Match Ratings Ratings vs Wolves

[southgatespur40]

Didn’t get to watch the game today, I’ve only just seen the highlights, but I don’t understand why Toby or Jan didn’t start today? And why Tanganga has gone from having a couple of good games, to not being in the side, to being back in?

 

[tippspur59]

The voting is going just about right from what I saw today, Serge and Lo Celso with most votes, gave mine to Serge, also I'm done with Davies after today his crossing is diabolical.

 

[Lenn0n]

The voting is going just about right from what I saw today, Serge and Lo Celso with most votes, gave mine to Serge, also I'm done with Davies after today his crossing is diabolical.

Serge is improving! I agree about Davies......he hasn't got raw pace, or the trickery to get in front of the defender. Hence his crosses tend to hit the defender. Its so predictable.

 

[yusrisafri]

Lo Celso is our main man. He is always available, and always probing and looking to create and link play. I dread to think how bad we would be without him right now.

He must be very frustrated to play in this squad. No one seems to make runs to allow him to thread passes forward.

 

[yusrisafri]

Serge is improving! I agree about Davies......he hasn't got raw pace, or the trickery to get in front of the defender. Hence his crosses tend to hit the defender. Its so predictable.

Ive said it many times. We're a better team just by not putting in davies. He's slow and thus cant defend against speedsters. He's not skilful enough to go past opponents. And you would expect that, with the lack of skill to get pass opponents, he would have a good cross in him (beckham is a prime example), but nope, his crosses are as lame as they can be. He doesnt bring anything to the team.

Another blunder by Levy and Mourinho for not realising this gap that we have in that position.

 

[double0]

Which goes to show we all see things a little differently. Such is the nature of subjective interpretation. You see Dele being instrumental, and I see a player who has to me, come to symbolize our wretched form. But I do respect your perspective. And I also try my level best not to patronize those I disagree with. I personally don’t believe a different opinion should be belittled and/or scolded, as a way of expressing an opposing point of view. I invite discourse... but do not get the warm fuzzies when it comes to derisory rebutal. Everyone should be treated with respect and dignity. Well, mostly everyone. Arsenal and Chelsea fans are the exception. ?

What I'm trying to say is... Can't we all just be a smidge nicer to one another, every now and then?

I hear what you're saying and opinions are what it is. A little balance should also be sprinkled so not to isolate victimise or scapegoat.

 

[double0]

Didn’t get to watch the game today, I’ve only just seen the highlights, but I don’t understand why Toby or Jan didn’t start today? And why Tanganga has gone from having a couple of good games, to not being in the side, to being back in?

Surely you must understand Vertoghens absence. Toby too has been really poor.

Hopefully Mourinho gives Dier a run at the back, I saw some promising signs even though we lost.

 

[DannyNZ]

Unfortunately our defence is all at sea and we look vulnerable under any pressure. 1st goal Aurier doesn’t do enough and Tanganga has a mare. Second goal Tanganga needs to stop Traori, Davies has to step in leaving Dier exposed. Third goal Aurier needs to stop the move and Davies stands on the other side watching it unfold. So for me I have Tanganga, Davies and Aurier down as having been really poor defensively with Aurier redeeming himself a bit with his work offensively. Offensively Dele just has to deliver more and step up.

 

[barry]

I must have watched a different game. Should have gone 3-1 up just before they got back to 2-2 and it wouldn’t have been unjustified at that time

They rested a few midweek so were fresher than some may think
Thought we deserved at least a point if not more.
The ratings depending on the result are always funny to see. Most games that we’ve won we’ve been extremely fortunate

I thought we played alright against a dangerous side with a full squad as opposed to us missing our 3 of our best players and 80% of our goals!!!

I totally agree. I really don't know what game some were watching. I think I'm pretty realistic with my POV and i thought we deserved at least a draw.

 

[olliec]

It was actually one of our brightest performances under Mourinho. What they worked on in the week certainly made a difference to our style of play and was finding a lot more pockets of space. Davies is just not a good crosser, but Aurier put in some peaches where Kane or Son would of lapped them up. If Dele also scored the header it was game set and match. You win some you lose Some but I think wolves only had 3 chances in the whole game and they were clinical. On a day we have a natural striker I could see us winning that game quite comfortably but at least it’s given me some optimism that maybe we can push on. Wolves are a good team with a lot of Portuguese internationals. We are a team that is just crocked with has beens and serious injuries. The system worked for this game so I don’t think it’s down to Mourinho but more individual errors.

 

[double0]

I totally agree. I really don't know what game some were watching. I think I'm pretty realistic with my POV and i thought we deserved at least a draw.

A draw may have been a fair result however Wolves were much more dangerous certainly more clinical on the attack.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I must have watched a different game. Should have gone 3-1 up just before they got back to 2-2 and it wouldn’t have been unjustified at that time

They rested a few midweek so were fresher than some may think
Thought we deserved at least a point if not more.
The ratings depending on the result are always funny to see. Most games that we’ve won we’ve been extremely fortunate

I thought we played alright against a dangerous side with a full squad as opposed to us missing our 3 of our best players and 80% of our goals!!!

spot on. It proves most review the result rather than the performance. We were so much better than our previous win versus wolves but I didn’t read as much whining after that performance.

 

[double0]

spot on. It proves most review the result rather than the performance. We were so much better than our previous win versus wolves but I didn’t read as much whining after that performance.

Our shinny brand new stadium is becoming a nightmare. We're losing far to many games

 

[JonnySpurs]

I'm actually happy with that performance atleast we played well, didn't stop passing and actually looked good and dominated for most the game , it goes either way in a game like that , that is so open. Was a good game to watch two good sides. Our best performance under mourinho. We didn't deserve to lose that one.

Well said.

The easiest thing in the world after any loss is to lose your shit and be negative. The harder task is to see through the result and identify what was good, if anything, and try to understand why we lost, particularly when progress has still been made.

Being ahead twice and losing makes you sick to your stomach but if we played well then that shouldn't be overlooked because of the final result.

Whether we accept it or not as a fanbase, we're in a transition period. We had 5 good years with Poch and that's over. The bulk of this squad is still his squad. Mourinho has made some puzzling decisions at times but there is little chance this team will continue to defend as poorly as it is next season and it would be unfair to blame him when the mistakes are being made on an individual level. I saw a stat that something like 74% of goals conceded under Jose have been down to errors. The truth is that a number of these players need to leave this club.

Big changes will be coming in the summer (hopefully). The core of this squad now needs to be built around Lo Celso, Ndombele,Toby, Sanchez, Sess, Winks, Bergwijn, Son, Kane, Lucas etc but beyond that it's gonna be open to much change and it's needed. We have the base of something really good but we need make key signings, mostly in defence (including CDM) and a backup striker. Do that and we will be far better next season.

 

[barry]

A draw may have been a fair result however Wolves were much more dangerous certainly more clinical on the attack.

I could be doing a disservice to Wolves but to me the score reflects how bad we were on defense, rather than some super clinical performance on their part.
We gave them chances they shouldn't miss. This was the worst wolves have played against us since they've been in the prem.
Moral of the story is rotation is fine, but don't fuck with your defence too much.

 

[olliec]

I could be doing a disservice to Wolves but to me the score reflects how bad we were on defense, rather than some super clinical performance on their part.
We gave them chances they shouldn't miss. This was the worst wolves have played against us since they've been in the prem.
Moral of the story is rotation is fine, but don't fuck with your defence too much.

But Toby hasn’t been exactly great has he?

 

[S0S]

Gazza - 3, didn't have a great deal to do, can't really blame him for the goals, but I can't remember him making a save, he didn't command his box well at all (see the time he came out flapping for a completely missed a cross/corner) and his kicking was pretty woeful
I think we should really upgrade our back up keeper options

Serge - 5, great goal, provided some energy and did some things well, but as always he was wasteful, easy to beat, out of position and some of his passing went astray

Sanchez - 5 - he makes me nervous, any time we are defending I am scared he will make an error, he misjudges the flight or bounce of the ball all the time, his passing often goes astray, he's has moments where he seems dominant and commanding and others where he just seems like an utter liability
I Think for £40m he was a poor signing, but he does have enough physical ability that he has the potential to improve in time, so I Think it's probably worth keeping him, unless a decent bid came in to recoup our money and reinvest in a more finished product or prospect with a higher ceiling

Tanganga - 4 - I love this kid, but yesterday wasn't his best game. He really should have dealt with the ball in that led to their first goal better, and he should have wiped out Sanchez for their winner. He was beaten quite easily time and time again and I think looked a little lost in the system we deployed. Showed flashes of what makes him so great and it is clear he is an excellent prospect.

Dier - 6 - bit of a mixed bag, he did some good things, first half I really thought he was doing a good job of supporting the CB's and covering further forward in the defensive midfield. Made some great tackles and looked decent on the ball.
He didn't marshal the backline though, I think he should have stepped up and taken control, we as a unit looked so fragile and Wolves just strolled past us

Davies - 5 - not fast enough, not strong enough, not good enough to be one of our full backs, we need quality and pace like we had when Walker and Rose were at their best. He's a decent player and as a back up he serves a role, but we need better than him
We also need a system that gets either the wide attacking players like Moura and Bergweign coming back to cover the full backs or someone in the CM does so
Every time, every game, we find ourselves defending while the opponents have a man over out wide and so much space to attack us as a result

Winks - 4 - Another kid I really want to do well, I love his passion and his work rate, I want him to be a success, Maybe I am missing something, I hear Jose praising him, I hear many fans sat around me in the stadium waxing lyrical about him and the things he does, but for me he is a big part of our problems. He doesn't do enough defensively to help the back line, he doesn't command the back line, his passing range is very limited and he provides nothing in the way of goals and assists.
Most of the eye catching stuff he did was high effort recovery work for a mistake he had made himself
I think it's time to put him on the bench and try something else, for me he is not good enough to be a Kante type, can't do the dirty work to allow other CM to be creative and can't be creative himself.

Le Celso - 8 - I really thought he was excellent, he was everywhere, tackling, directing others, dictating our play, and recycling the ball with attacking intent, I also like that he has a bit of needle about him and is more than up for the physical demands of our league,
We just need him to start adding some goals and assists to his game

Bergwijn - 6 - good movement, in the right place at the right time to follow up Dele's miss and get himself another goal, was making lots of runs in to good attacking areas without having the pace played to set him away. He's exciting and looks to be settling in well already, I have little doubt he will be a success for us. I feel he could have done more to get back and help his full back out when we had to defend and in truth it was hard to tell he was still on the pitch second half, but he got a goal and continued to show he has something special about him

Dele - 6 - If you count his saved shot that he should really have scored, he got himself two assists, his movement was good, and he got himself in dangerous posiitons, I think he was too deep a lot of the time, if I am being harsh he should have scored that header to put us 3-1 up, he looked more like his real self but I am not sure where he fits in to our system or even where he will fit in once all our best players are back.

Moura - 7 - Like Bergwijn, he was full of energy and made great runs that were not often found, he leaps like a salmon and one everything in the air, I also feel he needs to do more to get back and help the defence when we are under pressure and without seeing the tv replays yet, it looked to me in the stadium that he should have done better with his shot that he hit straight at the defender for pretty much the penalty spot
An attacking player who for all his energy, is not doing enough when it comes to goals and assists (copy and paste statement for most of our squad right now)

Ndombele - 6 - came on and instantly added some attacking energy, he at least tried to play some probing defence splitting passes that would make something happen, it was refreshing to see after so much of our play and been slow, sideways and backwards. He also seemed a bit lost and chasing circles when Wolves had the ball though, I did expect him to have more physicality and more defensive skills to his game, but maybe that's my own fault for having not really watched him play other than highlights and one game against CIty in the CL

Gedson, 5 - he looked a bit lively, but in truth he didn't make anything happen and he took an age to take a throw on when we were in injury time chasing the game.

Parrott - did he touch the ball? what really was the point in waiting until the 90th min to give him his chance?

 

[mr_spurs961]

Gazza 6 really didnt do much,not at fault for anything nothing of consequence saved

Aurier 8
Sometimes it works sometimes not. Made a difference for us

Sanchez 6
Positioning sometimes seems off for me

Tanganga 7
I really like his fight,positioning is ok sometimes can come a cropper to a more seasoned player but though he did well and always assertive which I like

Davies 6 nothing special today

Dier 7 though he played quite well,no defender was spectacular too many spaces

Winks 6 Had opportunities. Not the worst player not the best.Its hard to expect a lot from him. And yet he sometimes gets headline status. I see him as mediocre.

Lo Celso 7.5
Was our best player as far as control goes and balance of his game. A little more end product should come from it

Dele 5 yes some good defensive work and a couple of good runs but doesnt get near his potential. Annoyingly casual.

Bergwjin 7 cant go wrong with him not his best today

Moura 5.5 great first 10 minutes then ran into walls while doing cartwheels on the floor, the crowd called out for more...

You’re the 3rd of 3 individual raters (plus all the general commenters) who totally ignored our £10 million man - Ndombele.
not a criticism (of you, anyway), but...

 

[Ronwol196061]

You’re the 3rd of 3 individual raters (plus all the general commenters) who totally ignored our £10 million man - Ndombele.
not a criticism (of you, anyway), but...

It's fair. I have been a big fan of NDombele but he has disappointed me. I really cringe when I see him come back along with the lack of getting stuck in.
Sorry I did forget to mark that card. I would have probably have given him a 5.5. He didnt create too much none of those great passes and still laxed tackling so I wasnt impressed with that one. You can check my posts in his Player profile page. I was so sure he would by fantastic when he came. His passing was absolutely from another world but not in this one and balancing his positives and negatives is good to try to analyze but he has to hit 4 or 5 telling passes to compensate for the iffy defending. Then he is ahead of the game. Then he can get two DMs even behind him.Burmt he has to do more no doubt about that.
You will see I write about his positives and his negatives as the season went along.

 

[fortworthspur]

I thought we were playing well up until their second. We were holding the ball well and carving out chances. Kind of shocking how quickly we folded.