The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31st August 2020

[Hoopspur]

We’d loan him to a club, they pay his wages then at the end of the season or when clauses are met they sign him for an agreed fee, in an ideal word

No, they also pay a loan fee in addition - say a quarter of his value if I understand how these things work. Then he is sold at a more reduced rate.

 

[nedley]

I don't think we want to get into finance ITK but that £42m has already had a fifth of it amoritised etc so his cost on the books is less already. Plus, you can't expect to break even on every bad deal. If we think we can get him gone now but take a £5 million hit on it, we probably recoup most of that in saved wages than letting it drag on until January.

I don't think it's as given as some assume that we won't take what looks like a loss on him to get him gone.

Its looking like such a bad piece of business at a time when we constantly had 'we have to do things differently' rammed down our throats..

 

[nedley]

There's clearly a deal to be done with Inter. If they buy Ndombele they'll have too many midfielders and already have too many defenders. Jose has a good relationship with Inter. I think Skriniar + Brozovic for Ndombele + some cash is definitely possible

Would take that in a heart beat.

 

[Rob]

Its looking like such a bad piece of business at a time where we constantly had 'we have to do things differently' rammed down our throats..

I'm not sure we're at fault there. I reallt rate(d) Ndombele and he could easily have been the game-changer we needed. Even the little glimpses of things we've seen from him give me hope that there's one hell of a player in there. If he doesn't have the motivation now he's had his big move then I don't think we can blame our side.

 

[spursfast]

Would take that in a heart beat.

Skriniar is reportedly cold on us...

 

[carmeldevil]

Skriniar is reportedly cold on us...

where?

 

[Yiddo100]

where?

No ITK on this (I think)so best take it to his thread

 

[Hoopspur]

where?

Not in here is the answer to that

 

[spursfast]

where?

talk shit radio...Just as he did two years ago, the 25-year-old centre half looks set to reject the chance to play for Mourinho and will also snub (United) once again

 

[wrd]

Having read all the information, I wouldn't be shocked if Levy wasn't willing to take a loss because he still feels that Tanguy has can be a huge success for us. I think that Levy deep down is probably hoping we can keep him and will only reluctantly accept an offer if its too good to turn down. I still don't think he will leave.

 

[nedley]

I'm not sure we're at fault there. I reallt rate(d) Ndombele and he could easily have been the game-changer we needed. Even the little glimpses of things we've seen from him give me hope that there's one hell of a player in there. If he doesn't have the motivation now he's had his big move then I don't think we can blame our side.

Based on what is mostly a gut feeling, I will have to disagree. We know he's got talent. Everyobe could see that but other clubs didn't take the risk.

His mentality has been called into question before. Poch wanted him and thought he could mould him into the next Dembele.

Levy backed him but it's looking like he got it wrong.

 

[anydange]

I'm not sure we're at fault there. I reallt rate(d) Ndombele and he could easily have been the game-changer we needed. Even the little glimpses of things we've seen from him give me hope that there's one hell of a player in there. If he doesn't have the motivation now he's had his big move then I don't think we can blame our side.

I don't if we're immune from blame. Doesn't he have a history of having a poor attitude / work ethic? Surely that should have been taken into account when you a spunking a load of money on a player. Seems to me that we didn't do enough research on our end and have effectively bought a dud.

That said, I really rated him before he came. Would love to see him perform but seems like that ship has sailed.

 

[WiganSpur]

We're in big trouble then, because which club is going to spend 42m and 200k a week on TN?

If we can't get our money back or even 90% of it then it's almost worth the gamble of keeping him and playing him in low key games to see if he can turn around his attitude. Personally, I can't see anyone offering £40m and to pay his 200k a week wages even with a loan obligation.

We've seen players turn it around before. He's got what 5 years left on his deal so imo it'd hardly be much of a different situation next summer anyway if he's still not playing.

Fine with selling him at the right price, I just don't think we should be in a rush to get rid at all costs considering there is still always going to be that chance that he gets his act together.

 

[Japhet]

Interesting Trix says 'most likely outcome for Ndombele is loan with obligation'. I'd have thought the most likely outcome would be that we can't shift him for the sort of deal Levy would demand.

 

[Japhet]

I don't if we're immune from blame. Doesn't he have a history of having a poor attitude / work ethic? Surely that should have been taken into account when you a spunking a load of money on a player. Seems to me that we didn't do enough research on our end and have effectively bought a dud.

That said, I really rated him before he came. Would love to see him perform but seems like that ship has sailed.

The rhetoric around his 'history of poor attitude' is very one sided. We also saw him take Man City apart in the Champions League and plenty of other examples of him being virtually unplayable. He has all of that in his locker but there's obviously something holding him back and causing his lethargy. As I've said before, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some mental health issues affecting him at this present time.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

Loan, sell whatever it is he is a goner . There is no way Ndombele is staying past the window. If he stays , Jose won’t play him- DL will keep losing value on TN. I can’t see TN being a character to say goners be goners , I will give my all for the new season.

If DL can’t get the money back now he needs TN to play & build his value next season on a loan and to be then sold.

I cannot see ego of Eriksen allowing to come back within 6 months. Even if he is willing, I am not sure Jose will accept him back. But then who knows...both clubs might have unwanted players so there could be compromises done against egos

It happened with Keane and it worked well...but he left under different circumstances

 

[sausage]

I'm not sure we're at fault there. I reallt rate(d) Ndombele and he could easily have been the game-changer we needed. Even the little glimpses of things we've seen from him give me hope that there's one hell of a player in there. If he doesn't have the motivation now he's had his big move then I don't think we can blame our side.

This is the crux of it - some players want to be the best and they know of no ceiling (say your Kane/Cristiano types). Some players have lots of talent but it's just a career to them (Benny). Once you've signed a £30m contract, any motivation beyond that is purely personal.

Granted there were hints of it, but I guess you don't really know until you get them in the door. Apparently all the players gush over how good he is on the ball, but he looks like he can't be arsed being an athlete, so he's never going to be a top player without it.

He could probably get away with it in Spain or Italy where luxury players still exist and/or the athletic requirement is lower, so we have to hope that a team in those leagues will look at him and see the brilliant player, and not worry so much about the lack of athlete.

 

[Philly Yid]

I'm not sure we're at fault there. I reallt rate(d) Ndombele and he could easily have been the game-changer we needed. Even the little glimpses of things we've seen from him give me hope that there's one hell of a player in there. If he doesn't have the motivation now he's had his big move then I don't think we can blame our side.

I think you're right on here Rob BUT I think the fear from a lot of people (including myself) is that this bad bit of business (whoever is at fault) is going to make Levy less likely to take a big swing in the future. Really, our previous record signing of Sanchez has been ok but he's hardly what we paid for and he seems to have lost his job to Dier. Now this blows up in his face and I think Bald Eagle is going to be harder pressed to make a big signing in an era when (Covid times notwithstanding) transfer dollars aren't going anywhere but up.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Based on what is mostly a gut feeling, I will have to disagree. We know he's got talent. Everyobe could see that but other clubs didn't take the risk.

His mentality has been called into question before. Poch wanted him and thought he could mould him into the next Dembele.

Levy backed him but it's looking like he got it wrong.

The most worrying thing would be if Levy feels burned from backing his manager.
Especially if this window ends up being relatively successful by plugging holes with cheap smart deals, Levy will never want to spend big again

 

[Cinemattis]

In relation to itk about Josh King, and to all those who dream of a match fit striker walking through the gates of the training facility tomorrow:

King is with the Norwegian squad for the upcoming Nations League matches. The last one is against Northern Ireland at Windsor Park in the evening, Monday the 7th of September.

King said in a press conference with the national side yesterday (or two days ago) that he hasn´t been training with Bournemouth yet, but only trained on his own in Norway, and twice with Norwegian club Stabæk (bottom half of the top division, Eliteserien) before he joined the national side.