Match Threads Spurs vs Burnley - Match Thread - Day 25

[spursfan77]

Honestly, who cares what sky think, and frankly I particularly don't care about what the narrative is around Mourinho, neither one side nor the other. What happens at this club is the main thing and that's the only context in which to situate Mourinho. Today, was very good, it built on hints of improvement and we saw a top-class display. Just like one bad performance out of context shouldn't doesn't really mean much, the same should be taken with the reverse (there was a lot of positivity post West Brom too) but it's really promising stuff.

A few hours before the game I just felt bizarrely confident, I just felt that with Bale back in the team, and those attacking players, that we are capable of tonking them, and that we did. I certainly have a little more faith than this season can be salvaged compared to yesterday. But it's a long road ahead.

I just wanted to see his interview. What’s wrong with that?

Weird take.

 

[slartibartfast]

Great result and a good performance.
Not sure what Smith was on about saying we'd been clinical in front of goal. Missed some really good chances that should have been converted or at least on target.
Bale looked mustard today.
Nod to Sanchez. Still scares the shit out of me with the ball at his feet but played well today. Best performance in a while (probably because Toby was next to him not Dier) and he played well mid week as well. Hope he finally grows into the player we all hoped he would be.
Also thanks to Sky for interrupting the match with a split screen highlight of Man U/Chelsea players getting off the bus. Seriously what moronic dip shit at Sky thinks ANYONE ANYWHERE, Man U fan or not, wants to stop watching the game they are paying to view to see players getting off a fucking bus? Dickheads.
Maybe start another sports channel of just players getting off the bus and manager head shots. Throw in the odd celebrity in the crowd as well. No bugger would watch it but at least they could cut it out of the matches.
I feel better now.

 

[JayB]

Possibly, that's not the point I'm trying to make though. The rest of Europe, EUROPE, are behind us for goals scored, yet we're accused of playing turgid, boring Football.

On the American broadcast today the commentators mentioned we’ve played the most matches of any club in Europe’s top five leagues.

When you factor in that we had Europa League qualifiers against piss poor opposition and that England has an extra domestic cup competition (in which we got a very easy draw) I’m not sure this statistic is as impressive as it seems.

 

[buckley]

Regards Roy Keane and TV commentary when you of no consequence and nobody is really listening to you or taking note of what you say then say something rude or derogatory . As I said earlier he is just a rude prick who has nothing of consequence to say so to gain attention he reverts to his normal character rude arrogant disrespectful prick . I still haven't forgiven him for turning his back on Ireland and Mick Mc earthy .

 

[Ionman34]

On the American broadcast today the commentators mentioned we’ve played the most matches of any club in Europe’s top five leagues.

When you factor in that we had Europa League qualifiers against piss poor opposition and that England has an extra domestic cup competition (in which we got a very easy draw) I’m not sure this statistic is as impressive as it seems.

So only we had easy draws in the Europa? Okay.

The rest of the teams in the PL, who also played in those domestic competitions, are not in Europe?

And as for us playing more games, it's because we've gone further in those competitions by, you guessed it, scoring more goals.

The statistic is impressive because there are quite a number of free scoring sides in Europe, including the PL, but they're all behind us bar 1.

All the above is beside the point I was making though. Everyone and their dog has labelled our Football as turgid and boring, yet we're the second highest scorers in Europe.

Why you feel the need to denigrate that I don't know.

 

[C0YS]

A top analysis sir. I agree with your analysis on Pope.

My reservation on Hugo is a complete lack of command over the box. He stays on the line even when the ball is delivered directly into the 6 yard box.
I have never been a big fan of Hugo's style of keeping. It's much more reassuring when the team has a keeper who "controls" the box, rather than stays on the line and relies on reflex - there are too many uncertainties about where the ball can go after that. When there is a rock solid defence, then it probably works because its about saving the occasional shot which can creep through; but with a back 4 that does give the opposition chances, the keeper has to be a lot more controlling to add defensive stability. He lets in too much and is not getting any younger.

He has been very very poor for about two months now. Pope seems a much more commanding presence. He couldn’t do anything about any of the goals. We were simply too good.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Hugo does come out quite often, he's never going to be as imperious as Pope, as Pope has the height advantage, but Pope is on the tall side for a goalkeeper, and this can have problems in terms of getting down low for shots. So it comes with advantages and disadvantages.

I know that he stays on the line to ready himself for shots, Jimenez, our former goalkeeping coach is a big believer in that style, as is actually common with most Spanish goalkeepers. Lloris has mentioned that Jimenez promoted that habit, and considering Jimenez is a real innovator in goalkeeping coaching and all that I suspect he has good reason to believe so.

Lloris hasn't been poor for two months, he's been poor for about three games, and suddenly it becomes overblown and all that. Lloris is a bit error-prone, he isn't necessarily the best at crosses but is actually very proactive and happy to come of his line and sort problems before they become so. Mourinho demands a very different kind of game that under Poch and this does mean he doesn't do his sweeper keeping anymore.

When it comes to Lloris, what is a testament to his ability is just how highly rated he is by other top-level goalkeepers and former goalkeepers even when making mistakes, and he has the stats to back him up as well, consistently amongst the highest save percentages (last season he was first out of goalkeepers who played more than 20 games, more than 2% ahead of his rivals) this season he is a bit down on 5th, but that's still impressive and his consistency in this regard has been astonishing really. So you know whose top this season? Nick Pope.

The reason we should consider the likes of Pope arent because Lloris is suddenly shit, he's not, he's going through a bad patch right after, arguably, being in the form of his life. This happens to every goalkeeper and Lloris' reputation really hasn't been helped by errors he has made because of coaching decisions, namely the amount of responsibility Hugo Lloris was given in building attacks, which exposed him to mistakes. It might be that Lloris has reached a terminal decline, but it's not the most likely reason for his patchy form, partly because it hasn't been matched by significant statistical decline, which is what we've seen in the past with De Gea and Joe Hart for example. i.e. it suggests the errors are exceptions to still good all-round performances. This is normally something that top goalkeepers can turn around.

The reason to consider Pope in the future is, Lloris isn't getting any younger, he might still go on another 6 years, but it's just as likely he only has another 2 or so at the top level. Who knows, and most of all. Lloris is quite likely to want to leave. He has been here a long time, might want to go to PSG to play with a manager he absolutely adores, a goalkeeping coach he thinks is revolutionary and win a few trophies while doing it. and because of the eventual need to replace him anyway, maybe it isn't the worst idea to get someone else in, because more likely than not it's going to happen sooner rather than later anyway.

 

[C0YS]

I just wanted to see his interview. What’s wrong with that?

Weird take.

Ohh I misinterpreted what you wrote. I think it was the fact that I read 'worse' and not 'words'!

 

[hellava_tough]

Well done lads. Great performance today.

 

[JayB]

So only we had easy draws in the Europa? Okay.

The rest of the teams in the PL, who also played in those domestic competitions, are not in Europe?

And as for us playing more games, it's because we've gone further in those competitions by, you guessed it, scoring more goals.

The statistic is impressive because there are quite a number of free scoring sides in Europe, including the PL, but they're all behind us bar 1.

All the above is beside the point I was making though. Everyone and their dog has labelled our Football as turgid and boring, yet we're the second highest scorers in Europe.

Why you feel the need to denigrate that I don't know.

Everyone and their dog has labeled our football as turgid and boring because lots and lots and lots of the dross we've served up this season has fucking been turgid and boring. Scoring loads of goals against the likes of Plovdiv, Shkendija, Maccabi Haifa, LASK, Ludogorets, Marine, Wycombe, Stoke, and Wolfsberger doesn't change that.

I'm glad that Mourinho is starting to get the best out of Bale and Dele and am hopeful that we can salvage the season but we shouldn't rewrite history on the basis of a misleading statistic.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

My kind of footie.

 

[Navin R Johnson]

...Also thanks to Sky for interrupting the match with a split screen highlight of Man U/Chelsea players getting off the bus. Seriously what moronic dip shit at Sky thinks ANYONE ANYWHERE, Man U fan or not, wants to stop watching the game they are paying to view to see players getting off a fucking bus? Dickheads...

Isn't it just the Sky Sports equivalent of a YouTube unboxing video?

 

[slartibartfast]

Isn't it just the Sky Sports equivalent of a YouTube unboxing video?

Whats one of them then lol?
No, seriously. Whats that?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

 

[TropicalYid]

Solid performance. Specially happy about Bale...and also seeing Dele out there.

 

[Ionman34]

Everyone and their dog has labeled our football as turgid and boring because lots and lots and lots of the dross we've served up this season has fucking been turgid and boring. Scoring loads of goals against the likes of Plovdiv, Shkendija, Maccabi Haifa, LASK, Ludogorets, Marine, Wycombe, Stoke, and Wolfsberger doesn't change that.

I'm glad that Mourinho is starting to get the best out of Bale and Dele and am hopeful that we can salvage the season but we shouldn't rewrite history on the basis of a misleading statistic.

So you do actually believe that we are the only team in Europe to face lesser opposition both in Europe and domestically.

Righto.

Dropped the "we've played more games than anyone else" line too. Probably when those extra games amount to around 4 or 5 I'd guess.

The FACT of the matter is that we are the second highest scoring team in Europe. This just doesn't happen when your Football is "boring and turgid."

But you enjoy your personal little rain cloud you seem to be carrying around with you, I'm rather enjoying the sunny side of life.

 

[JayB]

So you do actually believe that we are the only team in Europe to face lesser opposition both in Europe and domestically.

Righto.

Dropped the "we've played more games than anyone else" line too. Probably when those extra games amount to around 4 or 5 I'd guess.

The FACT of the matter is that we are the second highest scoring team in Europe. This just doesn't happen when your Football is "boring and turgid."

But you enjoy your personal little rain cloud you seem to be carrying around with you, I'm rather enjoying the sunny side of life.

If you genuinely don't believe that our football has frequently been awful this season then I don't know what to tell you.

The fact of the matter is that we've played more matches than any other team in Europe this season. The fact of the matter is that a huge number of the goals we've scored have come against second rate opposition.

The fact of the matter is that we're seventh in goals scored in the Premier League despite an attack that includes Kane, Son, Bale, and Dele. That doesn't happen unless your football is boring and turgid. Surely that's a far better indication of the quality of the football that we've played than putting 7 past Maccabi Haifa.

 

[UbeAstard]

Everyone and their dog has labeled our football as turgid and boring because lots and lots and lots of the dross we've served up this season has fucking been turgid and boring. Scoring loads of goals against the likes of Plovdiv, Shkendija, Maccabi Haifa, LASK, Ludogorets, Marine, Wycombe, Stoke, and Wolfsberger doesn't change that.

I'm glad that Mourinho is starting to get the best out of Bale and Dele and am hopeful that we can salvage the season but we shouldn't rewrite history on the basis of a misleading statistic.

We have gone through 'turgid and boring' period's with JM eg end of last season then since the first Antwerp game I would say up until our West Brom match earlier this month. I would agree with you that about 70% can be put in the 'turgid' bin, but I can't forget we did have the turgid bin handy when Pocchetinho managed too, maybe not as often. I have seen improvements since the WBA game which has been stuttered by defensive blunders, but those improvements have given me a feeling that we are turning that corner.

 

[Wizzy77]

Among teams in the big-five European leagues, only Bayern Munich (102) have more goals in all competitions this season than Tottenham (94).

 

[JayB]

We have gone through 'turgid and boring' period's with JM eg end of last season then since the first Antwerp game I would say up until our West Brom match earlier this month. I would agree with you that about 70% can be put in the 'turgid' bin, but I can't forget we did have the turgid bin handy when Pocchetinho managed too, maybe not as often. I have seen improvements since the WBA game which has been stuttered by defensive blunders, but those improvements have given me a feeling that we are turning that corner.

As I said above I'm hopeful that we'll finish the season well, especially with Bale and Dele rounding into form and Lo Celso still to return from injury. I'm just not willing to overlook a long list of terrible performances on the basis of a statistic that is a function of the sheer number of matches we've played against terrible opposition.

Hopefully the good performances continue and we're able to climb back up the table and legitimately compete to lift the Europa League trophy. There's certainly cause for optimism.

 

[Casparian]

Good interview tbh,John Veal really should stop sucking helium.Dunno how Jose maintain's a straight face,Id go all Dyche if I had deal with it.