How optimistic are you for Spurs in the Twenties?

[yiddopaul]

As has already been mentioned we should have one at least one PL title whilst at our peak for Leicester to have won it whilst we couldn't in a season when the big boys had a season off was frankly embarrassing.
The CL final was again spurs being spurs with the normal outcome the high point being top four for four consecutive years, unfortunately we are now in decline and I can't see us getting back to challenge again I don't have belief even with the new stadium that the team will be competitive enough for the big trophies.
Most likely we will go back to finishing between 5th-7th Europa League most seasons is better than nothing and I expect nothing over the next decade.

Hardly embarrassing. The other top 6 also didn't win it. We were never going to catch Leicester, not when every single team in the Prem wanted them to win it, and played like a cup final when they played us.

 

[shelfboy68]

Hardly embarrassing. The other top 6 also didn't win it. We were never going to catch Leicester, not when every single team in the Prem wanted them to win it, and played like a cup final when they played us.

But the other so called big six have all won the premier League or as in this season Liverpool will win it we are still the only one that can't.
But those excuses always get trotted out such as everyone was against us it was the other teams cup final, when do we stop being a mentally weak club and actually deliver on success.

 

[yiddopaul]

But the other so called big six have all won the premier League or as in this season Liverpool will win it we are still the only one that can't.
But those excuses always get trotted out such as everyone was against us it was the other teams cup final, when do we stop being a mentally weak club and actually deliver on success.

I agree our mentality has been and still is a problem, but that season against Leicester, we were never going to overturn them.

 

[VegasII]

I fear the staff may spend more time chasing mice out of the cheese room than they will selling cheese.

 

[jonnyp]

Next two transfer windows will be crucial IMO.

 

[rossdapep]

Think I peaked on the optimism front in this last decade. Feels like we’re on a decline. Having flirted with the league and Champions League is a League Cup going to satisfy the hunger anymore? It’s not all about us getting better. It’s ‘are there still other better teams getting better?’ and scooping up all the major silverware.

I think its a case of never knowing.

I don't think many expected us to become part of the bigger teams and push for the title for two years. The CL final was out of the beyonds of most of our imagination. Don't think many expected Arsenal and United to fall as badly as they have either.

We certainly didn't make the most of our chances but you never know we may just hit the moment where everything falls into place.

Look at Leicester, won the league, following season flirted with relegation and have been midtable, where they were expected to stay. Yet here they are sat in 2nd pushing on again.

I think we've been here before too. After the Redknapp reign we fell away and it felt like we were declining once again, the Sherwood era came and it felt like that was confirmed. Then Poch came in and took us to new levels.

Football is such a funny game. When you think you're finally onto something good, it all falls apart. Whenever you get despondent and start losing interest something positive out of nowhere transpires and you feel like you're on top of the world.

 

[slartibartfast]

Not optimistic at all but after years of following Spurs who is?
That said I thought it was the end when Redknapp went, Vdv went, Modric went and we brought in that donut Avb.
I ran a nice warm bath and tried to slit my wrists with a tomato.
Fortunately my suicide attempt failed and things worked out better than before, eventually. Better than I could have hoped really apart from no trophy. Plus I was clean so all worked out ok.
I dont think Levy is the kind of business man who invests in a new super duper stadium just to see it fail. It wouldn't make sense.
I think we may see the purse strings loosen before it gets real bad.
As for JM, I'm not convinced he's changed, he can achieve anything without a blank chequebook and fear we'll be his first club not to win anything. Hope I'm wrong I really do but we need some massive improvement before we look like we'd be capable of winning anything.

 

[muppetman]

I think the stadium was about cementing us as a top 6 club and that's what it will do. We still won't have the financial muscle that Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea have. For that reason I'm cautiously optimistic and think that a win in the League/FA Cup should certainly be attainable.

I think Levy's MO has been about steady improvements and we will attempt to continue this. For that reason I think Jose is a 18 months/2 year short term fix and the next appointment will be key.

 

[JKendall13]

At the start of the decade, Chelsea and Arsenal had double the revenue that we did. Now, we're barely behind both of them and are the 10th largest club in revenue in the world, without having played a full season in our new stadium. We have a world class training ground that England use, and from our first UCL qualification in 2010, we made the final in 2019 and have qualified for UCL 4 years running.

The football side has been inconsistent at times and ENIC has frustrated. But Levy has built up the club to the point where we are on close to even footing with the every team in the league. We have the power currently to compete every year at the top end of the league and furthermore, considering the infrastructure, that should be permanent. Considering where we've been in the past, things are definitely far beyond what I would have expected in 2010. I feel there's a decent chance I'll be able to say the same in 2030.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think the stadium was about cementing us as a top 6 club and that's what it will do. We still won't have the financial muscle that Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea have. For that reason I'm cautiously optimistic and think that a win in the League/FA Cup should certainly be attainable.

I think Levy's MO has been about steady improvements and we will attempt to continue this. For that reason I think Jose is a 18 months/2 year short term fix and the next appointment will be key.

The thing with steady improvement is that by the time we get there everything has changed again so it's a continuous cycle of fuck all.

 

[shelfboy68]

At the start of the decade, Chelsea and Arsenal had double the revenue that we did. Now, we're barely behind both of them and are the 10th largest club in revenue in the world, without having played a full season in our new stadium. We have a world class training ground that England use, and from our first UCL qualification in 2010, we made the final in 2019 and have qualified for UCL 4 years running.

The football side has been inconsistent at times and ENIC has frustrated. But Levy has built up the club to the point where we are on close to even footing with the every team in the league. We have the power currently to compete every year at the top end of the league and furthermore, considering the infrastructure, that should be permanent. Considering where we've been in the past, things are definitely far beyond what I would have expected in 2010. I feel there's a decent chance I'll be able to say the same in 2030.

We have a world class stadium and training ground but it's on the pitch that matters it's like buying a castle or a palace then filling it with IKEA furniture.

 

[Marauder]

I think the stadium was about cementing us as a top 6 club and that's what it will do. We still won't have the financial muscle that Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea have. For that reason I'm cautiously optimistic and think that a win in the League/FA Cup should certainly be attainable.

I think Levy's MO has been about steady improvements and we will attempt to continue this. For that reason I think Jose is a 18 months/2 year short term fix and the next appointment will be key.

Don't tell Levy and ENIC that. They will be horrified. They saw the stadium about cementing us as a TOP 4 club. Particularly, after the fortune Pochettino brought them the last few years. And now they will be dismayed if they have to spend on transfers to scrape us into the Top 4. The poll at the top can only be answered after the January transfer window is closed.

 

[Lilbaz]

We have a world class stadium and training ground but it's on the pitch that matters it's like buying a castle or a palace then filling it with IKEA furniture.

Apart from the fact that the stadium earns us money that can be used to buy better furniture.

 

[JKendall13]

We have a world class stadium and training ground but it's on the pitch that matters it's like buying a castle or a palace then filling it with IKEA furniture.

Went to the Champions League final last season and have finished top 4, four seasons in a row and six top four finishes in the decade. Beaten Real Madrid, Dortmund, Ajax, City, Inter, AC Milan in the Champions League. Won at the Bridge, Emirates, Ethiad, Anfield, and Old Trafford. The only other time in our history we've been top 4 four consecutive years was under Bill Nick in the early 60s. We've also played the best football of my thirty year life under both Redknapp and Pochettino. We've also had a number of absolutely incredible players playing for us: Modric, Bale, Kane, Walker, Dembele, Dele, VDV, Son, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Lloris, Alderweireld.

Sure it's frustrating we haven't won a trophy and have occasionally botched it after getting so close, but let's not be overly dramatic. It's been a pretty damn fine decade all things considered.

 

[shelfboy68]

Apart from the fact that the stadium earns us money that can be used to buy better furniture.

But you heard the chairman's message which was nothing will change so not sure on that score.

 

[Lilbaz]

But you heard the chairman's message which was nothing will change so not sure on that score.

We spent £100m in the summer no?

 

[shelfboy68]

We spent £100m in the summer no?

We did but that is west ham spend these days is it not we are probably 200m behind at least because of our reluctance to buy in two windows.

 

[muppetman]

I think we will spend more on transfers and wages than we have previously but it will still be within sensible boundaries and I'm not sure the stadium is enough to move us into the ManC/ManU/Chelsea bracket.

What I meant by top 6 is that we will have similar amounts to spend as Liverpool and Arsenal and so will be competitive with them - unlike Wolves, Everton and whoever else is currently the best of the rest.

I'm not sure the lack of cups (by which I mean FA, League and Europa) should have been out of our reach up until now and certainly shouldn't be now - we just haven't quite got over the line but many fine people on here believe Jose will be that final push.

I think winning the League or CL is a somewhat taller order - still doable but tough.

 

[RichieS]

At the start of the decade, Chelsea and Arsenal had double the revenue that we did. Now, we're barely behind both of them and are the 10th largest club in revenue in the world, without having played a full season in our new stadium. We have a world class training ground that England use, and from our first UCL qualification in 2010, we made the final in 2019 and have qualified for UCL 4 years running.

The football side has been inconsistent at times and ENIC has frustrated. But Levy has built up the club to the point where we are on close to even footing with the every team in the league. We have the power currently to compete every year at the top end of the league and furthermore, considering the infrastructure, that should be permanent. Considering where we've been in the past, things are definitely far beyond what I would have expected in 2010. I feel there's a decent chance I'll be able to say the same in 2030.

I think we will spend more on transfers and wages than we have previously but it will still be within sensible boundaries and I'm not sure the stadium is enough to move us into the ManC/ManU/Chelsea bracket.

What I meant by top 6 is that we will have similar amounts to spend as Liverpool and Arsenal and so will be competitive with them - unlike Wolves, Everton and whoever else is currently the best of the rest.

I'm not sure the lack of cups (by which I mean FA, League and Europa) should have been out of our reach up until now and certainly shouldn't be now - we just haven't quite got over the line but many fine people on here believe Jose will be that final push.

I think winning the League or CL is a somewhat taller order - still doable but tough.

Taken together, these two posts sum up my position perfectly. Thanks dudes!

 

[ultimateloner]

Optimistic because of the reasons given already (stadium + infrastructure).
League-finish wise I think over 50% we will qualify for CL but one or two years we won't (especially when Kane eventually leaves us).
However I don't think maintaining this status quo is enough to win PL; we need to invest more. This decision is a board-level one and i'm not sure DL has the stomach.