Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread - Day 3

[Deleted member 27995]

Common sense cannot be applied when the law is black and white.
The referees did not write the law (in fact I would guess the vast majority don't like it), but it their job to apply it, and unfortuantely for us they 100% applied it correctly.

He. Could. Not. See. The. Ball.

 

[chrissivad]

However that is irrelevant, because the offence Dier committed is in the top piece. The except for the above offences is only if the arm is within the bodyline which it wan't.

I can't see it saying that in the rules. Have you got a link or quote for it

 

[WiganSpur]

If players started refusing to take the penalty / purposefully missing them that were given in these circumstances, then maybe they'll have to start looking at it immediately.

But we all know that isn't going to happen.

All very well saying "if it goes your way, you take it" but until there is a unity between everyone that the rule is an absolute disgrace, nothing will change.

I think this can happen by players obviously shooting straight for defenders arms even when there’s a gap to shoot at goal. If exploitation became clear they’d soon drop the rule so I hope every club and player does this from now on.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Fine margins today as we lacked that killer instinct. Basically bent over to allow VAR to have its wicked way.

and VAR doesnt use lube

 

[wrd]

Common sense cannot be applied when the law is black and white.
The referees did not write the law (in fact I would guess the vast majority don't like it), but it their job to apply it, and unfortjuantely for us they 100% applied it correctly.

Even if they have applied the handball correctly, you seemingly ignore the freekick leading up to it and the push in the back. Common says can be applied because a human is making a decision, whether you want to admit that or not the ref makes the decision and he has it within his power to realise that the rule applied here would go against the spirit of the game.

 

[Beni]

Says it all. Lee Mason was today’s VAR official

 

[Marty]

Refs shouldn't just hide behind a rule book, they have a brain and can apply common sense.

But if they do that they will be chastised by their higher ups. FIFA (Collina as head of refereeing at FIFA) have forced this rule upon the PL so it's in sync with how the rule is applied in Spain and Italy. Who makes the rules? IFAB.

So IFAB are to blame.

 

[daz1979]

Today wasn't just the ridiculous penalty, it was the free kick leading up to it, our handball not being reviewed and many more. In the normal world, we could sack someone or take a speeding fine to court but in football we are all powerless to do anything about it.

The team played well today and we were unlucky not to score more. This result is 100% the failure of FIFA, FA or whoever makes the rules and appoints referees, and the person(s) responsible should be charged with negligence.

Football is loosing its appeal with these decisions - well it certainly is for me anyway.

 

[St José Dominguez]

So what do we do, or what can be done?
All well and good me, and us getting high blood pressures, and having the day completely ruined, people in FA are going about there days fine.

How does Mourinho, and co. address a. The crappy decisions, and b. Change how officials are towards us and lesser teams against the so called big 4?

Does it take Levy raising and dealing with it somehow? Make a stance that we do not want today’s ref referring us again for the season?

I don’t know, but unless somethings done outside of forums and we start to look after our own from the powers above, nothing is going to change.

Only way it be looked at is if every pen like that the taker just hoofs the penalty off for a throw in. Never gonna happen so stuck with it until they adjust it to some other nonsense next season.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

The entire phraseology of that sentence looks to cast blame on us. If that's not your meaning, then I can only apologise. However, it's not a misrepresentation...

I think we were robbed by a bad decision but we could and should have put the game to bed earlier. We were excellent in the first half but not so great in the second. I don't think we are to blame for the decision, but I think with improvement this team could be putting games like this away such that one unfair decision wouldn't be make or break for the result.

Is that such a crazy assessment of the game? Am I losing my mind?

 

[luRRka]

Actually the rules give them less scope then before. There is not much of a conspiracy that can be based on this rule that couldn't before.

I also don't think any of our claims were Pens, because 'objectively' the hands were in positions either 'forming a natural silhouette' and the hands well bellow shoulders.

In fact the problem is that the rule is just so random, and you can't play football with your hands always against your sides. It's just absurd.

Didn't realise Lascelles natural silhouette was the thriller dance. Does he usually keep his hands out like he's playing the piano? Poor bloke, surprised he managed to get into football

 

[wrd]

But if they do that they will be chastised by their higher ups. FIFA (Collina as head of refereeing at FIFA) have forced this rule upon the PL so it's in sync with how the rule is applied in Spain and Italy. Who makes the rules? IFAB.

So IFAB are to blame.

I know the IFAB have the most blame but the ref still is given the power to make a decision, whether people want to admit it or not, the rulebook can be ignored because a human is making a decision. He also got 2 decisions around that decision wrong as further evidence he is human.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

What is good game management?

Well it can’t be conceding free kicks and gradually retreating against the hoof to Carroll.

Only themselves to blame.

one goal isnever enough has been around longer than this stupid rule or var for good reason

Never a free kick in a million years though. Wilson misplaced a pass and then dived into PEH. Absolutely shocking decision.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

I know it was a bollocks penalty, but isn’t that Dier directly involved / culpable for 3 of our 4 conceded so far...

 

[Spurrific]

What a shock to see the “former premier league official” in here defending this bollocks.

 

[chrissivad]

The key word there is 'except for the above offences', so closeness is irrelevant because Dier's hand was above his shoulder.

Yeah, I missed this bit on first read

The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Fuck it. If anything this has only made me buy into the Mourinho siege mentality more than I was. When he knee slides down the touchline at Wembley when we go 2-0 in the 89th minute against Wigan in the Carabao Cup I'll be right behind him.

Fuck VAR.

Fuck the FA.

We're Spurs.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

That makes signing someone imperative , but with reduced income how much is left for transfers.

 

[George94]

I think this can happen by players obviously shooting straight for defenders arms even when there’s a gap to shoot at goal. If exploitation became clear they’d soon drop the rule so I hope every club and player does this from now on.

It needs a collective effort from clubs, totally in unison. Either refuse to score from these penalties, that way no team loses out / benefits from these decisions. Or purposefully target payers arms instead of the goal, to show how stupid it is, and each game will end up 8-5 with 10 penalties.

 

[Marty]

I know the IFAB have the most blame but the ref still is given the power to make a decision, whether people want to admit it or not, the rulebook can be ignored because a human is making a decision. He also got 2 decisions around that decision wrong as further evidence he is human.

But if the refs do that they will soon find themselves demoted. They literally can't win, they either piss off the fans or their bosses.

Now VAR creates inconsistency because it checks some decisions but not all. That was explicitly done to preserve some of the flow of the game.