Jose Mourinho

[-Afri-Coy-]

José said no more attacking mids - has he as manager of any other team made that sort of statement only to go back on it and act differently in the window? Some real quality attacking mids could be relegated and on the market.

Jose doesn't usually go back on his word, but he is human so don't hold what he says over his head things can change.

 

[tototoner]

José said no more attacking mids - has he as manager of any other team made that sort of statement only to go back on it and act differently in the window? Some real quality attacking mids could be relegated and on the market.

I'd take Todd Cantwell right now

 

[Locotoro]

Jack Grealish is the stand out candidate for me but I can't see any of the top 6 that would take him as they all have similar players and I think Grealish lacks defensive output that would put him above players like GLC.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

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I reckon Kane for one would be ecstatic to lift one of them.

He may get the chance next year once he joins up with Guardiola

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I'd prefer Buendia over Cantwell. Much more creative and a bit more tenacious.

 

[emiley heskey]

I'd prefer Buendia over Cantwell. Much more creative and a bit more tenacious.

Buendia is really good ... Much better final ball than Lamela and looks physically solid for the premier league as well ...

 

[mill]

José said no more attacking mids - has he as manager of any other team made that sort of statement only to go back on it and act differently in the window? Some real quality attacking mids could be relegated and on the market.

That may well change if one of them gets sold

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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He may get the chance next year once he joins up with Guardiola

Is Guardiola becoming our manager?

Bit harsh on Jose.

 

[Metalhead]

It's not really comparable. The world has changed in the last 5-7 years, with people being encouraged to have and share opinions, unprovoked, and to almost be divisive. We've obviously seen it in lots of areas of politics, but arguing/trolling on Facebook/Twitter is now as regular as a bowel movement for the average person, so people are far more open with their opinions than they would have been back then. It's almost like people associate having an opinion with being, or seen to be, knowledgeable.

I mean, who the hell would have thought people would turn their nose up at Jose Mourinho even a few years ago.

Exactly, social media obviously does amplify things and gets people even more heated than decades ago when it would just have been a group of people arguing about it in a pub or on the terraces. Graham was a massively unpopular choice to be fair and I can still remember people being interviewed and saying that they'd never accept a gooner. I guess the main difference was that once the season was underway, people just got on and supported the club without the distraction then of social media. I'm sure that there are people with better memories but I don't remember too many "Georgie Graham's blue and white army" chants. Maybe after the league cup win but I have my doubts.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Exactly, social media obviously does amplify things and gets people even more heated than decades ago when it would just have been a group of people arguing about it in a pub or on the terraces. Graham was a massively unpopular choice to be fair and I can still remember people being interviewed and saying that they'd never accept a gooner. I guess the main difference was that once the season was underway, people just got on and supported the club without the distraction then of social media. I'm sure that there are people with better memories but I don't remember too many "Georgie Graham's blue and white army" chants. Maybe after the league cup win but I have my doubts.

I don’t ever remember George Graham’s blue and white army.

I think if he’d not set out from the start to humiliate Ginola, subbing him for no reason and dropping him from big games, eventually forcing him out, Graham would’ve had more acceptance. People think Mourinho was arrogant, he’s not a patch on Graham, who couldn’t stand that we loved Ginola and hated him. He came to the club and set out to destroy our most gifted and adored player, the guy who made turning up worthwhile. A lot of people say that Ginola won double player of the year in 99 because of Graham, the truth is it was despite him. My dad and I didn’t get up to celebrate one goal in 00/01 until Graham was sacked after Ginola was sold.

Before anyone pipes up comparing that to the Mourinho/ Ndombele situation, don’t be daft, they’re nothing alike.

On a side note, Graham is also part of what destroyed Campbell’s relationship with the club and stopped him signing. They hadn’t spoken in months and months by the time Hoddle took over, at which point Campbell had already decided to leave and was considering offers from abroad (Roma and Barcelona I believe).

 

[buckley]

Talk about make up your own history to fit your agenda well done.

 

[Metalhead]

I don’t ever remember George Graham’s blue and white army.

I think if he’d not set out from the start to humiliate Ginola, subbing him for no reason and dropping him from big games, eventually forcing him out, Graham would’ve had more acceptance. People think Mourinho was arrogant, he’s not a patch on Graham, who couldn’t stand that we loved Ginola and hated him. He came to the club and set out to destroy our most gifted and adored player, the guy who made turning up worthwhile. A lot of people say that Ginola won double player of the year in 99 because of Graham, the truth is it was despite him. My dad and I didn’t get up to celebrate one goal in 00/01 until Graham was sacked after Ginola was sold.

Before anyone pipes up comparing that to the Mourinho/ Ndombele situation, don’t be daft, they’re nothing alike.

On a side note, Graham is also part of what destroyed Campbell’s relationship with the club and stopped him signing. They hadn’t spoken in months and months by the time Hoddle took over, at which point Campbell had already decided to leave and was considering offers from abroad (Roma and Barcelona I believe).

This is where my memory must be well f@cked up because I remember everyone saying “that’s Ginola’s Spurs career over” when Graham took over but then he did seem to find a place within the team. Again, memory, it’s 20+ years ago and I’m not getting any younger.

 

[FITZ]

Exactly, social media obviously does amplify things and gets people even more heated than decades ago when it would just have been a group of people arguing about it in a pub or on the terraces. Graham was a massively unpopular choice to be fair and I can still remember people being interviewed and saying that they'd never accept a gooner. I guess the main difference was that once the season was underway, people just got on and supported the club without the distraction then of social media. I'm sure that there are people with better memories but I don't remember too many "Georgie Graham's blue and white army" chants. Maybe after the league cup win but I have my doubts.

“Man in the coat’s blue and white army”

 

[Metalhead]

“Man in the coat’s blue and white army”

That does ring a bell!

 

[SpartanSpur]

This is true but they also have the resources to win these cups. Spurs are in a stick or twist and I think that was Poch’s dilemma. Risk the league and CL for “minor silverware” and play our starters in the cups or concede that to challenge for the big ones we need to play the likes of Nkoudou and Jansen in the cups. City can call upon a bench that will rival 3/4 of the league

I did largely agree with Poch at the time, but I do believe the domestic cups are getting a bit more important. Just look at those semi finalists this weekend. Whoever wins the cup this year is going to have earned it.

Even so we probably did have the resources to win cups under him, we had a few FA Cup semis, and League Cup semis and a final under him. Going out at those stages was certainly not due to squad depth.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Coincidentally, I watched a documentary on Ginola in the early hours and although I didn't memorise it, from what I can recall, the Graham/Ginola relationship was a slow burner when it came to it deteriorating. Ginola himself says something along the lines of Graham not liking the fact that Ginola was a bigger name than him and his winning of the player of the year was the breaking point, or at least when it started to turn properly sour. They showed a clip of a Graham interview on the training ground where he said he thought Ginola was capable of so much more but it was all discussed over a couple of minutes, there wasn't much more than that to go on.

 

[Klinsmannic]

José said no more attacking mids - has he as manager of any other team made that sort of statement only to go back on it and act differently in the window? Some real quality attacking mids could be relegated and on the market.

Do have a quote/link? I missed this.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Coincidentally, I watched a documentary on Ginola in the early hours and although I didn't memorise it, from what I can recall, the Graham/Ginola relationship was a slow burner when it came to it deteriorating. Ginola himself says something along the lines of Graham not liking the fact that Ginola was a bigger name than him and his winning of the player of the year was the breaking point, or at least when it started to turn properly sour. They showed a clip of a Graham interview on the training ground where he said he thought Ginola was capable of so much more but it was all discussed over a couple of minutes, there wasn't much more than that to go on.

For me it was dropping him away to Kaiserslautern that I’ll never understand. Our best player by far and our first European campaign in almost a decade, he went and did that.

Never forgive never forget.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

For me it was dropping him away to Kaiserslautern that I’ll never understand. Our best player by far and our first European campaign in almost a decade, he went and did that.

Never forgive never forget.

Yeah we've all got one of those moments. One of mine was a slow burner.

Levy sacked Hoddle and appointed Pleat caretaker for the best part of nine months, virtually the whole season, while he did due diligence on his search for the 'right man'

Then, after all that, he appointed Santini who lasted thirteen fucking games.

Twat. That was when the penny dropped. OK we lucked out and ended up with Jol but for me, the worst of it, was Pleat. Fuck me it was horrendous.

That year I was squandering my money on food and rent and really struggled to find the money for my season ticket and to have pretty much the whole season written off like that really fucking annoyed me.



Never forgive, never forget

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yeah we've all got one of those moments. One of mine was a slow burner.

Levy sacked Hoddle and appointed Pleat caretaker for the best part of nine months, virtually the whole season, while he did due diligence on his search for the 'right man'

Then, after all that, he appointed Santini who lasted thirteen fucking games.

Twat. That was when the penny dropped. OK we lucked out and ended up with Jol but for me, the worst of it, was Pleat. Fuck me it was horrendous.

That year I was squandering my money on food and rent and really struggled to find the money for my season ticket and to have pretty much the whole season written off like that really fucking annoyed me.



Never forgive, never forget

I gotta say, back then I was anti Enic and Levy for the same reasons.

I call that time ‘pre-enlightenment’