Jose Mourinho

chelmyid · Feb 22, 2020

dondo said:
Mourinho needs time, a lot of these players are broken/finished/adapting.
Give him a full pre season another 2 transfer windows and see where we are this time next season. It’s not a quick fix, it wasn’t with poch and it won’t be with Jose

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and it wouldn’t be a quick fix with any other manager in the world either

I’d love to run a Poll on the location, age and how long they have followed Tottenham of posters on this forum and then correlate them to their current views - would be a very interesting read I think

Ossie85 · Feb 22, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
Interesting on BT sport how crouch GudJohnson and Rio said son and Kane out is still no excuse to play so negatively and Gudjohnson and crouch as attacking players said they’d absolutely hate to play in a team who plays like this and when they’ve both done it before at Iceland and stoke respectively that it made them depressed as they come off the pitch exhausted feeling like they’ve not played football, doesn’t bode well and possibly a reason why Jose’s squads go sour as players just get sick of playing in this style these days.

This is spot on imo.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 22, 2020

philll said:
Really? You kept that quiet...

Haha

rossdapep · Feb 22, 2020

chelmyid said:
Not sure it optimism - it’s patience

It seems to have been lost this day and age!

I just keep referring to Jose's period at United and the last one at Chelsea.

Both his first seasons were quite dreary, not too many goals and a lack of real direction. Then he signed reinforcements that aligned with his style - Costa & Fabregas at Chelsea, Lukaku and Matic at United. Then suddenly both teams looked full of goals and his system worked perfectly.

How do people expect him to get things rolling without 50% of our goalscorers and no Eriksen (which I think ppl are brushing over far too easy)?

He needs a summer. He needs Kane and Son. He needs more options should Kane or Son get injured.

It's also not fair to blast him when Poch at least had Llorente or Janssen on the bench. We literally have no plan B.

Do people expect Jose to just suddenly adopt a high pressing approach? No coach just dramatically changes their way of coaching.

We just have to wait for next season as our situation means were in a mess regardless of the strategy and players we use.

Ossie85 · Feb 22, 2020

rossdapep said:
We also played with little rest, whilst Chelsea had two extra days.

Another point. Chelsea have a young and impressionable team, it would have been easier to motivate them than our lot today.

I don't think that's the point. It's not that we lost, it's how we lost. We look like a league 2 team away in the cup.
There's no excuse for that imo. Even if you are tired, and have no center forward, you can do a lot better than that. I'm not talking about being offensive. I think it's fair to be defensive in the conditions we are, but not to the extreme Mourinho is taking it.

rossdapep · Feb 22, 2020

Ossie85 said:
This is spot on imo.

Neither Stoke nor Iceland won many games and they certainly didn't win anything. So that should account for it. Also Crouch should recall one of his best moments for us came in the San Siro when we took a very defensive approach. Alternatively Inter players would die for Jose and would relish the battle, they were focused on the goal.

Whilst I do think United players may have felt that way, I also believe it's no problem if you're winning and you have fighters in the dressing room.

Caco · Feb 22, 2020

Jose needs two seasons to build a squad

This the same Jose that only spends two seasons at any club before it all goes to shit?
Best stadium in the league, best training facilities, all to have a tactic of Toby booting a long diagonal ball to a short forward, who would struggle to hold the ball up if he where playing against children.
Then having to listen to pundits go on about how fat Frank out foxed Jose with his tactics, it's embarrassing stuff.
Thank God the Irish league started back last week, at least Rovers know how to string a few passes together and who incidentally haven't had a natural striker for two seasons but still managed to put 6 past Cork on Friday.

rossdapep · Feb 22, 2020

Ossie85 said:
I don't think that's the point. It's not that we lost, it's how we lost. We look like a league 2 team away in the cup.
There's no excuse for that imo. Even if you are tired, and have no center forward, you can do a lot better than that. I'm not talking about being offensive. I think it's fair to be defensive in the conditions we are, but not to the extreme Mourinho is taking it.

I'm willing to give him leeway for the time being as I think its a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't situation'. However if we are seeing the same approach and performances next season I'll certainly be one of those wanting a change.

Johnny J · Feb 22, 2020

He should also give Parrott a chance. We are desperate for goals, have no one else who can play up top, are still in touching distance for fourth, and we have a very highly rated 18yo who I'm sure would fucking love to play. This is exactly the time to give him a go. What have we got to lose?

The crowd would get right behind him even if he struggles, because he's one of our own and it's an injury crisis. His confidence isn't going to crumble if he doesn't do well, but at least give it a go. Younger players than him have made it in the PL.

HW61 · Feb 22, 2020

Monkey boy said:
I just don’t know what to feel or think anymore. I’m not sure I even care anymore. Last time I felt like this was when Timmy was in charge.

Wow and that was a real low point ?. Hold in there mate. Be strong.

rez9000 · Feb 22, 2020

Jose out after three months? Christ, I thought Liverpool fans were self-entitled!

IamSpurtacus · Feb 22, 2020

Three mainstays out (including our top scorers over three seasons, with 100 goals between them) against a hated rival, away, two days after a CL game when they had no match and a week off

Let’s keep some perspective

The gap is four points but was 11 when Jose came.

There’s plenty of time to make it up

ToDarrenIsToDo · Feb 22, 2020

Robbiepope said:
I’ve seen enough, I want him gone.
The football is awful, and that won’t change with new players.

He's 3 months into his job and has just lost his two most prolific players. Mental how he seems to be getting judged because he is Jose

ToDarrenIsToDo · Feb 22, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
Interesting on BT sport how crouch GudJohnson and Rio said son and Kane out is still no excuse to play so negatively and Gudjohnson and crouch as attacking players said they’d absolutely hate to play in a team who plays like this and when they’ve both done it before at Iceland and stoke respectively that it made them depressed as they come off the pitch exhausted feeling like they’ve not played football, doesn’t bode well and possibly a reason why Jose’s squads go sour as players just get sick of playing in this style these days.

If we'd just played Burnley and Brighton I'd understand it, but we've just played the team that's one point behind a team that beat us 7-2 and Chelsea at a stadium where we've won once in 30 years. Both teams higher than we sit in their tables and the 3rd game played in 6 days. Leave off of them a little bit and screw the pundits for not seeing a little of that as well.

Johnny J · Feb 22, 2020

IamSpurtacus said:
There’s plenty of time to make it up

There would be if (1) we could stop conceding so many goals, and (2) score. Sadly we don't look capable of either.

fishhhandaricecake · Feb 22, 2020

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
He's 3 months into his job and has just lost his two most prolific players. Mental how he seems to be getting judged because he is Jose

IamSpurtacus said:
Three mainstays out (including our top scorers over three seasons, with 100 goals between them) against a hated rival, away, two days after a CL game when they had no match and a week off

Let’s keep some perspective

The gap is four points but was 11 when Jose came.

There’s plenty of time to make it up

All true but it’s the style of play so deep
And negative from minute one even at home and to l’lesser’ sides which is getting hard to watch every week.

JCRD · Feb 22, 2020

rossdapep said:
I'm willing to give him leeway for the time being as I think its a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't situation'. However if we are seeing the same approach and performances next season I'll certainly be one of those wanting a change.

The thing is it's not just time we are risking but a potential 100 odd million quid

alfie103 · Feb 22, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
All true but it’s the style of play so deep
And negative from minute one even at home and to l’lesser’ sides which is getting hard to watch every week.

There is no point playing higher up the pitch as most of our defenders aren't quick and most of the forward players haven't got the technical ability or creativity to play against sides who are parking the bus.

DanielJohnCosta · Feb 23, 2020

fortworthspur said:
oh there's a plan. people just dont like it. Id get used to it, because its what we've got till August at least. I agree its not pleasing on the eye, but if we can grind out enough 1-0 victories to qualify for CL again Jose will have succeeded.

ummmm grind out victories playing how we are? we'd be lucky to not concede 4-5 every game

Ben1 · Feb 23, 2020

DanielJohnCosta said:
ummmm grind out victories playing how we are? we'd be lucky to not concede 4-5 every game

Nail on the head. I can be sure that if we played defensively and showed the organisation or grit of Jose's Inter/Simeone's Atletico other night, people may get on board with it.

Its the fact we have 10 defensive players but still get ripped to shreds by basic passes through the centre of the pitch that frustrates most, I imagine.

Jose said he could fix the attack OR defence but not both. Well it was neither again today.

He needs time and points wise he's done great, but the process could be a struggle.

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