Jose Mourinho

[fishhhandaricecake]

Jose on fire this presser, amazing what a win does for everyone's confidence, even the manager. People always think about players needing confidence but managers are people as well and he'll also be very buoyed by the win over Arsenal. As I've said not a fan of the style but I also need more patience and wins can breed confidence and momentum which HOPEFULLY we can carry on against Newcastle in a very tough away game and then hopefully we can also keep that form going into next season.

Can't believe Jose has never won at St James's Park, records are there to be broken hey...

Interesting what he said about the Man.City decision being disgraceful in that if they're guilty they should be banned and if they're not guilty they should be fined, but i think they were fined due to not complying with regulators not actually not complying with FFP...

Some testing Q's also about spending power and can he achieve success at Tottenham, very coy response which suggests he understands the reality and the enormity of the task but he didn't admit that it is impossible. However we all realise that right now anyone apart from Liverpool or Man.City winning the league is quite unlikely unless either of these two drop off their level a lot so Jose's focus will likely be top 4 and win the cups of which hopefully we are in the Europa.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Seemed so sensible.
Until the last 2 words...

This is interesting from Ben Davies on Jose vs Poch tactically:

Davies: Mourinho has changed Pochettino's Tottenham in one key way

Tottenham are "more tactical" under Jose Mourinho compared to former manager Mauricio Pochettino, says Ben Davies.

www.standard.co.uk

"Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity," Davies told talkSPORT.

"Now I think we're a bit more tactical, we're a bit more aware of what we're coming up against. We have a game plan for each game."

 

[Metalhead]

Do you think the manager is above questioning and/or criticism from fans? Really?

I agree, I don’t think that they should be but a little less hyperbole on here would be welcome.

 

[McFlash]

This post didn’t age well

If I was a petty man, I'd go back and give him a "d'oh". ?

 

[ClintEastwould]

The entire first half of the season was marked by a devastating 6 weeks around November and poor results in general vs. all of Chelsea, United, Arsenal and City. Of course City had an incredible year, and stole all the headlines. The 2nd half was really, really good once there was nothing left to play for besides the pure joy for football, which was ripe throughout the squad in that period and why they were rather good.

We beat basically the entire top 6 at Wembley that year playing amazing football with Dembele peaking before a decline the next season.

 

[kremlyn]

That was Manchester United's fear. Turns out counter to the narrative he left then better than he found them and he even told them what CB to buy to fix it.

At worst we'll "survive" Jose like we survived all the other egotistical managers we've had.

Did he? Relative to the cost of the squad? He was right about Maguire but then saying that the most expensive cb in the world will make you better defensively is not exactly rocket science.

Again it points to success by cheques which we don't have. Even if we did...

 

[kremlyn]

You are arrogant as you think you are worthy enough to ask him questions . Look at his achievements and look at ours over the same time. We are lucky he came to us and we weren't stuck with someone who does not have the winning experience or mentality.

Ok

 

[kremlyn]

This is interesting from Ben Davies on Jose vs Poch tactically:

Davies: Mourinho has changed Pochettino's Tottenham in one key way

Tottenham are "more tactical" under Jose Mourinho compared to former manager Mauricio Pochettino, says Ben Davies.

www.standard.co.uk

"Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity," Davies told talkSPORT.

"Now I think we're a bit more tactical, we're a bit more aware of what we're coming up against. We have a game plan for each game."

Ben 'suddenly getting game time' Davies?

As I remember, learning how and when to trigger the high press was quite the challenge. Not something Ben really mastered... Also it hasn't been too bad a tactic for Liverpool.

 

[sausage]

More Ben Davies quotes on Mourinho:


“Under Poch we very much had our style of play and it was just the high press, high intensity…

“Now I think we’re a bit more tactical, we’re a bit more aware of what we’re coming up against. We have a game plan for each game.”

“In some games it hasn’t been what we’ve wanted but everyone’s buying into the skill set that Mourinho has and we all know that he’s a top, top manager,” the 27-year-old added.

“He’s won everything there is to win so us as players have got to put our trust into him and the results will follow.”

Full interview:

Davies says Spurs stars are fully behind Mourinho, reveals Pochettino differences

Ben Davies has told talkSPORT Tottenham are more tactical under Jose Mourinho than they were under Mauricio Pochettino and is confident success will follow under the Portuguese. The decision to hir…

talksport.com

There's definitely short memories on here because it was most matches people would be questioning whether Poch does any research of the opposition, because the other team quite clearly can't cope with this, or that, etc.

It kind of underlines the reason why we didn't win anything in that period - we seemed to be arrogant enough to think we can win on our own terms. Managers like Mourinho don't give a crap about playing style because I think they understand that it's futile to put that kind of thing ahead of simply winning the match first.

People keep harping back to the past but in the past
The ball was like a medicine ball when wet ;try heading them balls its why I am dooly ally.
The pitches only had grass on them for a couple of months
You could pass the ball to the keeper and he could pick up the ball .
The majority of the players used to smoke (dear me)
There was a drinking culture at almost every club.
You were allowed to tackle from behind ; you can ask Jimmy Greaves about that and if he played now he would be a 40 plus a season man
You could barge the goalkeeper note Ray wood and Nat Lofthouse
What I am trying to say is never look back as it is pointless as the game was completely different .
You must always look forward to progress and so all this Poch did this Fergie did that Nicholson did so and so ; its pointless because football like everything in life evolves and as Jose said " the clever ones do not always succeed its the ones that can evolve that are successful "
Jose in the past apart from Sporting has had pot loads of money to assist him in building a side .
He is not going to get that at spurs and he knows this and is intelligent enough to adjust and evolve to bring us some joy in the future I am sure . The managers like Warnock / Pulis / Alidyce etc will never be at the very top because they are stuck in the past and cannot or refuse to evolve . As a Spurs addict I respect the past and wish we could repeat some past successes but it is futile I know that looking to the future is the only way we will have success .

You only have to look back to clips from the 90's to see how far football has come. It's weird seeing stadiums without luscious perfect green grass, and weird seeing defenders falling over watching the ball roll past them. It wasn't too long ago that the top flight footballers weren't all athletes.

 

[Kingellesar]

I wanted Jose, I think if we are to win a trophy, who better to do it than him? No one has a CV like his.

If he can't win us something in the next 2/3 seasons then I have no idea what we do. The issue we have is that this season has been a shit show from start to finish and he has inherited a very tired looking squad and I think they have had enough just as we fans have had enough of them. Something has to give, Poch said we needed a rebuild and it would be painful. Now Jose is tasked with that rebuild but now due to covid I think we are all starting to realise the rebuild won't happen as quickly as we would've hoped. We might be stuck with the same squad for longer than we had hoped.

I do think he will get fed up before long though and it'll turn into a similar situation to what happened at United but who knows, I think if we started to go on a run, which we all know we are capable of then the mood around the dressing room and club would probably change and breed confidence back in the club once again. We have seen a small glimpse of that this week after beating Arsenal.

I can't remember when he took over at United but did he hit the ground running or did he have a fairly average start?

 

[kremlyn]

His Chelsea squad was relatively recently assembled and lacked familiarity, and he won his first title off of a defending Arsenal dude who’d not loser a League match in well over a season, not to mention there was still a strong Man Utd still able to call on Giggs, Scholes, Keane (admittedly ageing), Van Nistelrooy and the young Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo,

Money and inherited squads have clearly helped but it still takes a very good manager to win the league.

As for Inter, he may have had the best Serie A side, but he certainly didn’t have the best side in Europe, probably not even top 5 when you consider the strength of the English sides, Barca, Madrid and Bayern at that time,

Arsenal under Wenger were a possession based attacking side.

Man U were very much in transition.

I remember that summer when Chelsea blew the doors off the financial norms in the league. Drogba, Essien, Carvalho etc etc. It was staggering, way bigger than anything Madrid have ever done.

That Porto side was crawling with outstanding talent. Google them.

A very defensive team can do amazing things in a cup competition- see Greece, Portugal and the InterMilan side of the 60s.

 

[kremlyn]

I wanted Jose, I think if we are to win a trophy, who better to do it than him? No one has a CV like his.

If he can't win us something in the next 2/3 seasons then I have no idea what we do. The issue we have is that this season has been a shit show from start to finish and he has inherited a very tired looking squad and I think they have had enough just as we fans have had enough of them. Something has to give, Poch said we needed a rebuild and it would be painful. Now Jose is tasked with that rebuild but now due to covid I think we are all starting to realise the rebuild won't happen as quickly as we would've hoped. We might be stuck with the same squad for longer than we had hoped.

I do think he will get fed up before long though and it'll turn into a similar situation to what happened at United but who knows, I think if we started to go on a run, which we all know we are capable of then the mood around the dressing room and club would probably change and breed confidence back in the club once again. We have seen a small glimpse of that this week after beating Arsenal.

I can't remember when he took over at United but did he hit the ground running or did he have a fairly average start?

He got them to 2nd place. An outstanding achievement that bored everyone to tears.

 

[thekneaf]

He got them to 2nd place. An outstanding achievement that bored everyone to tears.

Wasn't it a UEFA cup first year, second place PL and FA Cup year 2 and then wheels off year 3?

 

[thekneaf]

Wasn't it a UEFA cup first year, second place PL and FA Cup year 2 and then wheels off year 3?

Wait, it only felt like they won the FA Cup because they dumped us out.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

So basically, you can write off all of Mourinho's achievements for a variety of reasons

 

[thekneaf]

Year 1 EFL Cup + Europa League
Year 2 2nd place league
Year 3 wheels off

 

[emiley heskey]

Ben 'suddenly getting game time' Davies?

As I remember, learning how and when to trigger the high press was quite the challenge. Not something Ben really mastered... Also it hasn't been too bad a tactic for Liverpool.

Liverpool dont high press anymore

 

[Gb160]

"I think Tottenham slowly changing the way they play."

"When (Mauricio) Pochettino was there it was different. Mourinho's come in and he plays a different way. But if he'd have won that game [against Bournemouth] 1-0, he would have been happy as Larry. He doesn't want to be involved in 5-2s and 6-3s.

"He talks exactly the same as (Mikel) Arteta. If you're good defensively, you've got much more chance of winning football matches."

"I think he's just starting to put his footprint on this team and I think they are going to be very hard to beat. They're not going to be the entertaining team, but that's the way it is.

"Mourinho has won everything in the game. You don't go into Tottenham and change your way of playing for players who have never won anything. You make sure that they play your way and you win them trophies.

"People go, 'you can't win like that anymore, winning 1-0 and 2-0'. But You can, believe me. No one ever wins anything with a bad defence."

"They were going for Premier League titles and Champions Leagues for the last two or three years, so of course they are still in decline at the moment," he said.

"But with Mourinho there, he will turn it around. He will, but they have to play his way."

"Tottenham aren't going to be a free-flowing side. But they've got to trust Mourinho and have faith, because this man has won everything and they've won nothing."

Paul Merson

Always liked Merson as a pundit.
Talks a lot of sense.

 

[DogsOfWar]

Mourinho came in when we were 14th, recognised we were a shit show defensively (5th/6th in the league for conceding shots and expected goals against) and has remedied that.
Had he done nothing we'd still be 14th (or worse) and you don't improve defensively by being even more offensive.

None of us really know how Jose is going to do long term but there is no denying we are in a better place than when he started, and even more so as he's purely playing the hand he was dealt.

This is ALL that currently matters.

If he brings in a few players in the summer and we're still 8th and playing poor football next season then he's open to criticism but the current criticism is purely from those trying to fit facts to their anti-Mourinho argument rather than the other way around.

 

[Metalhead]

Always liked Merson as a pundit.
Talks a lot of sense.

Ha ha well on this occasion.