Joško Gvardiol

[worcestersauce]

The reality is that every club in europe will be aware of the price. The players agent will agree terms with the players preferred club and that club will go to RBL and pay the fee. It'll all be done player side which is probably how RBL likes it.



Anyone who offered more than needed would be a total moron. This is surreal.

If you want to try and sway the deal your way you'd be better off putting any extra money into wages/agent fees!

You are probably right but my point is that there is no binding rule that prevents the selling club accepting a higher offer.

 

[worcestersauce]

Why on earth would anyone offer more than his release clause?!

To convince the selling club to prioritise them.

 

[WorthATry]

To convince the selling club to prioritise them.

But it's got nothing to do with the club once there is a release clause, the decision lies solely with the player

 

[GetKaned]

To convince the selling club to prioritise them.

Selling club can't prioritise anyone. The clause would be something like "If any club offers more than 50mn pounds we shall arrange the transfer to be completed within 1 week and player will be free to speak to the purchasing club"

 

[Ben1]

To convince the selling club to prioritise them.

This is a lost cause.

 

[C-oops]

insert banging head against brick wall emoji here

 

[SpartanSpur]

To convince the selling club to prioritise them.

Someone could do that now for next summer like Liverpool did with Naby Keita, but that's effectively before the clause comes into play. Otherwise there is literally no point offering more. The only reason they took that deal was because they believed Bayern were favourites to buy the player.

From the agent/player side however they will be equally open to any club that indicates they'd pay the clause once active. It would make more sense to keep your options open until next summer.

 

[Trix]

This is a lost cause.

I fear you are right.

 

[djhotspur]

You are probably right but my point is that there is no binding rule that prevents the selling club accepting a higher offer.

No there isnt, but there is no benefit to the buying club as it will have zero effect on whether the player goes tot hem or not.

 

[mark87]

You are probably right but my point is that there is no binding rule that prevents the selling club accepting a higher offer.

Of course there isn't but if they did that it doesn't therefore mean a bid of £43m can't be accepted. If ten teams wanted him and nine offered 43 and the other 45 then all bids would be accepted and it'll then be up to the player to decided where he goes, that's it, nothing else.

 

[worcestersauce]

So because there is a release clause he is effectively already sold then though he just won't leave until next summer and to an as yet unknown club, it is the end of the negotiations with the selling club completely is that right?

 

[Aphex]

Yes they have to accept but they don't have to accept the first one, if they did I'd say offer it now so nobody else can bid, he's ours next season and we can all relax or if you can't bid until the next summer window opens we should sit with our finger over the send button and at one second past midnight press it and hey presto he's our's.
So they can accept any offer of £43m in which case they may take the one who offers a bigger lump sum up front.
Alternatively they may accept the one who adds a couple of million on top there's no rule to say they can't as long as the offer meets the set level.
What they can't do is say no we're not selling him.
The obvious unknown factor is the player's preference but if he's happy to go to either club there's no problem.

Mate this is wrong. It's really simple, once a club offers 43 million, the club has absolutely no say in the matter, it's straight over to the player, and if the player wants to move he moves.

There is no such thing as the club doesn't have to accept the first offer. Once the clause is met, the club has no power.

And the notion that one club would over more than the release clause, to gain an upper hand makes no sense. Why would they do that? All they need to do is meet the release clause, and then speak to the player. If multiple clubs meet the release clause, the players chooses. No club is going to waste millions offering more than the release clause, for no advantage.

 

[mark87]

OSo because there is a release clause he is effectively already sold then though he just won't leave until next summer and to an as yet unknown club, it is the end of the negotiations with the selling club completely is that right?

Only if a club actually bids for him. The only time a release fee isn't met and is still sold is if the player in question is no longer worth a fee that high, which could be due to injuries or a loss of form, and the selling club could potentially agree to a lower fee if they really want to sell him.

 

[worcestersauce]

Of course there isn't but if they did that it doesn't therefore mean a bid of £43m can't be accepted. If ten teams wanted him and nine offered 43 and the other 45 then all bids would be accepted and it'll then be up to the player to decided where he goes, that's it, nothing else.

That's sort of my point and if the player isn't set on any particular team he could go to the £45m club but it seems from what people are posting that it never gets to that point because the player's agents effectively negotiate with prospective clubs.

 

[Trix]

So because there is a release clause he is effectively already sold then though he just won't leave until next summer and to an as yet unknown club, it is the end of the negotiations with the selling club completely is that right?

Quite simply, if anyone offers the release clause fee, the selling club are obliged legally to accept it. The player is then offered terms by whichever clubs meet the fee and he then decides if he wants to move to that club or not. If not he stays as is still under contract. Any number of clubs could offer the release amount and the player can speak to them all and accept which ever one he is happiest with, or just stay where he is.

 

[mark87]

That's sort of my point and if the player isn't set on any particular team he could go to the £45m club but it seems from what people are posting that it never gets to that point because the player's agents effectively negotiate with prospective clubs.

In that case it could be the player goes to the team bidding 45m for him but that won't necessarily have anything to do with it being because it's higher than the rest, but at the same time there's no reason for a club to bid higher than the release clause as why throw away more money than you need to for the exact same outcome?

 

[djhotspur]

That's sort of my point and if the player isn't set on any particular team he could go to the £45m club but it seems from what people are posting that it never gets to that point because the player's agents effectively negotiate with prospective clubs.

yes but the players value will never go above the 43m release clause. Its very different to the club accepting an offer less due to the player being worth less.

Dont get me wrong, a club could offer a huge fee now, that Leibzig couldn't possibly turn down (100m), and still buy him, but you wouldn't get him now for 45m and after this transfer window closes, he will simply go for 43m next summer.

 

[p.l.edmonds]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a release clause (anywhere other than Spain, where it's a right baked into player registrations with the Spanish FA / LaLiga) a contractual matter between a player and his club?

Ie. it's not just a case of a club saying they will pay it, but also of the player actually exercising the right - another club, not being a party to the contract between player and club, will not have any legal right to 'trigger' anything. As I say, I think it's different in Spain, where another club can turn up at the Spanish FA with a truck full of cash, and they'll process a transfer on behalf of the selling club (ok, it's probably a bit more complex than that, but you get the point).

That still doesn't mean that there's any merit in bidding / paying over the release clause - if the player would agree to come to you, then surely they would trigger the release as soon as the offer hits the mark, irrespective as to whoever else might be bidding - but I still don't think it's quite as Championship Manager as most fans think it is.

 

[worcestersauce]

By Jove I think I've got it now.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Quite simply, if anyone offers the release clause fee, the selling club are obliged legally to accept it. The player is then offered terms by whichever clubs meet the fee and he then decides if he wants to move to that club or not. If not he stays as is still under contract. Any number of clubs could offer the release amount and the player can speak to them all and accept which ever one he is happiest with, or just stay where he is.

Although the reality of course is that the agent makes sure every club in Europe is aware of said fee and basically negotiates with them all before the selling club has any idea about it.