Burnley vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Gaz_Gammon]

Yup. We see post after post about how our transfer business this past summer was inadequate and our squad depth is weak, but we've had a season-long fucking nightmare with injuries, today we've lost our whole midfield before half time and we've still won, if not comfortably, then at least decisively and with a clean sheet.

Some people are still grumbling about Sissoko, but the team without Sissoko couldn't deal with Burnley before half time and the team with Sissoko progressively crushed them from the start of the second half and was in total control for the last 20 minutes.

It's not just about what you do in high-profile moments with the ball, it's about the shape and the movement and the overall pattern of the game. Prior to half time Burnley were winning nearly every 50/50 ball and keeping possession comfortably. After half time, we won the ball off them with ease and dictated the tempo and pattern of the play. You can only do that if 11 men are doing their parts.

We were in control, and Lloris made no save of note all game.

The second half had everything to do with the change in system and zero to do with the appearance of Sissoko. To suggest that he made any difference to proceedings, or influence on the result is pure fantasy. I would dearly love to see him progress but in fairness just who should be dropped to make way for him?

 

[DJS]

Janssen on 73 minutes, didn't score.

Son on 3 minutes, scores.

Hmmmmm...

It's a true story mudder fuckers not slating just stating cold hard TRUTH bitcheeeeees!

 

[Mr Pink]

Fair enough. He probably fired them up for the Away game . They still lost 4 nil. Admire your optimism anyway.

They'll have players back who were missing today, no more so than Zlatan

 

[DJS]

7 points behind Chelsea and putting some nice distance between us and Liverpool

Man city can still plug gap with game in hand though...

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

That's where we disagree.

He works hard, is strong, is great at holding up the ball and linking up play. Ok he doesn't have many goals to his name (but is yet to miss a penalty for us and has shown the confidence to step up which shouldn't be ignored). But saying he has been shit is just lies. He played at the start of the season where even Kane wouldn't have scored many, we really didn't get going as a team until a few months in.

I think he is great back up, seems to have that mentality where he wants to learn and improve. Still so young, first season in this league and doing pretty well and man handling some strong premier league CBs.

The fact you slag off his performance today speaks volumes for what you're not seeing in him as a player.

I'm not really sure who people want as Kanes back up and i always ask this when people say exactly what you have? We have room to invest in a young 19/20 quicker / run the channels type striker of course (but that's what Son does so it's not essential). But Vinny as back up for me would be fine. Our problem has been the depth for Eriksen and Alli, with Lamela hopefully fit, that's where we need to look more so.

Half of your post could have been written when Soldado was here. I don't doubt Janssen's effort, work rate and attitude but like a Man Ure team without Zlatan, we are toothless up front in terms of the main striker.

The poster is not slagging off his performance today, but reflecting on his overall game this season. All new players take time to settle in, Lamela, Son, Wanyama, Eriksen, to name a few but all have shown during that learning curve some glimpses of why they were signed.

I have seen not one thing from Janssen so far that would even suggest even to the most avid Spurs fan that he will come good. In fact he appears to me to be a carbon copy of Soldado who for my money was more effective.

 

[hughy]

Janssen on 73 minutes, didn't score.

Son on 3 minutes, scores.

Hmmmmm...

You're usually a pretty good poster, but this is rubbish.


I'd go as far as to say Janssen was one of our best players in those 73 minutes. Son was bought on to stretch the defence and that's what he did.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

It was nice seeing Dier-Dembele dominating a midfield again, They really do work well together, it does seem that Dier has played himself back into form again and he picked up a lot of space in the holding midfield role, especially when Burnley started chasing the game.

For Poch to have them as a back up to the 3 cd and Wanyama-Dembele partnership is a nice thing to have

 

[DJS]

You're usually a pretty good poster, but this is rubbish.


I'd go as far as to say Janssen was one of our best players in those 73 minutes. Son was bought on to stretch the defence and that's what he did.

I wasn't actually being that serious...

Peeps can be very highly strung in Spurs chat sometimes lol.

I'm out with lads all day so maybe I'm feeling a bit bolshy!

 

[EQP]

You're usually a pretty good poster, but this is rubbish.


I'd go as far as to say Janssen was one of our best players in those 73 minutes. Son was bought on to stretch the defence and that's what he did.

If Alli scores his goal in the first half, Janssen might have had an easier time finding space etc Soon as Dier scored we went up another level and we looked up for it and Burnley lost a lot of their steam.

 

[TheChosenOne]

It's good to see reason in here, rather than the "he hasn't done it in his first 6 starts so he's shit and needs to be sold" mob that plague this board.
It will have been the same people that wanted Rose sold in his first full season, the same that wanted Lamela binned off after one season.

Whilst I don't think Janssen will command a starting berth the same way those two ended up doing, he's up against Kane after all, I do think he'll end up being an integral part of the squad in time.

Don't forget Bale - The Jonah

 

[Vincent30]

Half of your post could have been written when Soldado was here. I don't doubt Janssen's effort, work rate and attitude but like a Man Ure team without Zlatan, we are toothless up front in terms of the main striker.

The poster is not slagging off his performance today, but reflecting on his overall game this season. All new players take time to settle in, Lamela, Son, Wanyama, Eriksen, to name a few but all have shown during that learning curve some glimpses of why they were signed.

I have seen not one thing from Janssen so far that would even suggest even to the most avid Spurs fan that he will come good. In fact he appears to me to be a carbon copy of Soldado who for my money was more effective.

Come on Janssen is at the start of his career, Soldado was at the peak / older end of his career. Soldado is a poacher and is suited to quick attacking football, which at the time was unfortunate as he played under slow possession football, he was a player bought for a team that didn't suit the style of his play. The only comparison he has with Janssen is the lack of goals, it stops there.

Janssen is way stronger, works harder, bullies the strikers, and has some great hold up and link play compared to Soldado. He has way less experience at the top level than Soldado did and his finish against Millwall was pretty classy for guy not playing very much at all. So to say you don't see one thing from him is pretty baffling in my book and is a little bizarre.

I don't think we looked toothless today with him leading the line away to Burnely which has been extremely difficult for other clubs. I think earlier in the season, with or without Kane we would have looked toothless due to fatigue from the Euro's and our play being ridiculously passive and slow.

Just to add to that, we are the third highest scorers in the league, with 57, compared to the 42 from Man United, so i'm not really sure how the comparison with them bears any logic in this.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Janssen is way stronger, works harder, bullies the strikers, and has some great hold up and link play compared to Soldado

Bully, holding up the ball, great link up play ...did we really buy him for that or to score goals?His finish against Millwall was pretty classy for guy not playing very much at all.

To win a place in this side, and play in a team to win Trophies you need to offer more than that to a team. Finishing against Millwall (who were trounced) should be a pointer to nothing at the very top level.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[iddebu52]

Anything on Wynyama injury guys?

 

[Gb160]

Anything on Wynyama injury guys?

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs 4m4 minutes ago

#thfc Wanyama just walked past. Gave a thumbs up and said he's fine.

 

[danielneeds]

They'll have players back who were missing today, no more so than Zlatan

You can bet your bottom dollar that Jose won't want them to roll over and give Conte the title, too. It rankles with him all the love and plaudits his successor is getting at Stamford Bridge.

 

[nightgoat]

It shouldn't be underestimated how impressive a result that is. Whilst Burnley are now only five points above the relegation zone, that's mainly down to how shit they are away from home. Only Swansea (on the opening day of the season, where results can sometimes be a bit skewed), Man City and Arsenal (who needed an offside, handball goal in extra time after injury time) had won there before.

However, I think the timing of the fixture did help us a bit. Due to the FA Cup and having to change their fixtures to accommodate Liverpool, that was Burnley's first home league game since Chelsea in early February. They haven't won since they beat Leicester two months ago. When a team's away form is so shit, a run like that has got to take a bit out of them.

Also, credit has to be given to Pochettino for changing things around. Although the substitutions were enforced, we weren't getting much from the three at the back formation. The change at half time made a big difference and we were so much more threatening in the second half. Burnley replacing Gray (who has pace) with Vokes (who doesn't) also helped as they became less of a threat on the counter attack.

But this result should be a reminder to anyone who thinks we should have a set formation for every game, or that the success we've had playing three at the back means we should never return to 4-2-3-1. Burnley cancelled out Chelsea's 3-4-3 formation and Conte didn't have a plan B. Pochettino did.

 

[nightgoat]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs 4m4 minutes ago

#thfc Wanyama just walked past. Gave a thumbs up and said he's fine.

I got a knee in the small of the back like that playing football when I was younger, took over a month for the pain to completely go away. Fortunately it seems it won't be that bad, but then 15-year old me wasn't built like a tank like Wanyama is.

Barnes is shithouse thug, though. Should have been sent off in the game at the Lane as well.

 

[thinktank]

Ben Pearce‏@BenPearceSpurs 4m4 minutes ago

#thfc Wanyama just walked past. Gave a thumbs up and said he's fine.

 

[lennon180]

I loved and was proud of being a Spurs fan when we lost games like these...Now I'm shocked and saddened at the progress we are making as a title challenging team by dispatching clubs in hard away trips. I want my Spurs to be Spursy again.....just kidding I know this winning mentality has been happening for a few years now but what a result, I think the experience of last year has moulded a spirit into Poch and the players that is quite priceless. I thought we were great last year, this year I know we are.

 

[thinktank]

As for those going on about Dembele's lack of speed at moving the ball forward and saying how Winks should start ahead of him. Don't get me wrong, I love Winks and think we have a right gem there and was excited to see him start today, but when Dembele came on you saw the difference he brings in the middle of the park, he is an unbelievable CM that the opposition absolutely hate playing against and a shout out to Dier who looked so much more comfortable sat in front of the back 4.

We are lucky to have Dembele and lots on here know this and respect his talent, but some, oh lord, hang your heads in shame. I would have him over Pogba any day.

I think people are saying 'horses for courses' and start/use Winks more, especially in games where we can fully utilise his quick-release, precise passing and high tempo game.

I haven't seen anyone say Winks is a straight-up better player, start him ahead of Dembele forever.

This game obviously needed Dembele in midfield from the start and I think it was surprising to everyone - regardless of int'l duty - that he wasn't.