Jose Mourinho

[Trotter]

Find me a progressive manager who can manage Levy.

Pochettino certainly couldn't.

To be honest, this is where I am hoping Trevor Birch comes into play down the line Levy moving more to property side of us (actually Levy selling up would be preferable), and Birch gets given the whole football budget and having the day to day running of the football side of the club to manage.

 

[Beni]

Pro Mourinho Agendas:
4th Spot in the league had league started when he was appointed, above Arsenal, Chelsea.
4th Spot in the league had season started after project restart.
All, whilst we had a number of injuries to key players.
Turned around a team that had not won away from home all year to top 4 form team.
Like the Man U of old ala Ferguson who were often praised for winning ugly or not playing well
1st season in charge, and came in half way through
Not able to purchase players to stamp his own team

Negative Mourinho Agendas:
Yeah, but we had already played xyz away/home
All club get injuries, deal with it
Other clubs injuries are just part of the parcel of the game, however, our injuries are bad management
Manager bounce
We are winning but playing poor, this is Tottenham
He has a squad of talented players already...Ahhh no retract retract, its Levys fault, he doesn't buy decent players. Which agenda do I want to follow with, Mourinho/Levy

But, but, but, but... will go on and on, to fit whatever agenda you want to back.

1 game in against a decent Everton team who have spent a lot of money, on decent players against ours who looked a bit off pace due to whatever you want to call it...Pro-Mourinho - Lack of Pre-Season due to injury/players in quarantine, or Non-Pro Mourinho, tactics rubbish, our team is rubbish, Mourinho not good enough.

Personally, I am not about to slit my wrist after one narrow defeat against a good side, and prepared to see how we do once window has shut before deciding how good our season could be. Do not see the point in some people making it their primary objective to get worked up over it all and making sure every post posted, is negative just to be clear that we all know their views.

 

[Maxtremist]

Pro Mourinho Agendas:
4th Spot in the league had league started when he was appointed, above Arsenal, Chelsea.
4th Spot in the league had season started after project restart.
All, whilst we had a number of injuries to key players.
Turned around a team that had not won away from home all year to top 4 form team.
Like the Man U of old ala Ferguson who were often praised for winning ugly or not playing well
1st season in charge, and came in half way through
Not able to purchase players to stamp his own team

Negative Mourinho Agendas:
Yeah, but we had already played xyz away/home
All club get injuries, deal with it
Other clubs injuries are just part of the parcel of the game, however, our injuries are bad management
Manager bounce
We are winning but playing poor, this is Tottenham
He has a squad of talented players already...Ahhh no retract retract, its Levys fault, he doesn't buy decent players. Which agenda do I want to follow with, Mourinho/Levy

But, but, but, but... will go on and on, to fit whatever agenda you want to back.

1 game in against a decent Everton team who have spent a lot of money, on decent players against ours who looked a bit off pace due to whatever you want to call it...Pro-Mourinho - Lack of Pre-Season due to injury/players in quarantine, or Non-Pro Mourinho, tactics rubbish, our team is rubbish, Mourinho not good enough.

Personally, I am not about to slit my wrist after one narrow defeat against a good side, and prepared to see how we do once window has shut before deciding how good our season could be. Do not see the point in some people making it their primary objective to get worked up over it all and making sure every post posted, is negative just to be clear that we all know their views.

Fully in agreement with you here but most specifically this.
Did we play well Sunday? No. So not the most inspiring but MY GOD you'd think we got beat 5-0 at home the way so many have said, and not that we lost 1-0 to Everton.

 

[RikkiRocket]

JM will only leave if JM gets a better gig. Right now levy is head over heels / full on man crush with him.

 

[Wig]

This is spot on. Mourinho doesn't even have tactics. I've never seen a team so strangled by a manager. It honestly breaks my heart to see our team playing like this. I know we weren't great towards the end under poch but we still had something about us at times. Jose has literally reduced us to nothing in less than a year.

I want him to leave and I am wondering whether I can actually watch us play anymore.

I just cannot take it for much longer.

Whilst it also breaks my heart to see the team playing like this, for you to say that Mourinho doesn't have tactics is completely ludicrous. Unfortunately the team is suffering from lack of form and fitness, and it's clear to me our biggest problem is in midfield where we have no control with or without possession. Right now with Lo Celso out injured and Ndombele still not up to full speed we simply cannot link with the forwards to create enough good chances. Winks and Sissoko aren't effective enough. If we can get that first goal somehow (and we had chances with Dele and Doherty against Everton) then the opposing teams open up and that plays more into our counter-attacking strength to score more. Once again it's not the tactics at fault but the limited players and player form that is hindering us, and the fault for that lies directly with the board for not reinvesting in the squad when the likes of Dembele and Eriksen were on the way out.

 

[jimbo]

Do you think though that Mourinho is the right manager to be in charge of such a rebuild though, because I think he is the total opposite to what is needed, it requires a progressive manager to do that, otherwise we could end up with a team of functional workhorses and be like Burnley.

I don't think it matters. Not in a rude way, just that if Mourinho succeeds we won't need the kind of root-and-branch rebuild we're taking about, and if we do need that kind of rebuild then Mourinho won't be around as he'll have failed and gone.

Baring a disaster, he'll get this season. If we haven't turned our fortunes around some and have an equal or worse season to last year then he will leave. For all Levy's mancrush he was sensible enough to only give him a 3-year deal and if the players (the main asset) push for it hard enough en masse then he'll have little choice.

But if it is just going to be the same old story on player recruitment and off-field issues then it doesn't matter who the manager is. Here's to hoping Mr Birch has a positive impact, either in taking things off Levy's plate or in overseeing the transition to a new owner. Part of me wonders if the Mourinho appointment was a last throw of the dice by Levy to try and win a major trophy before he departs.

 

[ILS]

People are putting too much emphasis on his comments about the alleged 'lazy press' in the first half just to justify and deflect a ridiculous tactical substitution that killed us. It was 0-0 at half time and we had created the better chances for both ourselves and Everton.

The biggest issue for me was how we reacted after the goal went in. We created zilch and had no clear plan or strategy to try and get back in the game. Not even as basic as the good old days of pulling Callum Davenport off the bench and chucking him upfront.

Let's hope we turn up on Sunday at St Mary's where we haven't had the best of times of the years and Ings movement is going to give our centre halves nightmares otherwise this place is going to go in complete meltdown mode.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I hate how he builds up the such few chances we do have and calls them amazing and incredible it just puts so much pressure on us to take our chances and i know its his style of play but honestly defending the whole game with 25 % posession and creating just 1-2 meaningful chances a match will not win us many games in this day and age it really won't.

I'll put it out there now, without a baleesque signing who can win games on his own and ndombele stepping up or signing a creative mid and a striker we will not finish top 6 never mind top4.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I thought he got his substitutions wrong. In no way can bringing in Sissoko when he did be the right call, the game was 50/50. We were lacking a link between defence and attack so he takes off Dele and brings on Sissoko who is never going to do that. To rectify it on goes Bergwijn, the problem is he can’t link defence and attack.

I thought the players looked like they lacked a preseason, which they did, and just didn’t want to win it. We need a lift like they have had with James

Mourinho probably wouldn’t have got himself in the situation in the first place by signing a player who can’t pass. We can blame the Managers but don’t buy mid table players.

 

[Essex Spur]

I don't like the style of football.

I don't like winning playing this way.

I don't like losing playing this way.

In my opinion there is more to football than just winning.

Winning is the most important thing now but style would be nice

 

[kaz Hirai]

If form doesn't improve things could get weird pretty much the same time poch was sacked

Away to Southampton
Then Newcastle who looked decent at the weekend.
Then Man United

Then International break
No wins from that bunch and things get sweaty for Levy. Massively helps there's no fans in the stadiums though.

There's a mini meltdown over potential das boot or sloth signing. But I'd rather we pay a couple mill for a big lump of meat like that and spend all other savings on a HQ central midfielder who is comfortable on the ball whose only thought is to get moves started ( I'm aware that should be ndombele in reality but doesn't look likely at least under Jose)

 

[walworthyid]

Yes. I would.

Good luck to you. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[aRTy]

I don't post often and am more of a lurker as there's far more interesting and knowledgrable on here and it's just easier to read what they have to say, but i feel like all these issues are a mix of all parties involved.

We know from the documentary that Mourinho, is asking for them to push, be aggressive and not afraid to play, only for them to go out and do none of it. At the same time he probably isn't helping himself when we clearly need some creativity or something different but perserveres with the same thing. Others had suggested maybe he should try something different, whether that's trying 433 and giving Ndombele, some protection and a run of games to see if he does perform, or benching lucas for a few games to see if Bergwijn, contributes more than the usual running passed a few players and into a dead end because you didn't get your head up. And then we all know the frustrations people have with Levy, and the upper management.


Back to the shadows I go.

 

[Shadydan]

I'll never understand the Sissoko sub and then the position he put him in on the pitch.

Since this happened we are after Bale and Reguilon, complete sabotage from Mourinho scared the shit out of Levy

 

[Metalhead]

If form doesn't improve things could get weird pretty much the same time poch was sacked

Away to Southampton
Then Newcastle who looked decent at the weekend.
Then Man United

Then International break
No wins from that bunch and things get sweaty for Levy. Massively helps there's no fans in the stadiums though.

There's a mini meltdown over potential das boot or sloth signing. But I'd rather we pay a couple mill for a big lump of meat like that and spend all other savings on a HQ central midfielder who is comfortable on the ball whose only thought is to get moves started ( I'm aware that should be ndombele in reality but doesn't look likely at least under Jose)

Without more investment, I think that we will find ourselves in a similar situation over and over.

 

[Spurs2020]

i dislike mourinho as much as anyone.. but ben davies taking a shot back after mourinho said they played lazy was bs.. after that cross he hit that almost turned into a goal i wouldn't be speaking if i was him.. good thing i ain't the manager he would be on the first bus out of tottenham with a open transfer window after his comments haha.

 

[ultimateloner]

Mourinho is a good manager but he isn't faultless. It's easy to ask your players to do this and that: be brave, be aggressive etc etc, but how? You would have to be an idiot as a Spurs player to think that you can/will win if you go to any of the big 6, judging from recent performances.

You need to coach the players to play in a way that would make them belief. I think JM knows this, and sometimes he uses the media to get away from his responsibilities when this isn't matched.

The Sissoko/Dele was a tactical error. He should own this. We conceded from a freekick, not from Everton exploiting us from open play.

I think until Mourinho shows that he can coach us into playing in a variety of ways (not just long ball to the forwards to counter-attack) I won't be convinced. Good manager yes, talks a good game yes, makes us defensively better yes, but improving us? No.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

i dislike mourinho as much as anyone.. but ben davies taking a shot back after mourinho said they played lazy was bs.. after that cross he hit that almost turned into a goal i wouldn't be speaking if i was him.. good thing i ain't the manager he would be on the first bus out of tottenham with a open transfer window after his comments haha.

Really I thought he just said that personally he tried hard nothing too bad, he’s hardly going to dig his teammates out to the media is he,

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I hate how he builds up the such few chances we do have and calls them amazing and incredible it just puts so much pressure on us to take our chances and i know its his style of play but honestly defending the whole game with 25 % posession and creating just 1-2 meaningful chances a match will not win us many games in this day and age it really won't.

I'll put it out there now, without a baleesque signing who can win games on his own and ndombele stepping up or signing a creative mid and a striker we will not finish top 6 never mind top4.

This is spot on, couldn't have put it better myself. Watching the Amazon documentary, all I see the focus on half time is cutting out mistakes, defensive pressure, concentration, don't concede etc etc. This is all important stuff but our real issue is we have no clear idea how to attack and create chances. Yes I know in the doc they most likely edited some of that stuff out but judging by our performances even games we won the plan either isn't working or doesn't really exist.

It seems that if one of the front 3 don't create a moment of magic we won't really trouble any half decent team. Jose doesn't like to take risks in midfield, preferring safe options over creative ones, but this is really the source of our problems and has been since under Poch. To think we started the CL final with Winks and Sissoko as our double pivot says it all. Good guys I'm sure, but bench players at best for any team looking to get somewhere.

 

[yankspurs]

Wont be much excuses now if Levy can bring in Bale, Reguilon, a backup striker and another CM or CB.