to support the players with this. We showed a lot of heart and resilience in that second half which was really encouraging but it was such a missed opportunity. The loss of VDV is a huge blow as well.

 

[tevezito]

Having watched the match with English speaking commentators on Monday, I've just watched the extended highlights with Argentine commentators and found the following interesting.

With Son's goal, they showed a freeze-frame from the near side where the two feet look level (think there's a pic of it on the previous page) and then they switched to the Far side and then drew the line from that side, even though you couldn't see Son's feet - what's that all about?

When they first showed the Romero tackle in normal speed, the commentator asked the analyst 'Anything to review there?' to which the answer was ;No, no, nothing.' and it wasn't until they showed it in slow motion and stopped it on the moment his foot lands on Enzo that they agree that 'maybe it's worth a VAR'. Even then, they showed it again at real speed and you can clearly see Romeros leg brushing up Enzo's as the latter moves into Romero. And Romero is looking at where the ball is going, he's not even looking at Enzo (not to mention there's no way he would try to do his national teammate).

It's only the still that looks dangerous, if you follow it through there's nothing dangerous about it at all - it's called football.

Also feel sorry for Destiny, he'd just done a great block when they were three on two and thought he could get the ball. Clearly didn't have time to think about anything else in that split second.

And Bents clearly didn't touch the ball for Dier's goal so no idea why that was disallowed. The VAR stuff they showed seem to suggest they weren't even looking at it, just confirming the position of the players.

 

[montylynch]

 

[Cinemattis]

Sooo … any news on the replay date yet?

 

[Marauder]

It is frustrating because we were so on top and in control of the match for those first 20 mins. Chelsea were on the ropes and if Son's goal isn't off side I honestly think we would have beaten Chelsea 3 or 4 nil. What happened after that is really disappointing and shows our lack of experience and weakness as a team currently which is the emotional side of the game. Some players lost their heads completely and lost discipline and that cost us. It is something we must learn from and hopefully the sports psychology team can do some work to support the players with this. We showed a lot of heart and resilience in that second half which was really encouraging but it was such a missed opportunity. The loss of VDV is a huge blow as well.

I still can't comprehend what happened - "lost their heads completely" you say but why?? There was no need! As soon as Son's goal was disallowed we suddenly became unrecognisable. And with no need!! We were still 1 nil up, still with 11 men, still in control, still the crowd behind us, Ch£l$ki were nowhere, everything was going for us! I mean WTF?! If we just continued playing as we had been until then we would have ended up battering them 3 or 4 nil.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED AFTER SON'S GOAL WAS DISALLOWED AND WHY?? (I mean in that period from Son's goal being disallowed up to Romero's red card). After the red card the rest was history. But I still can't get my head around that implosion spell.

 

[Gilzeanking]

(I mean in that period from Son's goal being disallowed up to Romero's red card). After the red card the rest was history. But I still can't get my head around that implosion spell.

The bit you've left out of this...is that there were 2 teams playing.

Chelsea got their press together after a shaky start.

 

[1882andallthat]

The bit you've left out of this...is that there were 2 teams playing.

Chelsea got their press together after a shaky start.

I get that there were two teams playing and that Chelsea upped their game and the press, but it was if we went into full scale panic mode, lashing out at literally everything whilst chasing round like headless chickens. Panic and fear spread though us like wildfire as if the players had rockets literally shoved right up our arses right upto and including the moment of the penalty and sending off kicked right in big time. It was like watching the immediate after effects of cats going crazy on bloody catnip.

We've seen teams put together far better and more sustained pressure than Chelsea have against us this season and I haven't seen us react that way. We were still 1-0 up, it wasn't like it was the dying minutes of the game in a major cup final where we were literally doing everything to stop a goal going in. It just needed a few calm heads to weather that bit of a Chelsea storm and cool it down a few notches during that spell.

It was reminiscent of that period in the first half away at Arsenal where they were battering us after going 1-0 up and were camped right on the edge of the area where the bows threatened to break but didn't and we weathered the onslaught and came out of it stronger, on the occasion we couldn't quite manage it and its clearly proven to be one of the most costliest periods of football this season that has had such a ripple effect that could well amd truly go on to define what we achieve this season with the casualties we've incurred in having really key players unavailable, some for longer than others.

It's now really put the microscope on the fringe players and understudy players to step up big time....