Match Threads Chelsea vs Spurs

[WiganSpur]

Bentancur is a top tier player and should be the first name on our midfield team sheet. Not sure what he was doing on the bench today.

If you want to play good pass and move football then lo celso is the best midfield choice to play alongside him. The opponent is not getting the ball off those two and they will move the ball quickly enough to create chances all day.

However, I think we've seen them play together for hardly any time across the whole season. It doesn't make sense... When they did play together vs villa before bentancur got injured it was magic and villa were chasing shadows.

It's a toss up of Sarr and bissouma for the 3rd midfield slot based on form.

The team that started today just didn't have enough ball retention ability and that let Chelsea get at us.

And sort out the set pieces ffs.

I don’t see much point in playing Lo Celso I don’t think he’s got a long term future here. Better to give Donley a run.

Play Bentancur at 6 and rotate Donley and Maddison as well as Sarr and Bissouma at number 8.

 

[jolsnogross]

The age old mentality issue is what blights our club. The lack of fight and lack of basic will to win, will to keep a clean sheet, will to get in dangerous positions is so frustrating and yet so commonplace. They all revert to a fear of losing possession rather than a determination to cut through and make a difference.

Calls for Ange to go are way too premature, but he can't just tinker with the squad this summer - there's got to be some higher profile departures that generate funds and demonstrate who's in charge. If we keep tinkering, we'll get nowhere.

Having said that, he's had a fair wedge to use to bring guys in. He has to make sure players like VdV and Johnson don't become infected with the lack of determination that appears to afflict most Spurs players over time.

 

[mattspur1986]

That's the spirit. Might as well just give up then I guess.

We’ve all seen this boring movie before, how many times have w emailed to back a manager? Instead of getting rid of desdwood? We seem to duno
The manager instead of the dross we’re paying hundreds of thousands of pounds per week!

id keep probably 5, 6 at a lush of this squad and fuck the rest of em
Into orbit

 

[DenverSpur]

A game that highlights our failings.

We don’t turn up for the first 45 minutes! In that first half VDV, especially, and maybe Romero put a shift in, the midfield was nonexistent and up front only Johnson made any effort.

Continually give away needless free kicks in our final third. Both their goals came from free kicks. I don’t think Vicario made a save from open play.

Amateur defending at set pieces. For the first goal 3 defenders in the middle of the defensive line are marking nobody but Johnson at the end of the line is left to mark 3 opponents, one of whom scores. For the second it’s criminal that Jackson gets to the rebound well before any of our players.Watch Son he stops and watches!

Another derby game where the other lot want it more than us. Chelsea are always up for games against us, so are WH. Arsenal maybe slightly less so but are always more determined and resilient than we are in our derbies.

Once again with something to play for; 4th place, we falter.

We’ve all seen these characteristics time and time again. It signifies a club, not just a team, that lack desire, focus, resilience, conviction, belief, staying power, mental toughness, fight and above all character. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember and I just don’t see it ever changing.

Another embarrassing night in the annals of embarrassing Tottenham performances.

 

[DenverSpur]

Nobody is the one

Not at this club they won’t be.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Sho

Who picks the Captains, what's the criteria? We've had kane, Lloris and Sonny none are Captain material, perhaps we never had any Captain material.

Should be Romero.

No brainer.

 

[DannyNZ]

I don’t see much point in playing Lo Celso I don’t think he’s got a long term future here. Better to give Donley a run.

Play Bentancur at 6 and rotate Donley and Maddison as well as Sarr and Bissouma at number 8.

The point would be to play better football and get points, GLC is a contracted player with just over a year of his contract to run. I actually find it frustrating seeing GLC not given opportunities because he is a better footballer with more ticker than what we are being subjected to.

 

[StockSpur]

A game that highlights our failings.

We don’t turn up for the first 45 minutes! In that first half VDV, especially, and maybe Romero put a shift in, the midfield was nonexistent and up front only Johnson made any effort.

Continually give away needless free kicks in our final third. Both their goals came from free kicks. I don’t think Vicario made a save from open play.

Amateur defending at set pieces. For the first goal 3 defenders in the middle of the defensive line are marking nobody but Johnson at the end of the line is left to mark 3 opponents, one of whom scores. For the second it’s criminal that Jackson gets to the rebound well before any of our players.Watch Son he stops and watches!

Another derby game where the other lot want it more than us. Chelsea are always up for games against us, so are WH. Arsenal maybe slightly less so but are always more determined and resilient than we are in our derbies.

Once again with something to play for; 4th place, we falter.

We’ve all seen these characteristics time and time again. It signifies a club, not just a team, that lack desire, focus, resilience, conviction, belief, staying power, mental toughness, fight and above all character. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember and I just don’t see it ever changing.

Another embarrassing night in the annals of embarrassing Tottenham performances.

but weve got gocarts!

 

[Pistols At Dawn]

I think I’ve had it with this season. Let the team know! I’m sure that’ll motivate them to really give it their all!

See you in September!

 

[Gambler]

Take away the 1st 10 games - where are we in the league

Before last night, 10th

 

[Whitey]

Problem for Ange is you don’t get time in the PL even if you are trying to build something. Much more of this and it will be a case of he is out of his depth.

Losing is one thing but this team looks completely devoid of any passion or desire or fight. Lose against Liverpool and City and he might be under real pressure which seems incredible give.n the start to the season.

But tonight was just appalling and something’s clearly not right.

For my sanity, I'm going with the players now slip into the "Nothing to play for" "end if season vibe" because they can't relate to what the fans want.... Not sure ECL was ever really a target this year.... And players and manger all doing there best not to over achieve in year 1.... But will next season this defeat should have hurt, same a the weekend.... But neither did... Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing

 

[Mr Pink]

When are we ever going to show some fucking minerals in these types of games

 

[sparx100]

The players are all so timid and show that some are just not good enough. Romero is showing leadership, VDV delights in last ditch positions with his pace but I am not fully sold on his actual defensive ability. We have only had 1 clean sheet in 20+ games. We are not giving ourselves a chance as we know we need to score at least 2 to get 3 points in every game.

The full backs are not contributing going forward, clutter the midfield and technically are not good defensively.

In midfield we don't have a player who likes to put a foot in and we are bereft of confidence so we continually see side to side and passing backwards. Bissouma looks lazy, Sarr has energy but seems to have lost the ability to pass, Hojberg is so limited, Maddison is not dictating the game or getting involved in the final third and Bentancur is just meh. Ange has tried all combinations and noone is grabbing the chance. I even wanted Hojbjerg to start against Arsenal, never fucking again - I have learnt my lesson.

Up front we have Son who contributes nothing in build up and is going through his phase of not being able to control the ball at all, Johnson still lacks confidence, Richy is still patchy and Kulu is one dimensional in that you always know what he is going to do.

The whole team is bereft of confidence and cannot play the style in which Ange wants them to play. His style of play is all about being possession based (we usually do hold more possession than the opposition but not in dangerous areas) composed on the ball and playing through the lines (definitely not as i question the players ability to do so) and being clinical in the final third (definitely not). This impacts our risk strategy of leaving 2 centre backs to deal with counters from decent premier league teams and a clear reliance on the pace of VDV to bail us out.

We have conceded from 15 set pieces. Vicario is not blameless here, he needs to be more dominant and physically and needs to improve but the team need to defend better overall. Zonal is absolute shit, noone does it and thats for a reason.

We seem to be a team lacking an ability to play Ange's way. Why? Are they not bought into it? Not good enough? is Ange just too fucking stubborn to alter things? Is Ange still learning the Premier league and what he can't get away with or is he just not good enough? I genuinely don't know but it is too early to pull the trigger. He needs some time to assess the season and the team (you could argue that we need a back up keeper, full back, 2 number 6's, and potentially a striker and two wingers) but he is going to need to compromise at some point in my opinion.

 

[shoggy33]

Ange out. The fall off is unaccusable. The tactics are lame and we've been figured out. The lineup choices are a joke and the subs today even more so. Nice guy but fear he can't take us to that next level which is required for a club of our stature. Can't be asked to watch any more games this season. You can say we need a squad refresh and I agree but he just simply isn't getting the best out of the players we have since mid-season. I hate the aspect of changing managers every season but the second half of the season has shown me enough to believe he isn't cut out to lead us to the promise land. I'm a bit emotional after the past two games so I could be overreacting but at this moment I fear he isn't the answer.

You may be right in the end but it's too early to call for his head. It has turned into a distinctly unimpressive season, but if we sack every manager after one season we will never get anywhere. There are plenty of managers throughout history who have struggled in their first year and gone on to do brilliantly, sadly Arteta looks like he may be an example of that. For me he gets a good chunk of next season before we consider making a change.

 

[spurmin]

You may be right in the end but it's too early to call for his head. It has turned into a distinctly unimpressive season, but if we sack every manager after one season we will never get anywhere. There are plenty of managers throughout history who have struggled in their first year and gone on to do brilliantly, sadly Arteta looks like he may be an example of that. For me he gets a good chunk of next season before we consider making a change.

1 season and a good chunk of another. You’re saying we will never get anywhere if we sack a manager after one season. A complete rebuild takes more than one and a chunk.
At some point you just have to stick.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Lo Celso? I won't be at all sorry to see him go. I remember some of the half arsed lackadaisical dross he served up in the past but as is normal on here, players become better for not playing for a while, he can have all the nice five minute cameos he likes to fool people with, but he'll revert to type soon enough. It just hasn't worked out for him here.

I agree in that I don’t think building the team around him is feasible at this point. But it was clear before he joined that he wasn’t a player that was ever going to work in a defensive system. He is a player that suits quick touch possession football, not deep line counter attacking football. Something we have primarily been employing for the few seasons now. Despite that he actually looked good for Jose for a time until he started getting played on the wing.

If his attitude was ever at fault in the past it wasn’t at the start and he wasn’t the only one under our managers between the end of Poch to Conte to be disgruntled. By Conte leaving pretty much everyone was rebelling. I mean Cuti who had only just joined said was implying he’d leave if Conte stayed.

Some players just don’t suit certain systems and he has played well all season under attack minded possession based Ange save for one half against Fulham. There is little surprise in that imo, his skill set was always going to suit the system. In the starts he’s been given including the one vs City he played very well. That wasn’t a 5 min cameo.

We all know he’s probably off this summer due to his contract but if we are going to look at his impact this season even from a statistical stand point he has been impressive. Considering the level of some of our performers in midfield he’s certainly done enough to warrant more minutes and every time he’s been on the pitch our general ball movement in midfield has greatly improved. That’s because he moves the ball swiftly, something that only Bentancur does. We need more of that in midfield. More one or two touch passers rather than 5 or 6 touch passers that slow the play down.

He isn’t Jesus and it is easy to get into the mindset that he is the answer to all our problems, which he isn’t. No one player is. And it’s quite possible that if he starts on Sunday, which he won’t, he might struggle or fail to make an impact like the rest of the squad currently are. But I think he has done enough in the minutes he’s had to be given a chance.

 

[spurmin]

Lo Celso? I won't be at all sorry to see him go. I remember some of the half arsed lackadaisical dross he served up in the past but as is normal on here, players become better for not playing for a while, he can have all the nice five minute cameos he likes to fool people with, but he'll revert to type soon enough. It just hasn't worked out for him here.

He must be doing something wrong just to get the odd 10 minutes now and then.

 

[GutBucket]

You may be right in the end but it's too early to call for his head. It has turned into a distinctly unimpressive season, but if we sack every manager after one season we will never get anywhere. There are plenty of managers throughout history who have struggled in their first year and gone on to do brilliantly, sadly Arteta looks like he may be an example of that. For me he gets a good chunk of next season before we consider making a change.

Arteta won FA Cup in his first season. And he got the job late in December and didn't have preseason with the team and didn't buy anyone in Summer to suit his system and wasn't able to get rid of anyone. Ange deserves more time, but we need to see progress next season and not just for a month or two. I believe we will.

 

[kitchen]

I don’t see much point in playing Lo Celso I don’t think he’s got a long term future here. Better to give Donley a run.

Play Bentancur at 6 and rotate Donley and Maddison as well as Sarr and Bissouma at number 8.

I don't understand why lo celso hasn't got a long term future... unless he is refusing a contract. He's a baller and perfectly suited to Ange's style of play.

Bentancur is not the answer at 6 imo. He's an elite 8 but lacks the destroyer ability of an elite 6 from what I've seen. We need an elite 6 to play with him really.

He's press resistant and has great ability to break the lines, but he seems better at winning the ball on the press than sitting back, sensing danger and mopping up. Maybe I'm wrong and we need to give him more time there as a lot of his game points to him being a Busquets-esque number 6.

 

[RuskyM]

I don't understand why lo celso hasn't got a long term future... unless he is refusing a contract. He's a baller and perfectly suited to Ange's style of play.

Bentancur is not the answer at 6 imo. He's an elite 8 but lacks the destroyer ability of an elite 6 from what I've seen. We need an elite 6 to play with him really.

He's press resistant and has great ability to break the lines, but he seems better at winning the ball on the press than sitting back, sensing danger and mopping up. Maybe I'm wrong and we need to give him more time there as a lot of his game points to him being a Busquets-esque number 6.

This is his fifth season contracted to us and he's played 41 league games.