Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3
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BringBack_leGin
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Surely if they VAR the penalty they should also VAR whether the offside guy who pushed Dier was interfering with play, and whether the ref was right to give Newcastle a free kick for their player clothes lining outs, no?
SpartanSpur
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I really want to play the 'should have put the game to bed' card but the way that goal happened is making it hard for me to play it.
Sometimes you just can't get that second and have to see the game out. Overall I think we did that well.
Firstly the free kick given in the first place is an absolute joke, if anything Hojbjerg was fouled. That is on the ref.
Secondly the rule changes for handball in both boxes are absolutely farcical and are being called out by pretty much everyone in football for that very reason. How can you be that out of touch?
Both of them have come together to screw us here. Absolutely gutting.
Sometimes you just can't get that second and have to see the game out. Overall I think we did that well.
Firstly the free kick given in the first place is an absolute joke, if anything Hojbjerg was fouled. That is on the ref.
Secondly the rule changes for handball in both boxes are absolutely farcical and are being called out by pretty much everyone in football for that very reason. How can you be that out of touch?
Both of them have come together to screw us here. Absolutely gutting.
double0
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The thing with common sense now a days is you're not allowed to apply it, even at work, you must follow procedures.
The problem is with the wording/interpretation of what handball is. The majority of people seeing that decision would say no pen but the ball hit Dier's hand and therefore the ruling is a joke because no way was that intentional.
CL final Mane deliberately kicked the ball at Sissoko's out stretched arm and we know the rest.
tommo84
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- Aug 15, 2005
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And this sums up the root cause of this whole sorry mess - the refs have written the rules in a way that makes their life easier, not in a way which protects/upholds the integrity of the game. The game has sold its soul in the name of referees’ self interest.
I don’t go into the wholesale conspiracy theories of institutional bias (even though I’m sure individuals are corrupt) but the refs and IFAB have wilfully damaged the game in an attempt to cover their arses by ensuring all criticism of their judgment is deflected onto the rules themselves. And comments like those by Souness just show that it’s working.
easley91
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Nobody is going to refuse to score a penalty. Especially a club who may be fighting relegation. That penalty could mean a lot in terms of finances in a pandemic.
rez9000
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But saying that suggests we have control over those things. Not even the best player in the history of football can ensure that every shot goes in, that they never hit the post, that the goalkeeper doesn't manage to make saves every single time. Sometimes you get goalies having worldies, or the team not quite getting the rub of the green. It happens. To then suggest that we failed in a duty to prevent the unpreventable is tantamount to saying that we are responsible.
There is no blame that one can cast on us today. The fact that Newcastle had zero shots on target is the perfect exemplar of that. We kept them out. It's doesn't matter if you score 1 or 10 or 100. They could not score. We did. That should be the end of the analysis. The fact that factors we couldn't control granted Newcastle a point they in no way, shape or form merited is not something we can legislate for.
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His hand was above his shoulder because Lascelles shoved him in the back. Free kick should have been given and so the handball shouldn’t even be considered.
wrd
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Mate they get shit wrong all the fucking time and don't get demoted, do you honestly believe anybody would bat an eyelid if he didn't give that as a pen? it wouldn't even be discussed right now. They literally consistently fucking get shit wrong as per their rules which is why this notion of binary referee decisions is a complete farce of an argument and why common sense can be applied whether the ref apologists want to admit it or not.
Plus fuck your bosses, show some integrity, you're there to govern the game in the spirit of the sport, not please some fucking bureaucrat who makes these shitty rules. Show some balls and make the correct footballing decision for the good of the game.
Mattspurs1982
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Any news on Son..?
lemony snickets
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It was batshit crazy call that has once again predictably gone against us, but nothing we say or do will change things now, so we move one. Sons injury is annoying to say the least, but and there’s always a but... This now gives Dele a chance to shine once again.
TheChosenOne
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- Dec 13, 2005
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The whole entire and utter weekend plus Monday and Tuesday is now turned to shite.
George94
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We did enough to win that game and were robbed of 3 points. Anyone blaming that result on our performance has their head in the sand.
We've got another 3 games next week in quick succession, there is no way we could have our foot on the pedal for 90 minutes.
wrd
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I promise you hand on heart, they're people with the integrity to ignore procedures if it's the correct ethical decision in the moment. People just have to have the tenacity to do so.
stov
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for me too. Add the sky hyperbole, toxic tribalism on social media, financial doping, corruption, and so on. I have reached my limit after 30 years of religiously following football.
SheffieldAndy
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Tbh the whole issue comes down to VAR here. They didn’t overturn a clear and obvious error from the referee in awarding the free kick that led to the goal.
The broadcast footage clearly shows it was an incorrect decision.
We call all moan or agree with the rules and interpretations thereof for the penalty, but if VAR did it’s job correctly, we shouldn’t be needing to.
The broadcast footage clearly shows it was an incorrect decision.
We call all moan or agree with the rules and interpretations thereof for the penalty, but if VAR did it’s job correctly, we shouldn’t be needing to.
