Jose Mourinho

[dondo]

Another 2 windows??

You mean another 3 unless we sign 5+ in the summer because we’ll sign fuck all of any note next January

And saying all that Dan has form on signing last minute giving his coaches even less time to work with them pre season!!

We are only 2/3 RIGHT signings away from being a nailed on top 4 team

 

[double0]

Again, I asked if you thought a progressive manager would have turned our club around within 5 months to which you said "why not." Then you changed to saying he is not right ling term.

Jose talks a lot so by all means tell me which thing he said that you are referring to but as you are incapable of discussing a point I see little value in it.

You're looking for an argument not a discussion and you finished off by being very childish but I'm not surprised as you have previous.
I answered your question even though you jumped into a discussion/question posed to someone else.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

We are only 2/3 RIGHT signings away from being a nailed on top 4 team

Competing for 4th, probably

Challenging for the Prem/CL/FA Cup/League Cup, absolutely no chance

 

[Caco]

Thought it was a wind up when he was installed as the favorite following Pochs departure, was pleasantly surprised with the performance in the first couple of games. Since then pure shite.
I am sick of listening to his pathetic excuses for the situation, he's the manager, it's his job to manage, but he is clearly incapable of doing so without a blank cheque.
I've watched nearly every game, although since we lost at home to Chelsea, I've done so knowing it'll put me in bad form. I knew we weren't going to win today, was surprised that we actually managed to get more than 30% possession, but we were incapable of playing anything that resembles football. As bad as we were against Brighton under Poch, we have played a lot worse since under Jose.
We've still to play Utd, Leicester and Arsenal at home this season and we are going to lose all three of those games. But what will make it so much worse is that we won't even try to win them, we'll just try not to lose.
What I wouldn't give for Poch back.

 

[double0]

Thought it was a wind up when he was installed as the favorite following Pochs departure, was pleasantly surprised with the performance in the first couple of games. Since then pure shite.
I am sick of listening to his pathetic excuses for the situation, he's the manager, it's his job to manage, but he is clearly incapable of doing so without a blank cheque.
I've watched nearly every game, although since we lost at home to Chelsea, I've done so knowing it'll put me in bad form. I knew we weren't going to win today, was surprised that we actually managed to get more than 30% possession, but we were incapable of playing anything that resembles football. As bad as we were against Brighton under Poch, we have played a lot worse since under Jose.
We've still to play Utd, Leicester and Arsenal at home this season and we are going to lose all three of those games. But what will make it so much worse is that we won't even try to win them, we'll just try not to lose.
What I wouldn't give for Poch back.

I feel you're pain

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Thought it was a wind up when he was installed as the favorite following Pochs departure, was pleasantly surprised with the performance in the first couple of games. Since then pure shite.
I am sick of listening to his pathetic excuses for the situation, he's the manager, it's his job to manage, but he is clearly incapable of doing so without a blank cheque.
I've watched nearly every game, although since we lost at home to Chelsea, I've done so knowing it'll put me in bad form. I knew we weren't going to win today, was surprised that we actually managed to get more than 30% possession, but we were incapable of playing anything that resembles football. As bad as we were against Brighton under Poch, we have played a lot worse since under Jose.
We've still to play Utd, Leicester and Arsenal at home this season and we are going to lose all three of those games. But what will make it so much worse is that we won't even try to win them, we'll just try not to lose.
What I wouldn't give for Poch back.

Yea the not trying to win style of football is soul destroying.

 

[rossdapep]

Given that Klopp got a crap Liverpool team playing a high pressing game against us in his first game at Liverpool so was setting his mark from day 1, I’d say yes someone like h8m would be doing things differently,

They would do but people tend to forget that Klopp's first two seasons were full of frustrating results for them. They'd press relentlessly for 60 mins then crumble in the last 30. In fact, even at the beginning of Klopp's third season (2nd full) people were comparing him to Rodgers and there was mutterings of "should be back sacked". He didn't seem to have the answer of stopping the goals. Then they sold Coutinho, signed VVD, signed Robertson, signed Alisson and all of a sudden they are solid at the back.

Klopp tried his way with the players he inherited but the team was still full of flaws. He needed time and those two windows to really sort it out. Afterall, it was a team that had hit heights under Rodgers but they'd lost Suarez and lost their drive.

Jose is in a similar situation, and people forget that he didn't actually start with the handbrakes off and let players go at teams. The result was almost blowing 3-0 leads. Then without a solid structure we failed against United and Chelsea. Because of this and because of Kanes injury he believes that defending deep and playing the counter attack is the answer. It nearly worked against Liverpool and did against City. Sons injury only solidified this approach.

Imagine if we'd have taken the game to City and Liverpool? Probably we'd be saying "We played well" but would likely have succumbed to a drubbing. Why? Because we don't have the attacking line to move the ball well in the final third. Lucas and Son need space in behind to really be effective.

So if Klopp, Pep, Nagelsmann or whoever came in, they'd have the same issues. A squad without Kane and Son, meaning we can't take the risk of playing high up the pitch, as we'd likely be more toothless - no Eriksen to dictate and be a threat, no Kane to be a magnate and finish moves, no Son to take his rocket shots around the penalty area. We'd likely ping the ball about but get sucker punched. So Jose has chosen another approach.

The problem is that has issues too. Noone to hold the ball up, too many defenders who have mistakes in them, a midfielder (who is key to this approach) struggling to find his way and struggling for fitness.

Look at our squad. Don't look at the names. Look at the player they have been over the last year or so. I'm not going to include the new players over the last year.

Aurier - only RB we've got, yet he's lacksadasical at returning to position and he's also poor at defending the ball behind. He's also never shown consistent form for us.

Toby - Experienced but not the rock he once was. He's not been at his best for 18 months- 2 years now.

Sanchez - Has been brilliant recently, which tells you Jose has got into him. He lost form in Poch's latter months due to being benched or put at RB. We need to stick with him.

Davies - only just returned from injury, but he's never really been anyone but a good stand in who is reliable but not spectacular.

Jan - Completely regressed, slow and players are burning past him. We can't move forward when we have defenders who can't keep up.

Dier - Had that illness and has looked so cumbersome and slow since returning. The question with Dier will be did having Dembele, Walker and Rose around him make him look better? Or has the illness done him.

Winks - There's a player there but he needs high energy midfielders around him as soon as he needs to cover for others he gets dragged everywhere and it effects his game. Admittedly he's not been as good as two years ago

Alli - Is a shadow of the player of 2-3 years ago. Looks lost and he suffers without Eriksen, Son and Kane.

Son - Had actually been a relatively consistent performer before his red card. Thought he was one player who had raised the bar. But now we've lost him.

Kane - hasn't been the complete Kane that we'd gotten used to but I don't think he's ever put in 5-6 consistent performances, plenty of games he'd do little but pop up with a winner. He does miss Eriksen though and he's had limited time with Lo Celso/Ndombele and he doesn't even know who Bergwijn is yet.

Gedson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn and Sessegnon have either had little time, struggling to settle or with injuries.

Our squad is split in 3 at the moment.
We've got new players who are still fitting in.
We've got 4 or 5 key players who we know will be firing again and can trust (Kane, Son, Sanchez, Hugo & Alli)
Then we've got a bunch of players who are either not good enough anymore (Jan, Sissoko, Dier), not fit for purpose (Lucas, Sissoko,) or not good enough (Aurier).

It's a mess, and you could put Klopp in charge and he'd play a high press and likely face the same issues Poch had.

The only way of fixing this is a big shuffle over the next 2 windows.

 

[chavkev]

I don't know how you guys stay optimistic. I just want Mourinho out as soon as possible. Awful negative football. We look like a lower league side away in the cup every week. The idea of having to watch him and watch us play like this for another 15 months saddens me.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

They would do but people tend to forget that Klopp's first two seasons were full of frustrating results for them. They'd press relentlessly for 60 mins then crumble in the last 30. In fact, even at the beginning of Klopp's third season (2nd full) people were comparing him to Rodgers and there was mutterings of "should be back sacked". He didn't seem to have the answer of stopping the goals. Then they sold Coutinho, signed VVD, signed Robertson, signed Alisson and all of a sudden they are solid at the back.

Klopp tried his way with the players he inherited but the team was still full of flaws. He needed time and those two windows to really sort it out. Afterall, it was a team that had hit heights under Rodgers but they'd lost Suarez and lost their drive.

Jose is in a similar situation, and people forget that he didn't actually start with the handbrakes off and let players go at teams. The result was almost blowing 3-0 leads. Then without a solid structure we failed against United and Chelsea. Because of this and because of Kanes injury he believes that defending deep and playing the counter attack is the answer. It nearly worked against Liverpool and did against City. Sons injury only solidified this approach.

Imagine if we'd have taken the game to City and Liverpool? Probably we'd be saying "We played well" but would likely have succumbed to a drubbing. Why? Because we don't have the attacking line to move the ball well in the final third. Lucas and Son need space in behind to really be effective.

So if Klopp, Pep, Nagelsmann or whoever came in, they'd have the same issues. A squad without Kane and Son, meaning we can't take the risk of playing high up the pitch, as we'd likely be more toothless - no Eriksen to dictate and be a threat, no Kane to be a magnate and finish moves, no Son to take his rocket shots around the penalty area. We'd likely ping the ball about but get sucker punched. So Jose has chosen another approach.

The problem is that has issues too. Noone to hold the ball up, too many defenders who have mistakes in them, a midfielder (who is key to this approach) struggling to find his way and struggling for fitness.

Look at our squad. Don't look at the names. Look at the player they have been over the last year or so. I'm not going to include the new players over the last year.

Aurier - only RB we've got, yet he's lacksadasical at returning to position and he's also poor at defending the ball behind. He's also never shown consistent form for us.

Toby - Experienced but not the rock he once was. He's not been at his best for 18 months- 2 years now.

Sanchez - Has been brilliant recently, which tells you Jose has got into him. He lost form in Poch's latter months due to being benched or put at RB. We need to stick with him.

Davies - only just returned from injury, but he's never really been anyone but a good stand in who is reliable but not spectacular.

Jan - Completely regressed, slow and players are burning past him. We can't move forward when we have defenders who can't keep up.

Dier - Had that illness and has looked so cumbersome and slow since returning. The question with Dier will be did having Dembele, Walker and Rose around him make him look better? Or has the illness done him.

Winks - There's a player there but he needs high energy midfielders around him as soon as he needs to cover for others he gets dragged everywhere and it effects his game. Admittedly he's not been as good as two years ago

Alli - Is a shadow of the player of 2-3 years ago. Looks lost and he suffers without Eriksen, Son and Kane.

Son - Had actually been a relatively consistent performer before his red card. Thought he was one player who had raised the bar. But now we've lost him.

Kane - hasn't been the complete Kane that we'd gotten used to but I don't think he's ever put in 5-6 consistent performances, plenty of games he'd do little but pop up with a winner. He does miss Eriksen though and he's had limited time with Lo Celso/Ndombele and he doesn't even know who Bergwijn is yet.

Gedson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn and Sessegnon have either had little time, struggling to settle or with injuries.

Our squad is split in 3 at the moment.
We've got new players who are still fitting in.
We've got 4 or 5 key players who we know will be firing again and can trust (Kane, Son, Sanchez, Hugo & Alli)
Then we've got a bunch of players who are either not good enough anymore (Jan, Sissoko, Dier), not fit for purpose (Lucas, Sissoko,) or not good enough (Aurier).

It's a mess, and you could put Klopp in charge and he'd play a high press and likely face the same issues Poch had.

The only way of fixing this is a big shuffle over the next 2 windows.

Very good post, a lot to agree with there and certainly not a simple issue

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I don't know how you guys stay optimistic. I just want Mourinho out as soon as possible. Awful negative football. We look like a lower league side away in the cup every week. The idea of having to watch him and watch us play like this for another 15 months saddens me.

Starting to agree

 

[Robbiepope]

I’ve seen enough, I want him gone.
The football is awful, and that won’t change with new players.

 

[chelmyid]

My patience with Mourinho has gone already. He has had bad luck with injuries but he’s had plenty of luck getting results from games where we were comfortably second best. Ultimately I just hate his brand of football. Leipzig was the perfect example - a good atmosphere before the game - everyone’s had a few drinks - home champions league knockout game against a team we are more than capable of beating and Mourinho’s passive conservative tactics killed the atmosphere within 5mins. Even if we somehow get a result against teams, (Villa, Southampton, etc) it’s awful to watch - getting outplayed by Villa... what is to enjoy? I know Poch had a poor second half of last season and start to this but for me he had more than earnt the right to be given more time and more signings to turn things around - it’s so sad to think Poch is gone and will, I am sure, be a success wherever he ends up, whilst we are left to watch atmosphere and confidence-killing Mourinho-ball. What concerns me is there is no way our players will be enjoying playing this football - Alli’s reaction on Weds said it all for me - we have so little of the ball and so little ambition that our good players have no opportunity to shine. Lo Celso - he can’t be enjoying playing like this... the players will get frustrated and want out if we wait too long to get rid of JM. Why is he talking down Moura and Parrott when we most need them? To protect himself. Typical JM. Poch would never have done that. He would have got a tune out of them, I’m sure. The Players let Poch down and now they are paying for it. Levy has generally been great for the club but he got this one badly wrong. I would have Poch back in a heartbeat (and I bet the players would) but assuming that’s never going to happen I would cut our losses with JM now and bring in a young progressive coach and get the feelgood feeling back. To dare is to do... Mourinho-ball couldn’t me more the antithesis to that. It was never going to be a good fit. A manager who plays awful football and spends big but wins trophy at a club that doesn’t tend to spend big, doesn’t win a lot of trophies but has a fan base that accepts that if they are entertained and we take the game to the opposition. It’s such a shame.

You will never move forward if you continue to pine after poch

it’s done mate - move on

 

[dondo]

Competing for 4th, probably

Challenging for the Prem/CL/FA Cup/League Cup, absolutely no chance

So what is your solution for a league challenging team in the next 18 months? Without spending billions, which isn’t going to happen?

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

It's not unrealistic to have a progressive plan IMO.
It's a tough one because I see Mourinho as a winner his got the medals as proof. There is a sense though his tactics and methods of late post Kane and Son are outdated. I guess we need to wait and see.

George Graham was a winner before he came here..

 

[fortworthspur]

we need some reality here - before today's match Spurs were third in points since JM was appointed.

 

[philll]

Starting to agree

Really? You kept that quiet...

 

[FinnYid]

George Graham was a winner before he came here..

Well, he also got one of our two trophies in last 20 years.

 

[rossdapep]

we need some reality here - before today's match Spurs were third in points since JM was appointed.

We also played with little rest, whilst Chelsea had two extra days.

Another point. Chelsea have a young and impressionable team, it would have been easier to motivate them than our lot today.

 

[chelmyid]

I don't know how you guys stay optimistic. I just want Mourinho out as soon as possible. Awful negative football. We look like a lower league side away in the cup every week. The idea of having to watch him and watch us play like this for another 15 months saddens me.

Not sure it optimism - it’s patience

It seems to have been lost this day and age!

 

[kaz Hirai]

Thought it was a wind up when he was installed as the favorite following Pochs departure, was pleasantly surprised with the performance in the first couple of games. Since then pure shite.
I am sick of listening to his pathetic excuses for the situation, he's the manager, it's his job to manage, but he is clearly incapable of doing so without a blank cheque.
I've watched nearly every game, although since we lost at home to Chelsea, I've done so knowing it'll put me in bad form. I knew we weren't going to win today, was surprised that we actually managed to get more than 30% possession, but we were incapable of playing anything that resembles football. As bad as we were against Brighton under Poch, we have played a lot worse since under Jose.
We've still to play Utd, Leicester and Arsenal at home this season and we are going to lose all three of those games. But what will make it so much worse is that we won't even try to win them, we'll just try not to lose.
What I wouldn't give for Poch back.

I think if we play this way against arsenal at home, scared, all out defence, no possession, soaking up waves of arsenal attacks at our home ground it could quickly turn the crowd on him if we don't pull off a flukey tactical masterclass win at the end of it