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andy00900

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Having more experienced players to mentor younger players is nowhere near as beneficial for their development as consistent 1st team football and good coaching. Because it usually ends up with the more experienced player taking most of the available game time. eg, Sessengon + Persic, sanchez + Vertonghen/Alderweireld
 

adamsky

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The fact Kane has scored in 25 individual matches, whilst still obviously brilliant, does also show that he is not as devastating as he was. He no longer looks like scoring hatricks or even braces and often means we are not winning games. His goals have been consolations most the time.
 
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talkshowhost86

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Don’t want to argue but disagree with this. Think the grafters and plodders get too much leeway nowadays.
I don't disagree with that in all cases

There has to be more than grafting

But in the modern game players who don't graft are simply not good enough either way
 

Neon_Knight_

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His goals have been consolations most the time.
Actually, I believe his goals have earned more points than any other player's in the PL this season.

The fact Kane has scored in 25 individual matches, whilst still obviously brilliant, does also show that he is not as devastomg as he was. He no longer looks like scoring hatricks or even braces and often means we are not winning games.
He has scored in 25 individual matches despite us barely creating any chances for him. In the past, his braces and hat-tricks have come in games that we've controlled / dominated. How many games have we controlled and/or dominated this season? The first that comes to mind was our 3-0 win over Preston in the FA Cup...when Kane was rested.

According to both his goal tally and his scoring rate in the PL this season, it has been his most "devastating" (best scoring) form for half a decade and the 3rd best of his career.

During his two more prolific seasons (2016-17 & 2017-18), he was playing in a far better team and we finished 2nd/3rd in the league.

2022-23: 118.5 minutes per PL goal
2021-22: 190.1 minutes per PL goal
2020-21: 134.2 minutes per PL goal
2019-20: 143.9 minutes per PL goal
2018-19: 142.8 minutes per PL goal
2017-18: 102.8 minutes per PL goal
2016-17: 87.4 minutes per PL goal

2015-16: 134.8 minutes per PL goal
2014-15: 122.9 minutes per PL goal
2013-14: 165.7 minutes per PL goal
 

Tucker

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Jul 15, 2013
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As a club...and a fanbase...we give 'mercurial' players far too much leeway

Dele was probably the most recent example

Don’t want to argue but disagree with this. Think the grafters and plodders get too much leeway nowadays.
I disagree with you both. I think people are too hard on players. Often criticising them for things that aren’t part of their usual role or for defensive errors that are more down to the team as a whole than individuals.

Case in point is Emerson, who got some pretty horrible abuse from the fans, even booing his every touch at one point.

I actually think this kind of thing is a huge barrier to our team doing well. I get it’s a frustrating time, but it’s not going to be helped by getting on our players backs and sucking out what little confidence they have left.
 

adamsky

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Actually, I believe his goals have earned more points than any other player's in the PL this season.


He has scored in 25 individual matches despite us barely creating any chances for him. In the past, his braces and hat-tricks have come in games that we've controlled / dominated. How many games have we controlled and/or dominated this season? The first that comes to mind was our 3-0 win over Preston in the FA Cup...when Kane was rested.

According to both his goal tally and his scoring rate in the PL this season, it has been his most "devastating" (best scoring) form for half a decade and the 3rd best of his career.

During his two more prolific seasons (2016-17 & 2017-18), he was playing in a far better team and we finished 2nd/3rd in the league.

2022-23: 118.5 minutes per PL goal
2021-22: 190.1 minutes per PL goal
2020-21: 134.2 minutes per PL goal
2019-20: 143.9 minutes per PL goal
2018-19: 142.8 minutes per PL goal
2017-18: 102.8 minutes per PL goal
2016-17: 87.4 minutes per PL goal

2015-16: 134.8 minutes per PL goal
2014-15: 122.9 minutes per PL goal
2013-14: 165.7 minutes per PL goal
I don’t really believe this but was giving a controversial opinion. I do think there is something in him not scoring multiple goals in games though. It is most likely to do with that we are pretty shit.
 

talkshowhost86

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I disagree with you both. I think people are too hard on players. Often criticising them for things that aren’t part of their usual role or for defensive errors that are more down to the team as a whole than individuals.

Case in point is Emerson, who got some pretty horrible abuse from the fans, even booing his every touch at one point.

I actually think this kind of thing is a huge barrier to our team doing well. I get it’s a frustrating time, but it’s not going to be helped by getting on our players backs and sucking out what little confidence they have left.
I definitely don't think booing players is okay most of the time and that wasn't my point.

I was more talking about the wider fanbase on message boards etc.

Although you so support my point partly.

Players like N'Dombele and Lo Celso all get more time than others in my experience whereas someone like Emerson actually deserved more patience
 

Tucker

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I definitely don't think booing players is okay most of the time and that wasn't my point.

I was more talking about the wider fanbase on message boards etc.

Although you so support my point partly.

Players like N'Dombele and Lo Celso all get more time than others in my experience whereas someone like Emerson actually deserved more patience
Well I do agree with that point of view to a certain extent. But I still think people are too over top on here and other forums. I even saw someone calling Højbjerg “Fraudbjerg” in another thread. It’s just a cycle of negativity and whining and entitlement that then spills out onto the terraces.

If all of social media is out for player x’s blood then it’s bound to be reflected in the crowds reaction too.
 

smallsnc

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Is this click bait?
No, this is a thread for controversial opinions, but I do think Royal would make a better CB. Has enough size, has pace, has good ball control and passing skills (though not a great crosser of the ball which is not needed at CB), has better judgement as to when to step into a challenge or when not to. I think if given the opportunity, he would be a very good CB.

While Romero is a very aggressive defender, I think he is rash, roams out of position and then lingers when there is no need to, often putting him behind the play if we lose possession. Romero may end up world class some day, but he is not there yet.

The funny thing is that I think they could actually be good together if played there for a while.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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As amazing as he has been for us, having Kane lock out that striker spot for so long has possibly held us back in ways and I’d prefer if we had 3-4 good strikers again like when we had : Berbatov, Mido, Keane, Defoe because just Kane up top week in week out for so long is actually quite boring at times.
 
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