The England Thread

[dontcallme]

Yeah, I'm totally with you there.
As for naming a replacement, jeez, I wouldn't know where to start.
I think Howe may be suited to international work but Potter not so much.
Klopp would be great but as you say, I'm not sure I can see a German in charge of England.
A couple of years back i may have even gone for Jose but his time with us has scuppered that idea, which is a shame because I actually think he'd suit the international game.

Apart from that, I haven't the foggiest.
Who's managing the U21's? At one stage the FA were trying to create some kind of pathway through the ranks but I'm not sure if that's still the case and I reckon they'll want a "name".

Jose when he had some charm was very well suited to international management. It's the only place for him to really go now if he wants to manage at a level and achieve.

I think Lee Carsley is the under 21 manager, whether he's seen as a future England manager I have no idea.

I've always thought managing at club level is very different to managing the national side. So it seems strange to hire based on how well managers do at club level. Though what other thought process you can follow, I have no idea.

 

[neilp]

Whilst there is no chance that Southgate is leaving before the finals, I really hope the usual pre tournament contract extension doesn’t happen.

 

[McFlash]

Jose when he had some charm was very well suited to international management. It's the only place for him to really go now if he wants to manage at a level and achieve.

I think Lee Carsley is the under 21 manager, whether he's seen as a future England manager I have no idea.

I've always thought managing at club level is very different to managing the national side. So it seems strange to hire based on how well managers do at club level. Though what other thought process you can follow, I have no idea.

Yeah club and international football are almost two different games, when you consider how little time and international manager has to work with his players.
An international manager has to have a spark and be able to inspire his team with minimal tactical faffing about.

They need to have a personality that suits his team, which is why Harry would've been great, Jose could've been and maybe Howe could be.
Apart from the apparent time it takes players bodies to adjust to his way, I think Ange would make a good international manager too.

But then at one time, I was sure Pearce would be a good England manager, so I know fuck all really!

 

[McFlash]

Whilst there is no chance that Southgate is leaving before the finals, I really hope the usual pre tournament contract extension doesn’t happen.

I don't think it will now. He's thought about leaving before and hopefully, Man U will wave silly money at him and he can continue their decline.
He's been here long enough now, time for a break.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Southgate made the England team matter again which was a massive achievement considering the shambles we'd had since Venables.

Bur we now have one of the best selection of available players in the world. Winning tournaments should be an expectation not a hope.

And I don't think Southgate can take these players to that level.

Ange would win the World Cup with this England squad.

 

[Marty]

Whilst there is no chance that Southgate is leaving before the finals, I really hope the usual pre tournament contract extension doesn’t happen.

Southgate has confirmed in this international break that there will be no talks with the FA until after the tournament.

 

[mr ashley]

It’s crazy that Southgate gets the criticism he does when he’s the second most successful England Manager ever after Alf Ramsey

 

[easley91]

Up until Bellingham went off I thought it was there to be won, especially at set pieces. Then lost control and got done in behind, but still Pickford made the initial save.

Neither keeper was really tested that much but as far as friendlies go I enjoyed it for the most part.

I don't want people to say these games are meaningless, because I doubt Mainoo and Gordon see it that way. They just made their England debuts against Brazil at Wembley.

Oh and as expected you could barely see the cross on the back of the neck and I thought the colour scheme fit the shirt. I actually really like the way the whole kit looked as one. Not enough to buy, but not the worst I've seen.

 

[tobi]

Rubbish about Ghana. Do you really think he would choose Ghana. Friendlies don’t count. It has to be a competitive game to tie him to a country.
Miles better than Gallagher will ever be. Gallagher can run around, Kobbie can play.

It isn't rubbish, this happens a lot at this level, get the player in the squad now and give them some minutes.

Eze would be a starter and a key player for Nigeria but he wants to play for England (he has 2 caps now).

He's a very good player but he's never going to be a starter for England unless several players are unavailable.

 

[rossdapep]

Almost all international managers are shit though. Even France has never looked that good under Deschamps, just been barely good enough to see off worse opposition

At least Deschamps has good in-game management skills.

Southgate really struggles to inspire OR make us tough to break down.

Any time we get into a good situation against a big country, we can't kill the game or the game slowly gets away from us.

 

[rossdapep]

I’m not after a row but no one had easier runs in tournaments than Southgate. Apart from that Germany game at home what performance can you hang hat on.

I think a lot of our tournament performances against the weak or mid teams were good.

Blew away Sweden, Senegal, Ukraine etc.

They are not great teams but Capello, Sven and Hodgson made hard work of some of these kind of games.

So that was refreshing as we has been dreadful in tournaments for years.

We did look lethargic against Scotland and Tunisia though.

But, yeah, Belgium, Croatia, Italy, Switzerland (Nations league), France.

Southgate cannot get us over teams that are either level or better than us. He just doesn't have that ruthlessness in him. Tactically or with his squad. Certain players get too much rope and others not enough of a chance.

It's like he came in with a mission to fix the cliques, but now doesn't want to upset the ones who helped him start a new era.

If you just measured how he has done against the big nations, then he has had plenty of chances.

I think he has helped get England out of a rut. But that's it, he can't take us to the next level and players like Kane aren't getting younger.

 

[McFlash]

It’s crazy that Southgate gets the criticism he does when he’s the second most successful England Manager ever after Alf Ramsey

Do you really not see any reason why he gets criticism?
As I've said before, he did well initially and was just what we needed but he seems to have hit his ceiling and he's not got the personality to take us up a notch.

He should get credit for what he's done but his time was up a while ago and he's never going to be the man to take us forward from here, no matter how his record stands up to a bloke from 60 years ago.

Sorry but comparing Southgate to Ramsey is just wrong on so many levels.

 

[Misfit]

Hands up who'd like Southgate to ever manage Spurs?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Muff cabbage at club level and military medium, if we're being super generous, with the talented Ingerlund squads he's had at his disposal.

 

[PCozzie]

Do you really not see any reason why he gets criticism?
As I've said before, he did well initially and was just what we needed but he seems to have hit his ceiling and he's not got the personality to take us up a notch.

He should get credit for what he's done but his time was up a while ago and he's never going to be the man to take us forward from here, no matter how his record stands up to a bloke from 60 years ago.

Sorry but comparing Southgate to Ramsey is just wrong on so many levels.

I think this is fair. I think Southgate is a good steady hand, and seems a really decent bloke. But I don't think I've watched an England game since the 2018 World Cup where I've thought "oh wow, that's different".

As was once said of Monty Panesar about cricket, England haven't played 92 matches under Southgate, they've played one match 92 times.

 

[spurs mental]

Jose would win the Euros with that England squad.

They'll get to the quarter or semi final with Southgate but no further.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Jose would win the Euros with that England squad.

They'll get to the quarter or semi final with Southgate but no further.

I'm not sure he would.

He'd also alienate everyone from the national team again.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

I think a lot of our tournament performances against the weak or mid teams were good.

Blew away Sweden, Senegal, Ukraine etc.

They are not great teams but Capello, Sven and Hodgson made hard work of some of these kind of games.

So that was refreshing as we has been dreadful in tournaments for years.

We did look lethargic against Scotland and Tunisia though.

But, yeah, Belgium, Croatia, Italy, Switzerland (Nations league), France.

Southgate cannot get us over teams that are either level or better than us. He just doesn't have that ruthlessness in him. Tactically or with his squad. Certain players get too much rope and others not enough of a chance.

It's like he came in with a mission to fix the cliques, but now doesn't want to upset the ones who helped him start a new era.

If you just measured how he has done against the big nations, then he has had plenty of chances.

I think he has helped get England out of a rut. But that's it, he can't take us to the next level and players like Kane aren't getting younger.

Is it Southgate or is it the players. I really like Foden but he hasn’t really done much for England, I see him starting with Henderson for first euro game and see how it goes .
Toney will prob start on Tuesday. I expect him to show up better than Watkins.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Can I just point out France 0-2 Germany last night. It was a friendly as was our game.

 

[mr ashley]

Do you really not see any reason why he gets criticism?
As I've said before, he did well initially and was just what we needed but he seems to have hit his ceiling and he's not got the personality to take us up a notch.

He should get credit for what he's done but his time was up a while ago and he's never going to be the man to take us forward from here, no matter how his record stands up to a bloke from 60 years ago.

Sorry but comparing Southgate to Ramsey is just wrong on so many levels.

Oh I completely agree that he could do better.
he plays a conservative style and relies on players who are his favourites despite being out of form.

I guess my point was that his record in tournaments is actually better than venables and robson, who we all look back on fondly.
He’s not free from criticism by any means, but we’ve progressed from the time under Sven etc massively.

I’m clearly not comparing him to Ramsey anyway.
im comparing him to all the other managers since.

 

[easley91]

If this has already been posted apologies but just seen it myself..