Match Threads Colchester vs Spurs - Match Thread

[thebenjamin]

He still doesn’t have to play a diamond two up top formation tho!

Urrkkkk

Agree with that!

 

[rez9000]

What the fuck do I know!

TI think we’ll walk it.

Same here!

 

[Dr Know]

This is the time for Pochettinho to be absolutely ruthless. There's players that haven't taken responsibility and players just past there sale by date. Pochettinho needs to cut players out.



I do worry knowing Levy and our fans the end now looks in sight. Personally I'd give Pochettinho a few transfer windows to sort things out.

I would love to agree with you there mate but I really feel that Poch might be the problem and not the players. As I mentioned in a previous post, his comments about leaving after the CL final (and further comments as oskathegobshite eluded to) must have an effect on the players.

Would you take heed about your alcohol consumption from a drunk? You'd probably laugh at him/her.....bad analogy but I'm sure you get my meaning

I feel that he may have lost the dressing room and this might even explain him dropping players without reason (that we can see anyway)

Maybe some ITK can elaborate on what's going on behind the scenes but I feel it's not all rosey at all

 

[King of Otters]

Why are people assuming Poch wants to be here to turn things around, long term anyway.

Think many are missing the elephant in the room... He's thinking about life after Tottenham, regularly I'd imagine, which is a big part of the problem I'd suspect.

The elephant in the room so obvious that only you can see it. Poch has been here going on five years, and has had multiple chances to leave, including this summer. Disloyalty is not something you can level at him, despite your bizarre determination to do so.

 

[double0]

I don't know the answer.

I'd like to think we stick by the manager and back him 100% this being the first poor period under Pochettinho. I get the feeling Pochettinho will offer his resignation at some point then we'd have to start all over again.

What will be will be but I want players out the door Asap Eriksen being number one.

 

[C0YS]

He still doesn’t have to play a diamond two up top formation tho!

Urrkkkk

Fuck no.

But this is the thing. There are plenty of valid reason to question Poch, but that's not the same as wanting him out, or not recognize him has being the single best thing that has happened to this club in a very long time.

Some people seem to see footballers and managers as static entities who don't change and are consistent. In both negative ways and positive ways. I mean the people who thought Danny Rose would somehow easily shake off long term injury to be the same player he was before, or those who thought Kane wouldn't make it based on how he started. Same goes with Sissoko, same goes with Poch. Which contrary to popular opinion has changed a lot and does change despite his stubbornness. Like when we ended up dropping 5 at the back as our main tactic after four games without a win in 2017/2018, his ability to better use the squad in response to a poor CL campaign, him diversifying our goal kicks, pressing in phases etc etc etc. I think we can get through this.

 

[yankspurs]

If he wants to be here??
Levy needs a meeting with him to see if he is in it for the long haul or not, if he is great back him all the way, if not leave now and we get somebody who is committed and wants to be here

Poch wants to be here. Read his quotes from the presser. Talking about the squad and the upcoming transfer windows. Its very clear he wants a few players to leave already.

 

[Stamford]

I cannot believe we were prepared to sell Aurier before KWP

 

[Jolmaster]

Jesus Christ, the real spurs are back, how I’ve missed them. Not sure who these imposters were over the last few years building our hopes up

 

[dondo]

The elephant in the room so obvious that only you can see it. Poch has been here going on five years, and has had multiple chances to leave, including this summer. Disloyalty is not something you can level at him, despite your bizarre determination to do so.

He doesn’t look or sound like his old self though does he? He has been loyal to us while he was happy, how many good offers has he has since he’s been in his current state? Maybe he is waiting for one or the end of the season??

 

[dondo]

Poch wants to be here. Read his quotes from the presser. Talking about the squad and the upcoming transfer windows. Its very clear he wants a few players to leave already.

I hope he means that but he has said a lot of contradictory thing in pressers lately

 

[dondo]

Jesus Christ, the real spurs are back, how I’ve missed them. Not sure who these imposters were over the last few years building our hopes up

Hello darkness my old friend

 

[C0YS]

He doesn’t look or sound like his old self though does he? He has been loyal to us while he was happy, how many good offers has he has since he’s been in his current state? Maybe he is waiting for one or the end of the season??

He sounded pretty positive about the future in his last Press conference.

There is no reason to think he wants to leave and isn't completely focused. If Poch followed his own word he would resign from the squad completely were his thoughts to be somewhere else. Considering that is a principle of his.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Jesus Christ, the real spurs are back, how I’ve missed them. Not sure who these imposters were over the last few years building our hopes up

Now where’s that old stadium gone...

 

[double0]

The line 'losing the dressing room' really makes me laugh. It's of course financially cheaper quicker to get rid of the manager but in our specific case we should buck that trend and get rid of a whole list of players.

Wishful thinking. I'm just waiting now for breaking news at some point possibly this season on Poch.

 

[DJS]

Real shame Sessegnon wasn’t fit as would have been ideal playing him in 3-4-3 as much better option than more defensive Davies, who I see more as a left sided centre back or back four left back,

 

[mpickard2087]

A few weeks ago I said the worst thing you could level at Poch is that we just looked a badly coached outfit at present. I've never been shy of saying what I do and don't like, going into more detail/obsession than 99.9% of posters and picking things over to the nth degree, and some things we are seeing have been weaknesses that were there all along, but you could never question that we were fit, ran hard, very disciplined and the best Spurs side in 30 years in terms of application and looking well coached. If that's gone, there are problems.

And since then, its just got worse. Take tonight out of the equation, because it's virtually all games recently and goes much deeper than that. Whoever is selected - starter or reserve, superstar or kid trying to make his way in the game - it looks shambolic. One paced, ultra low tempo, little movement (often standing still), little idea, struggling to complete basic 5 yard passes, no press, wide open, defensively shaky, etc. If teams sit behind the ball we're fucked.

Individuals have to be held to account as well, but when we're just stumbling around the pitch (match after match) aimlessly and with no idea, just playing ultra safely and so hesitantly, this is a collective issue and questions have to be asked as to how this is happening and why the team is going out and playing with this mindset and approach - it has to be something they're feeding off, whether direct instruction or otherwise. But there is so much in the detail you can pick apart that shows substandard areas of our game.

Combination play for instance, how often tonight did we see Parrott, Alli, Moura all dropping off towards the ball at the same time, no harmony or trying to work off what the other(s) were doing. I saw at least a dozen times when a fullback had the ball, centre mid made a channel run (but was tracked) opening space inside for an option, when the man with the ball then is looking for said option no Spurs player has reacted and made any movement. Or late on, when Davies time and again failed to recognise that Son had moved inside and so he needed to pull wider and be the option but didn't, and so the ball couldn't be moved left and we got stuck. And so on, with literally 100's of different mechanics of the game that I could highlight, and that go together to help you play as a cohesive unit and achieve better football.

This also goes for our pressing, or lack of it. Mostly players just ambling about making half-hearted or token efforts. Sometimes a random player just chases around and gets taken out of the game as no else follows them. Very little in the way of a collective and disciplined effort. And that just leads to us being open, and then the players further back being put under a lot of pressure and/or overloaded.

Yes there are quite a lot of individuals currently who need to be showing a lot more and deserve criticism, but the manager is selecting them and when the vast majority of the squad are underperforming then the team itself has to come under the spotlight. Poch is the head honcho and the buck stops with him, he's simply got to get a grip quickly and find the solutions. There are big problems but to try and simplify it he's got to get 11 hungry players out on the pitch who want to work hard, defensively get some sort of approach in order -whether than be high press, or sitting behind the ball - carried out in disciplined fashion, and with the ball we've got to see far more urgency and evolve our attacking structures. You're not going to see 100% improvement overnight, but in the coming months we need to start making progress and ride out this real rough patch and bad run of results.

Personally though I think he deserves more time and getting rid at this point would be massively kneejerk. It's entirely possible he might not be able to fix it and at some point a change has to be made, but that's not yet. I'd even be prepared to put up with a scenario like a few more months of struggle, even if it meant this season became a write off, but then progress, fixing certain things, and a strong end to the season and ready to go onwards. He deserves a proper chance to see us out of this bad patch and revitalise the football team.

I'll engage in the hypothetical 'who next' chat though... I see a lot of calls for Mourinho as he's a winner, not for me. If some fans just want a win/trophy be all and end all, fair enough but that's not for me. I cant separate the process from the end result. For me I watch football for the game, the 90 minutes, the tactics and performances and everything in between that interests me, and to be entertained by it to my tastes and standards - I like high line, high press, possession-based technical attacking football. Of course I'd like Spurs to win every match and trophy too, but style of play and what I'm going to be watching week in week out, for me, comes first and I don't think we should just lurch to someone as they're the easily available 'winning' option.

But as I said, there are big concerns and massive improvements needed, but for now Poch has got to be given the opportunity to try and fix it.

 

[Mr Pink]

The elephant in the room so obvious that only you can see it. Poch has been here going on five years, and has had multiple chances to leave, including this summer. Disloyalty is not something you can level at him, despite your bizarre determination to do so.
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I'm not leveling disloyalty at him. If he wants a new challenge in the future that's his prerogative, I'd personally love him to stay for years and years to come.

My point is I think he's distracted by the prospect of leaving, and that's part of the issue. And if that's the case something has to give obviously.

Now I could be completely wrong on that, but I'm not calling him disloyal you berk.

 

[C0YS]

Just imagine Poch gets sacked tomorrow. Imagine! To think Ramos would have outlasted him from a season start.

Even if this was pretty much any other manager it is wayyy to early to even think about sacking (particularly as it isn't even a bad start).

 

[fortworthspur]

Poch needs to figure something out quick and we cant rely on Eriksen anymore.