Tom Carroll

[tobbi]

In my living memory.

If you're going to quote something, do at least read it

How old are you then Ledly only quit 2 seasons ago

 

[absolute bobbins]

Woy's Want

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408122/Roy-Hodgson-fears-Premier-League-talent-blockers.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Love the picture they have used in the article.

Woy should wook cwoser to home!

THe FA didn't want to take Carroll to the U21s or involve him in any other squad, yet we must give him all the first team games Woy deems necessary?
Fuck right off

 

[FinnYid]

Woy should wook cwoser to home!

THe FA didn't want to take Carroll to the U21s or involve him in any other squad, yet we must give him all the first team games Woy deems necessary?
Fuck right off

The FA have given him 1 U19 cap and 2 U21 caps, yet they think we should be playing him? Something's not right there Roy.

 

[Spurs1960]

Ok, who will we sell to get him into squad? Eriksen or Holtby? Or perhaps he takes space from one of our box-to-box midfielders, Paulinho or Dembele? It won't be any easier in a years time unless we sell someone.

Sigurdsson, Townsend, Lennon could both be sold. We have a versitile squad where players can play in several positions so we may go with only 3 wingers next season.

Suggesting what we do in a year time with a player is unrealistic. A player could get knocked down by a bus or brake a leg and the issue might not even arise. It's something you consider then not now.

Who is to guarantee Eriksen will be a success for instance, he could flop, other purchases have.

You develop him now and look at it then, he might turn out to be a better player than Holtby or Eriksen, do you then pick them because you prefer their names?

Optimism is a far better quality than pessimism.

 

[FinnYid]

Sigurdsson, Townsend, Lennon could both be sold. We have a versitile squad where players can play in several positions so we may go with only 3 wingers next season.

But none of those being sold should have much bearance on the future of Tom as they're clerly up for completely different kind of roles. Anyway despite being different kind of player, can't see him reaching levels of Siggy or Lennon.

Suggesting what we do in a year time with a player is unrealistic. A player could get knocked down by a bus or brake a leg and the issue might not even arise. It's something you consider then not now.

Only route I've suggested is to send him on loan for best possible club that is willing to take and give him regular football. And unless something changes drastically, it's the same for next summer too.

Who is to guarantee Eriksen will be a success for instance, he could flop, other purchases have.

Who is to guarantee Carroll has future in top two league tiers, let alone top 4 team?

You develop him now and look at it then, he might turn out to be a better player than Holtby or Eriksen, do you then pick them because you prefer their names?

Optimism is a far better quality than pessimism.

Been here before so many times before, so prefer realism.

 

[Spurs1960]

But none of those being sold should have much bearance on the future of Tom as they're clerly up for completely different kind of roles. Anyway despite being different kind of player, can't see him reaching levels of Siggy or Lennon.

You are wrongly assuming we have to play the same way, we have to have the same type of squad and he has to replace a player like himself, none of which are true.

Only route I've suggested is to send him on loan for best possible club that is willing to take and give him regular football. And unless something changes drastically, it's the same for next summer too.

You are stuck with your false assumption that things will be the same next season as they are now when you have absolutely no idea what the situation will really be.

Who is to guarantee Carroll has future in top two league tiers, let alone top 4 team?

Nobody, that's why I say loan him out now and assess in a years time, not now as you are doing.

Been here before so many times before, so prefer realism.

All you are talking about is theoretical fantasy. You haven't talked about realism. You have decided his next years future now, that isn't any sort of realism I am aware of.

 

[FinnYid]

You are wrongly assuming we have to play the same way, we have to have the same type of squad and he has to replace a player like himself, none of which are true.

No I'm not, but we have shitloads of quality on central areas and that won't change unless we sell someone. Or are you suggesting fielding 10 central midfielders and goalie just to accomodate youth team product you happen to like?

You are stuck with your false assumption that things will be the same next season as they are now when you have absolutely no idea what the situation will really be.

My assumption is that we won't have yet another squad overhaul. Moreover I assume Tom C who didn't set the world on fire on his loan and hasn't been noticed at youth international set up will miraculously jump ahead of players about same age who have done quite a lot on their career. I'd like him to perform, I just hate this mentality of hyping up our youth players based on little to nothing only to turn against them when they actually get into squad and aren't really among top performers. Not really fair in my eyes.

All you are talking about is theoretical fantasy. You haven't talked about realism. You have decided his next years future now, that isn't any sort of realism I am aware of.

I'm talking about what he is now, based on what I've seen and read about his loans. You on the other hand seem to think there is superstar in the hiding there based on....?

 

[Spurs1960]

No I'm not, but we have shitloads of quality on central areas and that won't change unless we sell someone. Or are you suggesting fielding 10 central midfielders and goalie just to accomodate youth team product you happen to like?

Who knows what midfielders we will have in a years time, I don't. I don't know who is going to be a success and who isn't. I don't know who will settle and if anyone won't. I don't know if the players will be happy or if they will want to leave when they are not playing in the big games. I have no idea what the situation will be in a year so I'm not suggesting making any decisions now as you are insistent on doing. I'm suggesting developing a player and not giving up on him already as you suggest.

My assumption is that we won't have yet another squad overhaul. Moreover I assume Tom C who didn't set the world on fire on his loan and hasn't been noticed at youth international set up will miraculously jump ahead of players about same age who have done quite a lot on their career. I'd like him to perform, I just hate this mentality of hyping up our youth players based on little to nothing only to turn against them when they actually get into squad and aren't really among top performers. Not really fair in my eyes.

So you would have sold Gareth Bale to Nottingham Forest for £3 million, great business. Bale wasn't setting the world alight but under your senario for Carroll we wouldn't have him now to sell for £86 million. You have dismissed Carroll without knowing what player he can become or what player he will be after a years loan. I'm not, I'm advocating seeing what he is like then and making a decision then, that's realism.

I'm talking about what he is now, based on what I've seen and read about his loans. You on the other hand seem to think there is superstar in the hiding there based on....?

You are reading what you want to read not what I've said. I have merely pointed out to you the lad has potential and after a years loan he should be assessed then and not dismissed now and not then being able to get in our squad then as you are saying.

Quite different from your misinterpretations, which I presume are deliberate.

 

[FinnYid]

Who knows what midfielders we will have in a years time, I don't. I don't know who is going to be a success and who isn't. I don't know who will settle and if anyone won't. I don't know if the players will be happy or if they will want to leave when they are not playing in the big games. I have no idea what the situation will be in a year so I'm not suggesting making any decisions now as you are insistent on doing. I'm suggesting developing a player and not giving up on him already as you suggest.

Well, I've just suggested loaning him out and pointing out it's unlikely we will have use in years time. Anything is possible, but it's the likely scenario. And I've no problem with that, if he is moderate success on his loan stint, we'll just loan him out again.

So you would have sold Gareth Bale to Nottingham Forest for £3 million, great business. Bale wasn't setting the world alight but under your senario for Carroll we wouldn't have him now to sell for £86 million.

Bale was setting the world on fire compared to Carroll, it's just absurd comparison. Bale had been on Championship XI of the year, had been voted as Young Player of the Year in Football League and had had good and promising performances for us. There is 3 years age difference between Tom Carroll and Gareth Bale, now where was Gareth three years ago? Certainly not on the brink of Championship loan, but a Welsh Footballer of the Year, Spurs young player of the year and had been just chosen april PL player of the month and had 76 games for Spurs under his belt. Besides no one was selling Gareth to Forest.

You have dismissed Carroll without knowing what player he can become or what player he will be after a years loan. I'm not, I'm advocating seeing what he is like then and making a decision then, that's realism.

I'm not dismissing him and I've been advocating for loan, however he is 21 and unlikely to become any sort of superstar. Or if that is dismissing, so be it. I'm not seeing Harry Kane as breaking Shearers goalscoring records, is that dismissing too?

 

[Spurs1960]

Bale was setting the world on fire compared to Carroll, it's just absurd comparison. Bale had been on Championship XI of the year, had been voted as Young Player of the Year in Football League and had had good and promising performances for us. There is 3 years age difference between Tom Carroll and Gareth Bale, now where was Gareth three years ago? Certainly not on the brink of Championship loan, but a Welsh Footballer of the Year, Spurs young player of the year and had been just chosen april PL player of the month and had 76 games for Spurs under his belt. Besides no one was selling Gareth to Forest.

You totally miss the point. I am not making a direct comparison.

I am pointing out Gareth Bale was nearly sold and given up on and look what happened. Therefore don't give up on people so easily and assume every purchase will be a success.

I am not saying Tom Carroll is going to be in Bale league I'm merely saying wait until we know more in a years time rather that deciding fate his fate in a years time, now. That is what our coaching staff will do.

 

[kohn]

Sell him if the bid is right.

Really loved the potential Thomas have, but we can't ever fit him in our plans, with the depth we already have in the deep midfield.

If we can get a couple of millions for him, a resale % clauses, and appearance clauses.. Sell, and we'll move on. All the best luck to lad however.. Going to be missed in some way

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Sell him if the bid is right.

Really loved the potential Thomas have, but we can't ever fit him in our plans, with the depth we already have in the deep midfield.

If we can get a couple of millions for him, a resale % clauses, and appearance clauses.. Sell, and we'll move on. All the best luck to lad however.. Going to be missed in some way

Could you also possibly tell me the numbers for the next lottery draw, please? How on earth can you make such a statement? You have no idea whatsoever whether this "depth" is going to be affected by a broken leg, a bigger club willing to pay more crazy money etc etc etc. Yet you say "we can't ever fit him in our plans"? Sorry fella but that's just plain crazy talk.

 

[FinnYid]

You totally miss the point. I am not making a direct comparison.

I am pointing out Gareth Bale was nearly sold and given up on and look what happened.

Thing is he wasn't, it's rewriting history. Forest and Davies wanted to buy, we weren't selling. Even Gareth himself said he was close to joining them on loan, not on permanent transfer.

Therefore don't give up on people so easily and assume every purchase will be a success.

I'm not, far from it. Besides want a comparison to Bale, try Siggy. Has peformed well before joining us, been bit unlucky and hasn't found his place on his first year, but proven talent is there. Of course not the talent Bale is, but proven talent nontheless.

I am not saying Tom Carroll is going to be in Bale league I'm merely saying wait until we know more in a years time rather that deciding fate his fate in a years time, now. That is what our coaching staff will do.

I'm saying he is not going to be in Bales league. Anyway I've been for loaning him out for whole window.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Sell him if the bid is right.

Really loved the potential Thomas have, but we can't ever fit him in our plans, with the depth we already have in the deep midfield.

If we can get a couple of millions for him, a resale % clauses, and appearance clauses.. Sell, and we'll move on. All the best luck to lad however.. Going to be missed in some way

Man, I could not disagree with this post more.

 

[kohn]

Could you also possibly tell me the numbers for the next lottery draw, please? How on earth can you make such a statement? You have no idea whatsoever whether this "depth" is going to be affected by a broken leg, a bigger club willing to pay more crazy money etc etc etc. Yet you say "we can't ever fit him in our plans"? Sorry fella but that's just plain crazy talk.

My point being.. Should we loan him out the next 1-2years? He got too much potential to just be a sub or backup. He could shine at QPR, and we can reap the benefits now, and later..

I value ur opinion highly, but still. However think he deserves more regular first team football, now, than later.

Let's just say, I don't really disagree with you, but nor do I completely agree.

 

[Spurs1960]

Thing is he wasn't, it's rewriting history. Forest and Davies wanted to buy, we weren't selling. Even Gareth himself said he was close to joining them on loan, not on permanent transfer.



I'm not, far from it. Besides want a comparison to Bale, try Siggy. Has peformed well before joining us, been bit unlucky and hasn't found his place on his first year, but proven talent is there. Of course not the talent Bale is, but proven talent nontheless.



I'm saying he is not going to be in Bales league. Anyway I've been for loaning him out for whole window.

I think you are rewriting history. Siggy is a not a developing youngster but a regular and proven Premier League player at Swansea, no comparison, totally different situation.

Like i said it's not a comparison to Bale it's pointing out a very young player can improve and you have no idea by how much until you wait and see. Plain common sense..

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

My point being.. Should we loan him out the next 1-2years? He got too much potential to just be a sub or backup. He could shine at QPR, and we can reap the benefits now, and later..

I value ur opinion highly, but still. However think he deserves more regular first team football, now, than later.

Let's just say, I don't really disagree with you, but nor do I completely agree.

Fair play, Kohn, which is why loaning the lad out is the most sensible thing we could hope to do at this moment in time. Carroll is one of those players who has a 'ceiling' that could go as high as he wants it to. His game is not far from complete, he's a little gem of a footballer & we should do all we can to ensure he continues to grow, whilst continuing to be a Spurs player. IF the Ajax loan has legs, there could be no better environment for the kid to grow further. IF he goes there & does well, and IF Ajax decide they want to keep him, we'll let them & Levy will have a 'first refusal option' written into his contract, as is supposedly the case for Caulker.

 

[FinnYid]

I think you are rewriting history.

How? Bale being almost sold to Forest for £3m is rewriting history.

Siggy is a not a developing youngster but a regular and proven Premier League player at Swansea, no comparison, totally different situation.

It is different situation, as it is with Carroll and Bale as I pointed out. Just poining out that Bale was rather big money transfer (£5m rising to £10m) who didn't immediately succeed.

Like i said it's not a comparison to Bale it's pointing out a very young player can improve and you have no idea by how much until you wait and see. Plain common sense..

Apart that Carroll isn't very young player anymore, he is 21. Sure that's still young, but it's not like we've some teenage prodigy on our hands. And he can have good career despite not being perhaps considered as brightest prospects on the country and being overlooked at youth set ups. But likelihood that he will be key part of future Spurs squads seems rather slim.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Apart that Carroll isn't very young player anymore, he is 21. Sure that's still young, but it's not like we've some teenage prodigy on our hands. And he can have good career despite not being perhaps considered as brightest prospects on the country and being overlooked at youth set ups. But likelihood that he will be key part of future Spurs squads seems rather slim.

At 21 years of age, Didier Drogba was signing his first professional contract. Counts for very little but is a demonstration that ANYTHING can happen, no matter how old a player is. Carroll is a quality little player & we should consider ourselves lucky to have such a talented kid on our books.

 

[Spurs1960]

How? Bale being almost sold to Forest for £3m is rewriting history.



It is different situation, as it is with Carroll and Bale as I pointed out. Just poining out that Bale was rather big money transfer (£5m rising to £10m) who didn't immediately succeed.




Apart that Carroll isn't very young player anymore, he is 21. Sure that's still young, but it's not like we've some teenage prodigy on our hands. And he can have good career despite not being perhaps considered as brightest prospects on the country and being overlooked at youth set ups. But likelihood that he will be key part of future Spurs squads seems rather slim.

Bale was bought as a player who needed to develop from a lower league club not a proven performer at Premier League level.

Adding 'very' is a bit stupid as is starting to use the word 'prodigy' to try and move the goalposts to try and justify yourself. It's not working. He will rightly be assessed next year and not pre-judged.