Jose Mourinho

[BringBack_leGin]

Ghod was a good tactictian but we had an aging squad and he also wasn't the best man manager, he never really succeeded with any club or international side particularly tbh, got England playing some good stuff to be fair until Beckham kicked out. Love the bloke but he was never the man to lead us to glory unfortuantely. I do wonder how Klinsmann would've done with us though as he did very very well with Germany.

I don’t disagree particularly, but what he did with all of Swindon, Chelsea and Southampton was way above their standing at the time, and his England side played the best football I’ve seen from an England side including the Venables team with probably the worst set of players in the past 25 years.

 

[dudu]

That is quite interesting when you put it like this we really should've won something more, if you also add in two 'title' challenges under Poch and potential was there for a 3rd under aary until we bought Nelson & Saha.

Mabye patience is the key mate but i suppose some fans are concerned by the style of play and also that if he is the 'wrong man' then we've wasted time with him if we then go back to a 'project manager', i'm not disagreeing with you at all, I think you're probably spot on but I think this is where some fans are coming from.

I completely get it.

To those, I would say that I still think the style of play is too soon to be judging. I have texts on my phone from mates of mine in Poch's first season wishing him to be gone, we were booed off the pitch a couple of times....

Logically, without bias, if you look at our problems in the squad, injuries everything..... no matter who you want to blame for it.... we need sorting out far beyond a fatherly arm around the shoulder and a bit of running encouragement.

It will be a test for Jose, but i'd rather have one of the most experienced and successful managers on the planet trying to fix it than someone else who looks cool and new but hasn't actually done anything of note.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I don’t disagree particularly, but what he did with all of Swindon, Chelsea and Southampton was way above their standing at the time, and his England side played the best football I’ve seen from an England side including the Venables team with probably the worst set of players in the past 25 years.

Yea fair points mate.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I completely get it.

To those, I would say that I still think the style of play is too soon to be judging. I have texts on my phone from mates of mine in Poch's first season wishing him to be gone, we were booed off the pitch a couple of times....

Logically, without bias, if you look at our problems in the squad, injuries everything..... no matter who you want to blame for it.... we need sorting out far beyond a fatherly arm around the shoulder and a bit of running encouragement.

It will be a test for Jose, but ill rather have one of the most experienced and successful managers on the planet trying to fix it than someone else who looks cool and new but hasn't actually done anything of note.

Yea can't argue with any of that at all mate, I suppose patience really is the key here definitely there are signs of encouragement with the results and with some of the parts of the performance vs Arsenal that Jose has 'still got it', some fans are probably also influenced by how it went at Man.U for him but to be fair he didn't get a fair say on players to bring in + was competing against Pep's billions at City in an already brilliant squad, he had phil jones, smalling, lingard etc and he still got them to finish 2nd and win two trophies so I do see that the media perception of jose is very unfairly negative, he's won everywhere he's been. I was all for the appointment and very very excited at the time, then a lost a bit of faith given some of the absoloutely hard to watch dour performances but I can admit i'm not the most patient and there are certainly signs of encouragement.

For me its just a case of can we actually get him some good players in which he feels will improve our weaknesses, if we can get 3-5 in we could be good next year if we just get 1-2 in i don't think it'll make a whole load of difference and it'll be a very very tough job for jose.

Good posts though mate i do agree with your view for sure, its probably better to have a proven winner than someone who's not done anything of note, and if results keep coming the players and fans will more and more buy into Jose, so fingers crossed for another win tonight in a tough game.

COYS.

 

[Metalhead]

Pretty much. But it’s ok, we have Harry Potter waiting in the wings.

Until he goes through a bad run of results and is then forgotten about.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Until he goes through a bad run of results and is then forgotten about.

If he is our next manager I will start to turn against Levy.

 

[Metalhead]

If he is our next manager I will start to turn against Levy.

Thing is, if we recruited Harry Potter rather than Graham Potter, would we get investment from JK Rowling?

 

[spurs mental]

You say that, but even at our peak, we were not capable of turning up in the big game. That is not just a personnel problem. Maybe Poch didn't know how to do it because he didn't have the experience of how?

Do you think we would have been more likely to win in most of those semi's/finals the last few years with a more experienced manager than Poch in charge?

I known its hypothetical but absolutely yes. Who is to say we would have been been there under a different manager but I do believe we would have won something with that squad with a more experienced manager. He seemed more about the emotion of the moment then the actual tactical side of it.

Take the FA Cup semi final v United. We were better than them at the time in terms of ability and went 1-0 up early on. We had half an hour of football to score an equaliser and couldn't because they were set up to defend their lead and win. A more experienced manager would have had us sit in on our 1 goal lead to get to half time and then planned the rest of the game to see it out.

The game v Juve is another perfect example of us not having the experience or guile to get over the line by defending our lead. Too hungry and eager to score a second and then conceding two in 3 minutes. Couldn't score an equaliser in 25 minutes because they knew how to defend their lead.

 

[jay2040]

You say that, but even at our peak, we were not capable of turning up in the big game. That is not just a personnel problem. Maybe Poch didn't know how to do it because he didn't have the experience of how?

Do you think we would have been more likely to win in most of those semi's/finals the last few years with a more experienced manager than Poch in charge?

Maybe, however it was Poch that got us there in the first place so credit has to be given to that. I think it's a lack of experience throughout the team as well potentially.

 

[enfieldyid]

Yea can't argue with any of that at all mate, I suppose patience really is the key here definitely there are signs of encouragement with the results and with some of the parts of the performance vs Arsenal that Jose has 'still got it', some fans are probably also influenced by how it went at Man.U for him but to be fair he didn't get a fair say on players to bring in + was competing against Pep's billions at City in an already brilliant squad, he had phil jones, smalling, lingard etc and he still got them to finish 2nd and win two trophies so I do see that the media perception of jose is very unfairly negative, he's won everywhere he's been. I was all for the appointment and very very excited at the time, then a lost a bit of faith given some of the absoloutely hard to watch dour performances but I can admit i'm not the most patient and there are certainly signs of encouragement.

For me its just a case of can we actually get him some good players in which he feels will improve our weaknesses, if we can get 3-5 in we could be good next year if we just get 1-2 in i don't think it'll make a whole load of difference and it'll be a very very tough job for jose.

Good posts though mate i do agree with your view for sure, its probably better to have a proven winner than someone who's not done anything of note, and if results keep coming the players and fans will more and more buy into Jose, so fingers crossed for another win tonight in a tough game.

COYS.

Having Jose does not automatically bring titles and trophies. No mater what we always have weaknesses in our squad we may win a league cup, FA cup or Europa League under Jose but he is no miracle worker. So people dreaming of a League Title or Champions League please forget it.

Levy will never invest properly in the squad. We have always cut corners on things like scouting or youth development.

I just cannot see Jose working out. I just remember after we beat them at Old Trafford and his reaction after it. I have never sen him admit he has made a mistake.

 

[spids]

You say that, but even at our peak, we were not capable of turning up in the big game. That is not just a personnel problem. Maybe Poch didn't know how to do it because he didn't have the experience of how?

Do you think we would have been more likely to win in most of those semi's/finals the last few years with a more experienced manager than Poch in charge?

I was focussing on the current squad and the here and now.

 

[jay2040]

Having Jose does not automatically bring titles and trophies. No mater what we always have weaknesses in our squad we may win a league cup, FA cup or Europa League under Jose but he is no miracle worker. So people dreaming of a League Title or Champions League please forget it.

Levy will never invest properly in the squad. We have always cut corners on things like scouting or youth development.

I just cannot see Jose working out. I just remember after we beat them at Old Trafford and his reaction after it. I have never sen him admit he has made a mistake.

Someone got out of the wrong side of bed!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Having Jose does not automatically bring titles and trophies. No mater what we always have weaknesses in our squad we may win a league cup, FA cup or Europa League under Jose but he is no miracle worker. So people dreaming of a League Title or Champions League please forget it.

Levy will never invest properly in the squad. We have always cut corners on things like scouting or youth development.

I just cannot see Jose working out. I just remember after we beat them at Old Trafford and his reaction after it. I have never sen him admit he has made a mistake.

Us winning a domestic cup or more so the Europa would be fantastic.

As for investment in youth and scouting, all our progress from 2005 to 2018 is precisely because we did this brilliantly, starting from Carrick, Lennon, Dawson and Robinson and ending with Dele, Walker, Dier, Rose and bringing through Kane.

Our decline has been because since then we stopped blooding the Kanes, Masons, Townsends, etc and we’ve stopped signing the young potential stars before they really hit the big time. Why we diverged is for speculation but before that point our entire progression from mid table to title challengers was built on this.

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

This reputation of being a winner is largely based on things he did a long time ago, relatively speaking. He's FAR from the guarantee he once was, and there's now plenty of evidence to suggest he has been left behind by the modern game. So while I understand the calls for patience, it's also not unreasonable to think that the turgid football we've seen so far will neither improve nor lead to the success some think it will.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Having Jose does not automatically bring titles and trophies. No mater what we always have weaknesses in our squad we may win a league cup, FA cup or Europa League under Jose but he is no miracle worker. So people dreaming of a League Title or Champions League please forget it.

Levy will never invest properly in the squad. We have always cut corners on things like scouting or youth development.

I just cannot see Jose working out. I just remember after we beat them at Old Trafford and his reaction after it. I have never sen him admit he has made a mistake.

Trophies are so hard to win for anyone outside of ManCity, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man.U and Arsenal. Outside of that barely any team has won anything of note in the past 10 or so years (Leicester title win aside).

You're right, Jose is no guarentee of trophies but IF and huge IF we can get the player recruitment right for him then i think he'd have a good chance, but I'm with you that I just don't think Levy will properly invest in the squad and by that I don't even just mean he won't pump money in as last summer we spent a reasonable amount, I just don't trust our scouting and 'transfer committee', HOPEFULLY now Jose is their he can better influence the players we bring in as he in my opinion is a much better judge of a player than Poch was, but I also think our scouting needs improving so Campos as DofF would be ideal fit.

 

[spurs mental]

This reputation of being a winner is largely based on things he did a long time ago, relatively speaking. He's FAR from the guarantee he once was, and there's now plenty of evidence to suggest he has been left behind by the modern game. So while I understand the calls for patience, it's also not unreasonable to think that the turgid football we've seen so far will neither improve nor lead to the success some think it will.

Well people didn't want Poch sacked but we were playing turgid football under him for 10 months. So it's not unreasonable to want him to be given time.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This reputation of being a winner is largely based on things he did a long time ago, relatively speaking. He's FAR from the guarantee he once was, and there's now plenty of evidence to suggest he has been left behind by the modern game. So while I understand the calls for patience, it's also not unreasonable to think that the turgid football we've seen so far will neither improve nor lead to the success some think it will.

I see what you're saying but in his past two jobs he's won the league and league cup with Chelsea and league cup and europa league with ManU. I'd also argue that the game has moved on and the landscape is different. When he took over at chelsea for example he only really had to compete with man.U and to an extent arsenal, neither of whom were bankrolled by billionaires. Now the PL has:
Man.C - billionaire owners, unreal squad
Liverpool - wealthy long term successful club, good manager and squad
Man.U - re-building and re-investing, very wealthy due to their past successes
Chelsea - billionaire owners, strong squad and investing heavily

Those four alone are almost impossible to surpass without being extremely astute in the market and having a top top manager Or by also investing billions yourselves.

Then add to that you have :
Leicester, Wolves, Arsenal, Everton, Sheff.Utd all very strong sides.

So the Premier league strength and landscape is completely different to when he was at chelsea first time round.

 

[Trix]

This reputation of being a winner is largely based on things he did a long time ago, relatively speaking. He's FAR from the guarantee he once was, and there's now plenty of evidence to suggest he has been left behind by the modern game. So while I understand the calls for patience, it's also not unreasonable to think that the turgid football we've seen so far will neither improve nor lead to the success some think it will.

It's also based on the fact he won stuff at his last club, as well all those previous.

Just ignore that point if it doesn't fit your MO though.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Us winning a domestic cup or more so the Europa would be fantastic.

As for investment in youth and scouting, all our progress from 2005 to 2018 is precisely because we did this brilliantly, starting from Carrick, Lennon, Dawson and Robinson and ending with Dele, Walker, Dier, Rose and bringing through Kane.

Our decline has been because since then we stopped blooding the Kanes, Masons, Townsends, etc and we’ve stopped signing the young potential stars before they really hit the big time. Why we diverged is for speculation but before that point our entire progression from mid table to title challengers was built on this.

Good points mate, I also agree with this, moving away from this young british core hasn't worked so well for us. That's why I'm quite keen on signings like Max Aarons etc to bring a level of that back and then if you add to that the quality players like lo celso, son etc we'll have a good mix.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Someone got out of the wrong side of bed!

Mabye they haven't even got out of bed at all...