Match Threads Spurs Vs Frankfurt

[PCozzie]

Regarding the subs and how it affected us; the players who started the match knew how hard they'd had to work to be in control of the game. They were working so hard, and in so much control, that it can seem easy if you're watching from the bench. If those same players on the bench have been away from the game for a long time (Lucas, Skipp) , or generally not getting many minutes (Sanchez, Gill, Bissouma) then it's easy to underestimate how quickly you need to get up to match speed. We ended up with 5 players who were a yard off the pace.

Every minute is useful, so irrespective of how close we came to chucking an excellent 60 minutes in the bin it was important for the wider squad to get on the pitch. We're going to need them a lot more in the next 6 weeks.

 

[homer hotspur]

Just as a general comment I thought Frankfurt were exceedingly lucky not to finish the game with 8 men. The ref took an extreme amount of pity on that Hasebe, and then the defender who just gave up and brought down Gil was making zero attempt to play the ball and was last man.

Ref could definitely have been harsher on their transgressions.

ref bottled a 2nd yellow for Hasebe who then played a tactical injury tactic ( most likely) not that it should have saved him

 

[slartibartfast]

Easy to say after the fact, but that was the first time in a long time I didn't feel confident about Kane taking a pen.

He was clearly blowing out of his arse and he did something weird in his run up. Just looked totally knackered and not his usual pre-pen self.

I said same thing, told Mrs he's gonna Sky this.
Great goal from Son.
We're definitely playing better, more on the front foot.
Someone is gonna get a thumping soon when all these chances go in, and they will. Hopefully against Newcastle as I'm going to that match.

 

[Timberwolf]

Royal is such a weird player. So rubbish in many ways but also made about 3 fantastic clean tackles in our box that would have people creaming themselves if Romero made them.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Pipe down sir, if your retort is to go in this direction you have already lost the argument

What are you implying? ?

 

[rossdapep]

I thought for a while that Conte was holding us back but he is in fact overachieving with this squad. Look beyond the few top stars we have and it's bang average. And the bad players are holding us back. Massive, sustained investment in better players needed.

I think this is the truth.

A lot of these players can go on a five game run where they do well but they are always capable of shitting the bed or going missing.

It's the same ones making the same mistakes.

Sanchez will do well for a few games then cost us a big goal.
Dier will look quite solid then do something stupid.
Emerson will have a spell where he looks good defensively but then makes a big error.
Even Kane and Lloris will do something from time to time, although these 2 are far from a problem.

Next window we need to upgrade certain positions (WB, CB, CM) and get a bit better attacking rotation options.

 

[fridgemagnet]

How is this happening, we should be 4 or 5 up. Just lacking composure here

Aside from individual cock-ups; I think two of the key problems were Bentancur going off either to rest him or because he was on a card meaning we lost his passing range and tempo and the other was Dier going off for one of the same reasons meaning Romero in the centre of a 3 (which I'm not convinced he's the greatest at)
Yes most of the midfield changes should've meant easy control and see the game out but in putting in Skipp & Bissey who haven't had a lot of game time let alone together and at this level of competition.
I know they need game time and we need to rotate but all of those changes plus a formation switch didn't help.

Then he threw on a very very off it Lucas for Sonny (which I get as we need to rotate) but I question doing it with all those other changes; I know he was looking dangerous and on a hat-trick but I'd have kept Richy on over Sonny and had two physical presences up top for the 3-5-2.

I'm never entirely convinced by Sanchez next to Emerson either but I think it's made worse when you don't have Dier in the centre talking Sanchez through the game.

Them somehow not going down to 9 men helped but we should still have been fine but I do think you can look at that Bentancur sub, we definitely need another CM with some passing range about them and I can fully see why we were desperate for a CCB that can cover/competition for Dier.

Ultimately they should never have got the corner they scored from; Emerson's mistake and Hugo probably shouldn't have spilled the mop up and Romero/Emerson allowed the free header too (as I say I'm not convinced Romero in the centre of a 3, he may well grow into it's just my own observations)

Just my opinions.

 

[DiamondLites]

I need a smoke after that.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I can see him going on loan in January and that would be 2 years without any real progression into the first 11 - I assume he has a 5 year deal until July 2026 so perhaps another season in him before we have to pull the trigger one way or the other.

Given our improved squad depth it will be interesting to see if Gil plays and how he performs in the domestic cups.

Yes he’s lightweight and may be trying a little too hard but he’s certainly got something about him. You just want it to click into place for him and finally get his Spurs career going in the right direction.

 

[cunn1ngstunt]

What are you implying? ?

I think you’ve answered your own question

 

[rossdapep]

top in our CL group and 3rd in the league having just lost a single PL game.

I agree we can always improve and get better but bang average is just plain wrong (an Emerson or so aside)

I do think some of the players sadly are. They are full of effort and can do well in small streaks but they also are not too far away from a silly error.

They are not poor players, just in order for us to win something we are going to need some improvements.

 

[homer hotspur]

This is true and people disagreeing?

How can you defend the fact they went down to 10 mean and we STILL let them pull another goal back?

It just isn’t good enough and embarrassing to be honest.

it does happen you know.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I missed the last minute, did we draw?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Royal is such a weird player. So rubbish in some ways but also made about 3 fantastic clean tackles in our box.

It’s just yet another example of an increasingly obvious trend, which is that fans commenting here only focus on Spurs’ attacking play.

Our defence only features in the discussion when there is a mistake and all attacking threats from the opposition are the result of Spurs’ defensive errors.

In reality, our defence is winning us matches and Emerson is a solid, sometimes excellent defender.

I’m pretty sure that’s why Spence isn’t getting on the pitch. Emerson can follow instructions and defend, whereas I reckon Spence can’t.

 

[kd2000]

3-1 up against 10 men and he still won’t play Spence. How bad does Royale have to be before this boy gets a game. I would take anyone at right back over this boy. As soon as the ball goes to him I just switch Off. Not sure I’ve had that with any other player for 40 years as a fan.

Some friends who are Boro fans said they reckon within a year he would be on loan at a Millwall or Charlton level team. At this rate they may be right

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I thought for a while that Conte was holding us back but he is in fact overachieving with this squad. Look beyond the few top stars we have and it's bang average. And the bad players are holding us back. Massive, sustained investment in better players needed.

Not sure why you’d ever think one of probably the best 3 managers in the world from the past 5 years would be holding us back… but as for your other analysis yes he is getting absolutely the maximum out of this squad and every player that he can but it is not an average squad, we now have a good 11-12 top top players (Lloris, Romero, Dier, Lenglet, Perisic, PEH, Bentancur, Bissouma, Kulu, Richy, Son, Kane) but yes as conte has said, 2 more transfer windows needed.

 

[freeeki]

Only on here could a victory and going top of the group “feel like a loss” and be used as a stick to beat the manager and the players with.

Fuck me swinging.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I missed the last minute, did we draw?

Based on the usual match thread vibe you’d assume we’d lost again ?

Bryan Gil turned into Ricky Villa and we clung on

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Regarding the subs and how it affected us; the players who started the match knew how hard they'd had to work to be in control of the game. They were working so hard, and in so much control, that it can seem easy if you're watching from the bench. If those same players on the bench have been away from the game for a long time (Lucas, Skipp) , or generally not getting many minutes (Sanchez, Gill, Bissouma) then it's easy to underestimate how quickly you need to get up to match speed. We ended up with 5 players who were a yard off the pace.

Every minute is useful, so irrespective of how close we came to chucking an excellent 60 minutes in the bin it was important for the wider squad to get on the pitch. We're going to need them a lot more in the next 6 weeks.

We would have been better off sticking with a 352 and making player changes that allowed us to stick with this formation as opposed to having to revert back to 343 to accommodate the wholesale changes.

 

[soflapaul]

It’s just yet another example of an increasingly obvious trend, which is that fans commenting here only focus on Spurs’ attacking play.

Our defence only features in the discussion when there is a mistake and all attacking threats from the opposition are the result of Spurs’ defensive errors.

In reality, our defence is winning us matches and Emerson is a solid, sometimes excellent defender.

I’m pretty sure that’s why Spence isn’t getting in the pitch. Emerson can follow instructions and defend, whereas I reckon Spence can’t.

Exactly. Royal has awful moments in defense and in offense but i'm betting that he is currently playing the role better than anyone else. AC made it pretty clear that he doesn't play players to lose. He plays them because he wants to win and he is a systems coach. Emerson gets it.

I'm a bit surprised though as i thought Doherty had made great strides at playing the position well. wish we could see the post game evaluations of the individual performances. that would shed a whole lotta light on why we often don't come to the same conclusions that the coaches do.