HildoSpur
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Ehh… he won the Europa league just three years ago.
Jose Mourinho
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Ehh… he won the Europa league just three years ago.
PeeEyeEmPee
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The Europa League and League Cup don't quite scream "guaranteed winner" as loudly as leagues and Champions League titles did in the past, no matter how you spin it. The fact he tried to rebrand the Charity Shield as a major trophy is as big an indicator of his current standing as any. There was a time where the risks associated with appointing Mourinho were more than outweighed by the promise of near-guaranteed trophies. That's far from being the case now, no matter how much time we give him.
Let's not forget he spent A LOT of money at Man U, way more than he's going to get here. By all means give him time, I'm not saying we shouldn't, but which do you think is the likelier outcome - him winning something here or recreating his scorched-earth meme and leaving in acrimony yet again? I know which my money is on.
ultimateloner
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I agree that our progression is down to buying young but disagree that our decline is due to us stopping that.
We are still trying to give minutes to young players: Winks, Skipp, Tangaga etc.
I think we've failed to hit the jackpot in terms of discovering genuine PL-quality players: Kane and Walker are exceptions rather than norms, Dele was over-rated in the first place as people have figured him out.
I think it's not that we are not trying, we just haven't found someone who can convince on that level. We are aiming for bigger things than 10 years ago, so opportunities are harder to come by.
Shadydan
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Those trophies compare extremely favorably to the close but no cigar trophy we won in 2016/17 followed up by the almost silverware we picked up last May.
dudu
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I would have to agree.
-Afri-Coy-
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The 2017-18 season was long ago? Because that was when he won the FA cup and Finished second behind a brilliant run away City team.
dudu
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Definitely not taking anything away from him and I agree that a couple more experienced players would certainly have helped us in our endeavours under him.
ultimateloner
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I agree that Mourinho's stock has fallen, otherwise he wouldn't be with us in the first place. I also agree that its is likelier that he will repeat his old antics eventually and will crash and burn, 3 seasons tops. I hope he has reflected on his recent failures; I imagine it's very difficult for someone with his ego to actually think less of himself and act accordingly, especially given the stress and media exposure of the job.
I think you'd also agree though that experience and meticulous planning counts, especially in big games. He is a great tactician at setting us up to defend and counter, which suits our aging squad anyway. I think he is the right man for the upcoming austerity period for us (in terms of big name signings); he will steady us and hopefully get us CL/Europa for the next few seasons, and when he gets back to his old antics we can then appoint someone else to really change how we play.
Trix
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I don't need to spin it. We've won fuck all for 20 years. He's consistently won trophies everywhere he's been.
I only need to lol at the poll at the top of the page to know some on here are going to argue negatives at every given opportunity.
They are going to recite Bill Nic quotes, and wax lyrical about "the Tottenham way". At the same time completely missing the irony of calling Jose a footballing dinosaur.
Is he the right man for the job? I don't know but at least give the guy a chance.
dudu
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Who would you say that was available, based on their managerial records, would be more likely to win something here?
topper
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Agree. The two sets of fans who appear to continue to hold on to the dream of playing a particular way - Tottenham and West Ham - support teams who have won the square root of fuck all in decades.
emiley heskey
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What is west ham way ?? :/
Anyone that says " league cup and europa cup does not scream serial winner " from where I am sitting it is screaming out that this man is a winner also saying that it was 3 years ago are not taking into account that he took an 18 month sabbatical .
Some people talk as if we were or are serial winners when the reality is we are serial failures .
Just get real please we have a chance with Jose to win something .
All these other names Dyche / Potter / Hassenthal / and the many other names mentioned have one thing in common and that is they have won NOTHING . Why people can't get behind this bloke and give him a chance is beyond me .
Some people talk as if we were or are serial winners when the reality is we are serial failures .
Just get real please we have a chance with Jose to win something .
All these other names Dyche / Potter / Hassenthal / and the many other names mentioned have one thing in common and that is they have won NOTHING . Why people can't get behind this bloke and give him a chance is beyond me .
olliec
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I’ll take Europa!
ClintEastwould
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You also have to realize that some Spurs fans could care less of what anyone else thinks.
Albertbarich
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Most people don't even remember our last league cup final so winning one isn't going to turn anything around. The talk of patience is odd. The last chap took us to heights we hadn't seen in decades and loads of the fanbase went online everyday to hound him out and are still trying to dig him out for his achievements now, as if were used to getting to champions league final.
Our decline started when poch himself called for a rebuild. We lost the most crucial part of our team - the powerful full backs and replaced walker with a player with totally different attributes, rose lost it and again we never ever invested. Davies is kk but he isnt powerful or quick enough to be a top class modern full back.
And centre midfield. Dembele should have been replaced two years ago. Possibly by two players. He was so important at his peak but for the last year or so he wasn't the same player but no sign of a replacement until the very end.
So the board and lots of the fanbase lost patience after 5 magnificent years . Until the summer he had no money to spend and when he finally did he got no time to rebuild. Plus I'll admit it he looked deflated. Tired and fed up , he clearly wanted a fresh squad and levy was never going to give him that.
So we hire mourinho. Lets not forget before the season nearly every pundit had us top three. Jose came in bigging up the squad no end. He clearly thought he had enough.
Well we're eighth and barring the initial good run and Sundays win it has been utterly miserable. The worst football I've ever seen and when I say that I mean the most negative. Our star striker looks totally starved off service and the fans are more divided than ever.
Do I want to give him next season to watch the same mega defensive football in the small hope of a cup win? No , not at all. I get it after beating the scum nobody wants to hear me still show I dont want the manager. But I dont. Its no fun, the football is awful and hes an attention seeker.
It will take a lot more than one win to change my mind as it looks like were heading for a dark place vast swathes of the fans wont accept.
Everlasting Seconds
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I think very few "lost patience" with Pochettino. I think for most of us, it was more a question of seeing the writing on the wall and to not postpone the inevitable. Many, many, came out in fundamental support for Pochettino, but understanding the direction of the wind at the same time.
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ClintEastwould
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Some of us or at least me are also still very protective of this group of players and feel like Jose might be the final nail in the coffin for them.
Everlasting Seconds
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I wasn't sure if I should respond to this nonsensical post but I guess I should.
Criticism is allowed. As you can see page up and page down, loads of criticism of Mourinho all day long and twice as much come nightfall. Some of it even just. But you, my dear football fan, you aren't criticising. You are spreading foundation less hate. For instance belittling Davies, a player who has been devoted to Tottenham for six season and played under two managers, is all of the sudden not entitled to his opinions because they don't match with yours. I'm just pointing to one of many examples of which you are not presenting criticism, but negativity.
spurs mental
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Poch himself said he still wasnt over the CL Final defeat as were some of the players.
Sorry but that's a loser mentality and not one we needed at the time. We needed him to show strength to the players and help them get over it.
Also, it's not that there was never money to spend, but there is ITK to suggest Levy offered certain players to Poch when we didnt sign anyone and he refused as he felt they couldnt help us to improve. So we could well have gotten reinforcements or backups when we needed them but didnt.
Poch was given a chance after a rocky start. Mourinho should be afforded that too.
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