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SheffieldAndy

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Could we not have more than one priority position requiresd, depending on what was available? And arguably, several positions were available that should have been seen as priorities to the board.

Just look at our squad, we should have "priorities" all over the place and it's not like there weren't opportunities out there to be taken.
The point I’m making is no. Yes we can have many wants and areas to improve, but if we’re telling people we have a priority position, no, we can have one as per definition.
 

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And I say this, because, ‘our priority’ which you said, is hugely different than ‘one of our priorities’. That’s why I pulled it. As we’ve been told several times this window that Porro was our priority. And that priority we got. Semantics yes, but we have a lot of posters who hang on everything you say, for good or for bad.
Go back and read the post again before getting all smart arsed.


"We needed a CB, we made that a priority, we didn't get one, we failed to add what we needed."

Is exactly what I wrote.
 

SheffieldAndy

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Go back and read the post again before getting all smart arsed.


"We needed a CB, we made that a priority, we didn't get one, we failed to add what we needed."

Is exactly what I wrote.
I’m not getting smart arsed, I’ve been respectful the whole way, purposefully so. But we can’t have more than one priority. That’s not a thing, maybe it’s a difference of understanding, but we can’t. And you telling people that was a priority can be taken wrongly as that we didn’t prioritise a RWB which was what I’ve been saying.
 

chas vs dave

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Mate these are Trix’ words not mine so best you address your concerns to him. I very much doubt he’s talking “nonsense” though. Oh and clearly you’ve missed his latest itk. That’s probably going to shatter a few illusions for you as well.
What illusions? I'm pragmatic enough to expect it to take 4 or 5 windows to fix the mess. Conte has been clear about this for a whole.

Yes, we needed a CB, however if we can't get the right one, then we shouldn't just get one for the sake of it. Not sure what illusions you are referring to.

I will reiterate my point, I've been going to spurs for a long time, people who think it's bad now really lack a bit of perspective. I can remember when our only signing was a Paulo tremazzani, the guy was a hairdresser masquerading as a footballer.

I've been going for long enough that I'm willing to give it time to see if things improve, if it doesn't, I'll just vote with my feet and not renew my season ticket.
 

Trix

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I’m not getting smart arsed, I’ve been respectful the whole way, purposefully so. But we can’t have more than one priority. That’s not a thing, maybe it’s a difference of understanding, but we can’t. And you telling people that was a priority can be taken wrongly as that we didn’t prioritise a RWB which was what I’ve been saying.
People can take it wrongly or you have? I have 2 children they are both my priorities. That's as I say the reason the word "priorities"exits it's the plural of priority, it means more than one. If you couldn't have more than one priority there would be no reason to have the word ffs.

Anyway I can't be arsed to keep this going so am hitting the ignore on it.
 

SheffieldAndy

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I have 2 children they are both my priorities. That's as I say the reason the word "priorities"exits it's the plural of priority, it means more than one. If you couldn't have more than one priority there would be no reason to have the word ffs.

Anyway I can't be arsed to keep this going so am hitting the ignore on it.
People hang on what you say, so I’d say it’s very likely. Your children are your priority. That is the thing.
But ignore, I’ve appreciated your information and opinion for a long time. I’m genuinely sorry a disagreement of language makes that happen.

EDITED to account for the post edit I was replying to.
 
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Shanks

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People hang on what you say, so I’d say it’s very likely. Your children are your priority. That is the thing.
But ignore, I’ve appreciated your information and opinion for a long time. I’m genuinely sorry a disagreement of language makes that happen.

EDITED to account for the post edit I was replying to.
Dude, no hanging on what ITK’s say, I’ve been around long enough to appreciate the information but take it knowing things change all the time, my whole cb/keeper situation is only based on what’s been in front of me on the pitch this year, don’t get me wrong, over the moon with our main signing, had we got in a CB as well, I’d be over the moon, but alas, I don’t think it will make too much of a difference in results for the remainder of the season, let’s hope I’m wrong !
 

SheffieldAndy

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Dude, no hanging on what ITK’s say, I’ve been around long enough to appreciate the information but take it knowing things change all the time, my whole cb/keeper situation is only based on what’s been in front of me on the pitch this year, don’t get me wrong, over the moon with our main signing, had we got in a CB as well, I’d be over the moon, but alas, I don’t think it will make too much of a difference in results for the remainder of the season, let’s hope I’m wrong !
I can agree that you maybe personally won’t, but we had many people saying we’d announced a Doherty loan deal when it was a journo so I won’t change my stance ?
I agree with you that we need both if not one of each and an extra. But I never expected a keeper in the window and I don’t think the club did based on ITK, bit I think it’ll become more of an issue of the club doesn’t think it in the summer.
 

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Brilliant post.

And your last paragraph is the most frustrating part.

I thought it would change, but we're still applying the same negotiating tactics every window and charging the highest season ticket prices around.

And we've actually got people defending this on here.

It's absurd.
They not “defending “ just holding different view than you. Trix is an ITK but they all been wrong before never the less they got an opinion and so do others. Easy solution is to accept the fact that we all got opinions, yours or mine isn’t lesser valued.
 

Shanks

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They not “defending “ just holding different view than you. Trix is an ITK but they all been wrong before never the less they got an opinion and so do others. Easy solution is to accept the fact that we all got opinions, yours or mine isn’t lesser valued.
Well I wouldn’t be as straight forward as being wrong - this is a misundwrstanding of what ITK actually is.

It isn’t saying we are getting player A in, or out.

but an update of some of the inner workings that goes on behind the scenes that is mere mortals aren’t privy to.so actually the ITK information given is always correct, it just may not come to fruition, due to changes etc
 

SheffieldAndy

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I don’t think anyway of playing matters when your cb’s and keeper make literally gift the goals, always an uphill battle
Surely being able to get up the pitch more and not being a solely defensive team for such long periods would take pressure off the keeper and back four?

EDIT sorry, this absolutely isn’t for this thread so I’ll stop that shit right now.
 

Shanks

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Surely being able to get up the pitch more and not being a solely defensive team for such long periods would take pressure off the keeper and back four?

EDIT sorry, this absolutely isn’t for this thread so I’ll stop that shit right now.
Yeah probably not the place, happy to discuss elsewhere though pal
 

greavesy461

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Everyone’s a bit moody in here tonight. We signed two decent players, one of which was literally the best player available in the world (realistically on the market) in a position we most needed. Transfer windows could always be better but time to move on now.

Under ENIC we will always be frugal and personally I don’t mind. What Chelsea is doing is probably fun if you’re a Chelsea fan but also probably a bit unnerving. We’re clearly prepared to pay £60m-£70m for the right player but I don’t think any CBs of that quality were on the market in January. Hincapie wouldn’t really help us this season. Maybe Badiashile would have been an option but again not sure that helpful.

By the way, there was only ONE purchase over £10m in any of the top leagues outside of Premier League. Vitinha to Marseille on the last day of the transfer window. c. £20m!!

COYS Big second half of season to go
 

Tezza1978

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Everyone’s a bit moody in here tonight. We signed two decent players, one of which was literally the best player available in the world (realistically on the market) in a position we most needed. Transfer windows could always be better but time to move on now.

Under ENIC we will always be frugal and personally I don’t mind. What Chelsea is doing is probably fun if you’re a Chelsea fan but also probably a bit unnerving. We’re clearly prepared to pay £60m-£70m for the right player but I don’t think any CBs of that quality were on the market in January. Hincapie wouldn’t really help us this season. Maybe Badiashile would have been an option but again not sure that helpful.

By the way, there was only ONE purchase over £10m in any of the top leagues outside of Premier League. Vitinha to Marseille on the last day of the transfer window. c. £20m!!

COYS Big second half of season to go
My view is kind of "in-between" this and Trix's view. Agree with you 100% on Danjuma and Porro in particular and it is a truism that big transfers outside the Prem were virtually non existent. European teams are still pretty skint its clear.

I lean more to Trix in that I DO mind us being frugal at this stage in our development and that Levy should be pushing the boat out and changing the way he operates!

I just think that - for both genuine good reasons (too much deadwood in the squad) ...and bad reasons (bad in that we should accept this and be more ruthless in replacing them) that we are still hugely paying for mistakes in the past and are on the financial hook for all the loanees wages - many of whom, but not all - will end up back here in the Summer until we can move them on, loan them or release them

The response to the THST today was very generic and wishy washy but the "best " most honest bit was the subtle acknowledgement by the Club that our recruitment was terrible and many signings havent worked out and only now are we turning it around. That needs to continue and to repeat the biggest cliche of all ...we need a BIG summer!!
 

hamsup_sotong

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just wish that our recruitment policy is more proactive than reactive. Moving for our targets early, paying a little more than required if needed for essential buys. We should never be in the position where the reason for a transfer failing is the fact the selling club doesn't have time to find a replacement.
 

tevezito

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I don’t know why zaniolo didn’t happen - the whole thing is weird. As for Hincapie, there are millions of possible reasons. We didn’t match an exorbitant asking price, they couldn’t line up a replacement, that’s the whole point. January signings are harder because there is less time for the dominos to fall into place
I've got two quid in my pocket, does that make me a millionaire?
 

tevezito

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Surely being able to get up the pitch more and not being a solely defensive team for such long periods would take pressure off the keeper and back four?

EDIT sorry, this absolutely isn’t for this thread so I’ll stop that shit right now.
Much less irrelevant and much more accurate than the bollocks you were spouting about priorities. But since you only seem to be able to cope with one priority at a time, please take whatever it currently is to the relevant thread where it is a priority.
 

vegassd

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The athletic said today in the summer we want two centre backs, a keeper and a forward.

Now unless we have a couple of freebies lined up I don't see them paying for the necessary quality needed in those positions.

So much work to do and add to that the uncertainty over the DOF whose position looks to me totally untenable medium to long term and if course the manager. And this is the same club that just took a whole month to close one deal
If we are only after 4 players I think that would actually be achievable. But a lot of factors at play.

I guess the super optimistic view is that the Paratici ban is limited to Italy, Conte comes back from surgery with a positive outlook and signs a contract, which in turn gets Kane to extend for 2 years minimum. Everton get relegated so we manage to take Pickford for a reasonable fee. We pay big money for a beast CCB and do a creative loan with obligation for a good LCB. Davies retires and we sign Lenglet as LCB backup on a cut price deal. Danjuma has been a success and we effectively swap him for Lo Celso. And after 6 months of further turmoil, Zaniolo falls into our lap. :whistle:

Flip side is Paratici gets a full 30 month ban, Conte walks in Summer and Kane is sold for c. £50m. We might assume it would be Poch coming in, then it's an absolute craps shoot in terms of which players get second changes and how we would line up. That would be apocalypse time, although I bet we would have a fun season!

As you imply with your last sentence, I think a revolutionary window is going to be a bit of a pipe dream - at least when there are uncertainties around. The January market is a different animal to Summer, but money talks and we surely have it now. We have missed at least one trigger pull last month, and if Levy is still being gun shy come Summer I can't see how we get what we need done.

Or Gil develops into the next Messi under Poch and we all fap ourselves to death. Could happen. :LOL:
 
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