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spurs mental

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This is by far the best, most solid Spurs team I've seen in my lifetime. I grew up watching the likes of Gary Doherty in defence so I may have lower expectations than most, though.

You must be about the same age as me then.

It's been tough throughout the years being the root of jokes in school and work, but we are getting some sweet payback the last few years over Pool and United
 

mendesstormer

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Best CB partnership I've seen - Mabbutt and Gough. Best full-back partnership - Perryman and Hughton. Best keeper - Pat Jennings (just). Best defensive unit (including Dier shielding in front): the current one (by miles).
 

Trix

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Best CB partnership I've seen - Mabbutt and Gough. Best full-back partnership - Perryman and Hughton. Best keeper - Pat Jennings (just). Best defensive unit (including Dier shielding in front): the current one (by miles).

I'd put Ledley and Woodgate in the mix as well for a CB pairing.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Don_Felipe

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This is by far the best, most solid Spurs team I've seen in my lifetime. I grew up watching the likes of Gary Doherty in defence so I may have lower expectations than most, though.

Two words:

Stuart.

Nethercott.

*drops mic*
 
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pook

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As much as Dawson was a fans favourite I hope now everyone can see what a difference it makes having a set of defenders who are all comfortable on the ball, good positionally and read the game well - all glaring flaws in Daws game.

a bit harsh, imvho. even Dawson's most dedicated advocates will concede that he's not a fit for this system, but to suggest that his positional sense and reading of the game were 'glaring flaws' is a bit much. he was too slow for it, simple as.

it also strikes me as slightly odd - and this is not a complaint; these are good times and I'll never encourage bitching - that Toby knocks long diagonals left and right, and gets no flack for it, whatsoever. They are, admittedly, a bit better than Daws' were, but at least when Dawson did it, there was usually no one showing for the ball, whereas we currently have far greater ability to build from the back and less need for it when put under a bit of pressure. And while it's true that he wasn't as good on the ball as our current centerhalfs, Vertonghen was/is brilliant with it at his feet, yet he still made as many goal-costing errors under AVB/Tim as Dawson did.

Again, i'm not suggesting that either Toby or Verts now need criticism for such things, but it seemed to me that folks always felt (and apparently still do feel) oddly compelled to have a go at Michael Dawson.* I never quite got that.


*and, obviously, some still feel oddly compelled to defend him. :love::D:cautious:
 

mendesstormer

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Daws was a great servant of this club, and should always be respected for his contribution. The fact that we now have 2 superior CBs doesn't change that.
 

Trix

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a bit harsh, imvho. even Dawson's most dedicated advocates will concede that he's not a fit for this system, but to suggest that his positional sense and reading of the game were 'glaring flaws' is a bit much. he was too slow for it, simple as.

it also strikes me as slightly odd - and this is not a complaint; these are good times and I'll never encourage bitching - that Toby knocks long diagonals left and right, and gets no flack for it, whatsoever. They are, admittedly, a bit better than Daws' were, but at least when Dawson did it, there was usually no one showing for the ball, whereas we currently have far greater ability to build from the back and less need for it when put under a bit of pressure. And while it's true that he wasn't as good on the ball as our current centerhalfs, Vertonghen was/is brilliant with it at his feet, yet he still made as many goal-costing errors under AVB/Tim as Dawson did.

Again, i'm not suggesting that either Toby or Verts now need criticism for such things, but it seemed to me that folks always felt (and apparently still do feel) oddly compelled to have a go at Michael Dawson.* I never quite got that.


*and, obviously, some still feel oddly compelled to defend him. :love::D:cautious:
I doubt very much Toby would still be hitting the long diagonals if he were aiming for Defoe, Lennon, Ade etc. When you are hitting a long ball to players that have either little hope or in Ade's case little inclination to win them they are pointless hit and hopes, that usually end up with us being under pressure again. It was always about him making the wrong choice when he did it imo. Toby looking for Kane, Alli, Dembele, Chadli(players that will out fight a full back) or our over lapping full backs is a completely different as we are seeing now.
 

glospur

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I doubt very much Toby would still be hitting the long diagonals if he were aiming for Defoe, Lennon, Ade etc. When you are hitting a long ball to players that have either little hope or in Ade's case little inclination to win them they are pointless hit and hopes, that usually end up with us being under pressure again. It was always about him making the wrong choice when he did it imo. Toby looking for Kane, Alli, Dembele, Chadli(players that will out fight a full back) or our over lapping full backs is a completely different as we are seeing now.
Agree with this, although sometimes I think one of the CB's or Lloris will hit it long regardless of who is there so that the ball is in the opposition half and we can start our press. I feel like we do this quite often in the early parts of games so that if the opposition aren't immediately on their game we can nick the ball high up the pitch.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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I remember having a good home defensive record the season we finished 4th. Think Woody and Dawson at the back I think? Or was it mostly Ledley? Only concede 12 goals at home that season. Our goal difference was 26 at the end of the season which is what it actually is now. And that was much down to the fact we bum fucked Wigan 9-1.
You're getting your seasons mixed up. The incredible home defence was actually the year before we finished 4th - we were 8th and the defence was usually Woodgate and King. The following year our defence was great in general, and centre backs were Dawson with either King or Bassong depending on the obvious.
 

Syn_13

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I know we shouldn't fetishise this like gooners, but I've been watching Spurs since 1995, and I can't think of a time other than now that we've had a good defence....

S*l was good, Ledley was great, there have been a couple of OK attacking full backs (Carr, Ziege & some bloke called Gareth who's gone to Spain) - but I can't think of any time (apart from now) I've felt confident about our back line

When have we been better than now?

Carr was a lot better than OK. BAE did great for a few seasons too. Nonetheless, we've got a good selection of players with some strong choices and I too feel confident about our back line. Having Dier in front of them has been the icing on the cake and the key to our defensive success this season. Back in Redknapp's days we had a dedicated tackler in the middle with either Sandro or Parker, and it worked a charm. We kind of lost that after they left and AVB just couldn't get the balance right in our 4-2-3-1 formation. It got to the point where I was blaming the system, and I was wrong. It's just that we didn't have the right players. Having Dier as a dedicated DM who can drop back into defence when our full backs bomb forward has been fantastic.
 

spurs mental

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You're getting your seasons mixed up. The incredible home defence was actually the year before we finished 4th - we were 8th and the defence was usually Woodgate and King. The following year our defence was great in general, and centre backs were Dawson with either King or Bassong depending on the obvious.

Ah ye I've just looked it up. 10 home goals conceded in 08/09.
 

dudu

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It just makes me so happy to see the quality cover we have in our defensive areas.

I mean, I rarely thought I'd see us play with a better full back double than Justin Edinburgh and Dean Ausin but clearly we are finally there.

COYS
 

C0YS

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I guess if we'd seen more of them, I'd agree. Not sure how many times they actually played together but it didn't seem like many.

They played 27 times together conceding 27 goals when on the pitch together. Thats pretty good record, only letting more than 2 goals past them two times. That is 4 against Chelsea and 5 against Man Utd. Ignoring those two crazy games the record reads 25 games 18 goals, which would be better than our current defensive record in the PL. A very good partnership indeed.
 

fletch82

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Daws was a great servant of this club, and should always be respected for his contribution. The fact that we now have 2 superior CBs doesn't change that.

Loved Dawson
Still do anyone who stags him off blatantly stinks off soot and wee :dead:
 
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