The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM 3rd February 2015

[mill]

Standard fare with the couple of recent bits of itk, the ambition is huge if......

 

[Spurger King]

Standard fare with the couple of recent bits of itk, the ambition is huge if......

Yep, always the same story - 'if we can sell the mountain of dross we've managed to acquire, we'll bring in replacements'.

Of course, first we need to find buyers for this dross, then we need to agree a price. Levy seems to play a game of brinkmanship with every deal, so I'll be expecting some long drawn out transfers that eventually leave us with 2 minutes to sort out a replacement.

Hopefully Mitchell will help us to identify some decent players, but our general track-record suggests we'll just be lumbered with a new load of average players that we'll struggle to sell in a year or two.

Certainly not knocking the legitimacy of the ITK, but it's the same positive message we hear every season, and which immediately runs into problems when it turns out that, funnily enough, nobody wants to pay the likes of Adebayor ridiculously high wages to take him off our hands.

 

[shelfboy68]

Its fine buying young players whos energy levels should fit pochs system but we certainly need one or two old heads in there to guide them through.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

As THFC told THST we are looking to be buying youngish players in the £10-15mil bracket in the same way we bought Berba Bale, Eriksen and Modric etc. In the past we have moved for these players one a time(because that is what budgets have allowed). From what I understand though if we can get the wage bill reduced to accommodate them, there would be no reason for us not to pick up 3 or 4 players in this bracket at one time. Perhaps if we can bring a good crop through together they might just see a reason to hang around? Instead of leaving because they are the stand out players for the club and know at best they will only be replaced.

If we can get the wage bill reduced enough is obviously the key.

But sounds good.[/QUOTE]

Just Ade alone leaving would probably pay the wages of 2 such 10-15 mil purchases.. There's a lot to clear realistically we have Bobby, Ade, Capoue, Kaboul, Lennon, I think Paulinho, Dembele are likely exits and while it's ideal to think we can trade easily, they are not desired by clubs above us, and it's gonna be a hard slog remoulding the squad, let's keep positive though!

 

[spursfan77]

Years ago £10-15m would get you the likes of Berbatov and Modric, these days it will get your distinctly average players from around Europe. If we're willing to spend some money I would rather we pillage the championship of their young talent (Hughes (Derby), Mowatt (Leeds), Redmond (Norwich), Bryam (Leeds), Wilson (Bournemouth) etc.

I think Byram is a good shout.

 

[neilp]

Realistically Ade would most likely go on a loan with us perhaps subbing some of his wages, so wouldn't necessarily be freeing up all of his wages, although it does all help.

 

[Lilbaz]

Anyone good in Turkey? Seems they've all gone mad and are shooting each others coaches up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/07/fenerbahce-team-bus-attack-two-arrested

Although it might rule out Ade going there.

Demba Ba and Sneijder would be nice.

 

[TheAmerican]

Anyone good in Turkey? Seems they've all gone mad and are shooting each others coaches up.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/07/fenerbahce-team-bus-attack-two-arrested

Although it might rule out Ade going there.

Demba Ba and Sneijder would be nice.

Both are too old, and would go against what recent itk and media have suggested Poch and the club want.

 

[Lilbaz]

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Both are too old, and would go against what recent itk and media have suggested Poch and the club want.

29 and 30 respectively. I know that we will aim to get young players in the £10-15m bracket. But if a good older player comes along I'm sure we will go for him. Ala Davids, Gallas, Naybet etc...

These are 2 class players that if they became available I'm sure we would look at. Not likely to happen though and was just random speculation.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Not necessarily we managed to get Verts, Lloris, Eriksen for less than £15m. They are out there.

Lyon were in financial dire straights and wasn't Eriksen's contract running down? Granted Lloris has been outstanding but with the exception of Buffon goalkeeper fees have never been high. Eriksen although a talent is still very hit and miss.

 

[Blackrat1299]

Ade has set his heart on staying and fighting for his place, apparently he is a very happy bunny!!!! if that's the case theres 2 players we wont get!!!

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...tenham-and-commits-future-spurs-10161092.html

 

[TEESSIDE1]

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29 and 30 respectively. I know that we will aim to get young players in the £10-15m bracket. But if a good older player comes along I'm sure we will go for him. Ala Davids, Gallas, Naybet etc...

These are 2 class players that if they became available I'm sure we would look at. Not likely to happen though and was just random speculation.

Sneijder's a good shout subject to his wages (currently very high) but I can't see us going anywhere near Ba due to his knees being one bad knock away from career ending.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sneijder's a good shout subject to his wages (currently very high) but I can't see us going anywhere near Ba due to his knees being one bad knock away from career ending.

Second top goal scorer in Turkey. From his history he is more reliable fitness wise than a lot of our players.

 

[panoma]

The last bit of ITK seems good until you see the part that says "if we manage to sell unwanted senior players".
Since Levy dont sell players on the cheap, we have to hope someone come in and offer Ade 150k a week, 15m + wages for Soldado, 15m for Paulinho etch.

This will obviously fail, so when the windows shut down we will get an itk update saying that "we tried our best, but since we didnt manage to shift players we didnt have room or funds for new needed players, but we did manage to pick up a few bargains we hope to sell for a profit in two years from now".

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The last bit of ITK seems good until you see the part that says "if we manage to sell unwanted senior players".
Since Levy dont sell players on the cheap, we have to hope someone come in and offer Ade 150k a week, 15m + wages for Soldado, 15m for Paulinho etch.

This will obviously fail, so when the windows shut down we will get an itk update saying that "we tried our best, but since we didnt manage to shift players we didnt have room or funds for new players, but we did manage to pick up a few bargains we hope to sell for a profit in two years from now".

Normally, European leagues would represent potential buyers, but with the present Euro/Pound exchange rate, that market is basically shut off as far as outgoings are concerned, because Levy won't be able to agree on price (underlining what you are saying). We can only sell to the MSL & Qatar this summer. And... Norway & Switzerland.

 

[SpursDave88]

Groundhog day, this season ending like all the others, with THFC going out with a whimper. Then we get told "we don't intend to sell our best players", "lessons have been learned", "Levy and Lewis know what needs to be done", "Lewis really wants to push the boat out next year" etc before the inevitable collapse about ten games into next season, the manager is sacked and the whole charade starts over with yet another manager who needs to impose his philosophy and get his own players in. Yawn!

 

[spursfan77]

Ade has set his heart on staying and fighting for his place, apparently he is a very happy bunny!!!! if that's the case theres 2 players we wont get!!!

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...tenham-and-commits-future-spurs-10161092.html

I'd be massively surprised if he's not hanging around next season. I reckon the only way he will go is if he's given away on a free transfer.

 

[Hoopspur]

Re Trix's information - isn't this what we attempted with the Bale money? Yes we bought a few cheaper than that because of circumstances with contracts etc but they would have been that amount (eek!). I just trust that the scouting staff is better than it was for that particular crop.

It seems easy to place players into 'boxes' for amounts of money (or age).

We've picked up a few good players in the past - some the finished article and some potential. Some have worked out well enough but quite a few have been failures. I don't see how our new strategy is going to change this. Why is Dele Alli for example so different to Bale in theory in terms of potential?

Just a soundbite to suggest we won't be buying Soldado or Lamela next time.

 

[Hoopspur]

Normally, European leagues would represent potential buyers, but with the present Euro/Pound exchange rate, that market is basically shut off as far as outgoings are concerned, because Levy won't be able to agree on price (underlining what you are saying). We can only sell to the MSL & Qatar this summer. And... Norway & Switzerland.

But you then play it both ways don't you? I know that swaps don't happen in reality but that could be a reasonable route. However if you are getting a player at say 20% under his perceived value then don't you in turn have to shift a player for under his value if you want the space in the squad?

Also there is the UK sale price which would probably fall somewhere between the price of the two in order that 'smaller' EPL clubs could pick up decent price players.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

But you then play it both ways don't you? I know that swaps don't happen in reality but that could be a reasonable route. However if you are getting a player at say 20% under his perceived value then don't you in turn have to shift a player for under his value if you want the space in the squad?

Also there is the UK sale price which would probably fall somewhere between the price of the two in order that 'smaller' EPL clubs could pick up decent price players.

Trying to see the inside of Levy's mind, I don't necessarily expect him to accept a lower fee in pounds, just because he can benefit from an extreme euro/pound exchange rate.

But in principal, I agree with you.