Match Threads Spurs Vs Brighton

[millhouse]

definitely got away with one or two yesterday.

If it was the other way and those decisions went against us. I'd be fuming

 

[bubble07]

The only lucky call for us was the pen off mitoma

 

[bubble07]

Surely any prospective manager will be weary hearing the Poch chants every game now. Would make them think anyone other than Poch is already screwed with the fanbase.

Agree but several think otherwise based on all the disagrees I got

 

[JSpurs1]

The only lucky call for us was the pen off mitoma

I think the goal that went in off MacAllister should have stood as well tbh. Really got away with one yesterday.

 

[Tezza1978]

Finally watched MOTD this morning. The 2 handball decisions were 100% correct. But we were extremely fortunate not to have the 2 penalties given against us, they were nailed on.

Marking for Dunk goal was a shambles and our defence still looks all over the show but will take the 3 points and run.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Quiet congrats to Romero for the slight push on the 'scorer' of Brighton's first 'goal' disallowed for handball which it ultimately was. Without that push the attacker might have had an easier time of it.

Another issue brought up here is that our main forwards are getting on age wise. In the high pressure physical environment of the Prem, this is a problem and its getting worse imo.

The disinterest of Kane in being our first line of defence, oppo defenders can run past him with the ball within a yard or two of him without him stirring. Yes, in the old days Greaves didn't feel that was his job, but now its a different world. I see other teams effectively press and there's no shirkers of this order.
Richie comes on and its chalk and cheese.

Same with Sonny. His unwillingness to challenge for any 50/50s plus his haphazard approach to the marking part of pressing are not the modern game.

As they pass 30 the drawbacks will get worse and need to be faced. The forward line has to be the first line of defence.

It may seem obtuse to be calling out our 2 scorers and their magnificent goals, but the whole rickety nature of the team is partly because it's simply impossible to have an effective press with these two not taking it seriously.
Yes, great players, but many more opportunities to score would arise with a killer press(as happened under Poch)....and maybe we wouldn't need worldies to squeak through matches like this.

I don't see the Norwegian wonder boy doing to much defending for City do you? where as Kane does do his fair share.

 

[St José Dominguez]

I agree. Again it’s because we are short in midfield. You just can’t press effectively with two midfielders let anlone expect them to do everything else.

Whilst that is true we simply aren’t a pressing team, there isn’t an intensity to our efforts to quickly win the ball back. We sit off too much and wait for the opposition to lose possession rather than forcing them too. Even with a 3 if the energy levels and effort levels aren’t high it won’t change much. Also the effort at times to get forward into attacking positions from players is painful to watch. I don’t know if it’s tactical or what but it has to change next season.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

My thoughts exactly on Kane and Son. People keep calling for this rebuild - we've been rebuilding for ages, but everything is being built around these two. Because they are such magnificent goalscorers nobody seems willing to accept that they are a big part of the problem. They are both very lethargic with pretty weak hold up play, therefore we don't press and give the ball away a lot. It will be very sad to see them go, but I don't think it will the complete disaster everyone else thinks it will be, and once the dust settles with the right manager we might start to see the type of football we are craving.

Kane is not weak holding up the ball. Probably the best at it in the league. Trying to win the ball high up is not how we play. Them just doing it on their own is pointless and a waste of energy. We purposely try and win the ball back deep so we have more space to break into imo. If the team played on the half way line, everyone pushing up trying to box the other team in and they just let players dribble past them then fair enough.

We will eventually have to replace them but there’s not many Kane and Sons knocking around. Every top club would be queuing up to take them, not so much many of our other players. You have more faith in the club than I do.

 

[rightwayup]

What is the point of Kane trying to win the ball up the pitch if we are sat so deep. You have to press as a team or it does not work.

 

[cider spurs]

Fortuitous win maybe, but a bit of pressing created our 2nd goal. Wish we could see a bit more of this.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

I see the PGMOL or whatever have apologised for the pens that should have been given

 

[teok]

 

[stevel]

Kane is not weak holding up the ball. Probably the best at it in the league.

I disagree. I think Kane is brilliant when he drops deep and has space to turn and play a pass. Occasionally he does something brilliant when under pressure, but generally under pressure he will lose the ball. Not as often as Son, who is hopeless receiving under pressure, but still a lot.

 

[Beefyboy]

The fuss being kicked up over this incorrect call is hilarious. Don't remember many calls for the game to be replayed after the Saints game.

Same with the Kane thing against Everton. I don't for a second think there's any kind of conspiracy against us but we do seem to get a but more of a kicking/fuss made around these sorts of things.

 

[tommo84]

I know this isn’t the first time the PGMOL have done this, but I never see the value in them doing so. It won’t make Brighton feel any better and won’t ease the pressure on the ref’s in their next game(s). It also just further harms the credibility of the PGMOL when they’re issuing these apologies 4 or 5 times a season now!

They would be better off keeping quiet and maybe (but only maybe!) just release a list at the end of the season of decisions they think they got wrong.

 

[jbstarr14]

Be surprised if its more than 1 game.

If so, I think we’d be silly not to appeal and request longer…

 

[14/04/91]

Fortuitous win maybe, but a bit of pressing created our 2nd goal. Wish we could see a bit more of this.

We did it a fair bit in the first half, one of the centre halves pushed onto the likes of MacAllister and the midfield 2 & front 3 all pressed very high.
Then we stopped. No idea why as it was working.
The goal came from Romero nipping in and reading Mitoma’s flick. But it was one of the few times we did that in the 2nd half.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I disagree. I think Kane is brilliant when he drops deep and has space to turn and play a pass. Occasionally he does something brilliant when under pressure, but generally under pressure he will lose the ball. Not as often as Son, who is hopeless receiving under pressure, but still a lot.

Like any forward, all depends on the ball into him. He’s strong, he’s got a great touch, he’s good in the air. Honestly couldn’t think of another forward better than him in that respect. Obviously if he’s isolated and he’s got a couple of players on him he will cough up the ball sometimes but virtually every player would unless you have the mix of a great hold up player and a pacey ball carrier. I don’t know many of them.

 

[Lifelong]

Quiet congrats to Romero for the slight push on the 'scorer' of Brighton's first 'goal' disallowed for handball which it ultimately was. Without that push the attacker might have had an easier time of it.

Another issue brought up here is that our main forwards are getting on age wise. In the high pressure physical environment of the Prem, this is a problem and its getting worse imo.

The disinterest of Kane in being our first line of defence, oppo defenders can run past him with the ball within a yard or two of him without him stirring. Yes, in the old days Greaves didn't feel that was his job, but now its a different world. I see other teams effectively press and there's no shirkers of this order.
Richie comes on and its chalk and cheese.

Same with Sonny. His unwillingness to challenge for any 50/50s plus his haphazard approach to the marking part of pressing are not the modern game.

As they pass 30 the drawbacks will get worse and need to be faced. The forward line has to be the first line of defence.

It may seem obtuse to be calling out our 2 scorers and their magnificent goals, but the whole rickety nature of the team is partly because it's simply impossible to have an effective press with these two not taking it seriously.
Yes, great players, but many more opportunities to score would arise with a killer press(as happened under Poch)....and maybe we wouldn't need worldies to squeak through matches like this.

I think you may be right on this although I think we could get another season or two out of one of them (Kane) but certainly not both of them.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

definitely got away with one or two yesterday.

If it was the other way and those decisions went against us. I'd be fuming

It was a busy game for the ref, but if we objectively look at the decisions made throughout the game, it gives a very different picture to the one in the media.


Decisions that went our way:
Brighton disallowed goal #1: Correct decision - The ball hit Mitoma's bicep, so it would have been a stonewall penalty if a defender had controlled the ball in the same.
Brighton disallowed goal#2: Correct decision - It would have been a stonewall penalty if a defender had blocked the ball in the same way.
Penalty appeal #1: Correct decision - No handball by Lenglet.
Penalty appeal #2: Correct decision - The foul / dive (replay was inconclusive imo) was just outside the box.
Penalty appeal #3: Incorrect decision - Clear foul, but it should not have been a Brighton corner, so this incident should never have happened.
Penalty appeal #4: Correct decision - Clear shirt pull by Lenglet, which is a foul, but Dunk only got goal-side of him after a two-handed push to get past (i.e. a VAR review would have shown that Lenglet was fouled by Dunk just before he fouled Dunk, so the first infringement would have to be the one punished)*.

Decisions that went Brighton's way:
Dunk "stamp" on Romero: Incorrect decision - Romero made the most of it, but the ref has to give a red card if he sees it. Dunk is lucky not to have a three-match ban.

On balance, better officiating would have resulted in the same scoreline, but Brighton would have finished the game with only 10 men.

The fact that MotD didn't show that Dunk got away with violent conduct, or mention that Brighton shouldn't have had the corner that led to Mitoma's penalty appeal, is a perfect example of the media choosing to sensationalise events to draw an audience, rather than accurately reporting a balanced view.

*The push by Dunk that allowed him to get goal-side of Lenglet, before Lenglet pulled his shirt. He literally went through Lenglet, using both hands and leaning his whole body into him (look at the angle of Dunk's body...he would have gone flying forwards if Lenglet had stepped back instead of trying to hold his ground).