Jose vs Conte - who did a better job for us?

[Thenewcat]

It also seemed like he was keen on Mourinho and was disappointed when he was sacked. That summer (a few months after we sacked Mourinho) was when he pushed for a move to Manchester City.

Sacking Mourinho was one thing. Replacing him with Nuno was quite another. I can’t imagine any elite footballer wanting to stay at spurs in the circumstances

 

[TOLBINY]

You could see that the players hated playing for Conte. everyone was shit scared of making a mistake.. I imagine those 18-20 months when he was here were so fucking miserable for the whole club, top down to bottom.

Yeh - I remeber how miserable we all were at beating Woolwich 3-0 and pipping them the 4th place.

I don't buy that it was ALL down to Conte, we scored goals (average 2 per game in the Prem under him) we finsihed 4th, we were 4th when he left. I expect he created an environment where players were scared and that isn't good, but I also expect in some cases they were scared becuase they doubted their own ability to perform in the way and at the level he wanted.

 

[spursfan77]

Jose never shat on us or seemed like it was beneath him.


Yeah it didn’t work but he isn’t a prick away from it all.

Conte seems like a prick in general

I agree with your first sentence but not the rest, Mourinho is definitely a prick. How he spoke about Anthony Taylor and his reaction to losing the Europa League final last year went beyond just being a bad loser.

I think Conte wanted the sack from the summer after he was appointed. Everything he did from that point was sabotage. It was a complete waste of everyone's time. Just because if you look at the results from the previous season, the results and performances last season just made little sense. It was absolutely mad how things changed.

Re Mourinho though, I do wonder had it turned out differently for him had fans been in the stadium. Yeah the football was bad but I dont think he would have been able to get away with it as much as he did, had we been there.

 

[kmk]

Jose made me laugh and cry, Conte just made me mostly sad.

Both a terrible fit but if I could choose one again it would be Jose for sure.

The big wins over Arsenal, Villa, Leeds and Newcastle in his first season were thrilling.

It’s just a shame how negative he became.

 

[TheHodFather]

I could never warm to Conte. Jose might be a twat when he's on duty, but I've always suspected that he'd be quite good company for a beer or two when he's off duty. Not sure Conte has an off switch at all.

So on that completely irrelevant basis I'm going with Jose!

 

[Japhet]

If we had to re-appoint one or the other tomorrow, I’d pick Jose.

If we had to re-appoint one or the other tomorrow, I'd shoot myself.

The one thing I'd say about Conte is that he could have signed a contract extension and taken the club for an extra 15m when he was sacked. I think Mourinho would have done just that in the same situation.

 

[Styopa]

Yeh - I remeber how miserable we all were at beating Woolwich 3-0 and pipping them the 4th place.

I don't buy that it was ALL down to Conte, we scored goals (average 2 per game in the Prem under him) we finsihed 4th, we were 4th when he left. I expect he created an environment where players were scared and that isn't good, but I also expect in some cases they were scared becuase they doubted their own ability to perform in the way and at the level he wanted.

Conte was manager, it wasn’t all his fault but he made following Tottenham utterly miserable for a season until he was sacked. He oversaw maybe some of the worst football we have seen here during the last twenty years. Far worse than the widely ridiculed Tim. That’s inexcusable for the resources he was given. He had maybe five or six good months?

I think most people who defend him now are people who bought into his hype and aren’t ready to let that go.

 

[Nebby]

If we had to re-appoint one or the other tomorrow, I'd shoot myself.

The one thing I'd say about Conte is that he could have signed a contract extension and taken the club for an extra 15m when he was sacked. I think Mourinho would have done just that in the same situation.

I feel much the same way. Didn’t want Jose as I think he’s a nasty piece of work. I don’t see Ange feeling the need to stick his thumb into someone’s eye!

But Conte’s football was dire and he repeatedly bit the hand that fed him. Nobody is bigger than the club; certainly not some spoilt little man-child who believed his own hype.

 

[TOLBINY]

Conte was manager, it wasn’t all his fault but he made following Tottenham utterly miserable for a season until he was sacked. He oversaw maybe some of the worst football we have seen here during the last twenty years. Far worse than the ridiculed Tim. That’s inexcusable for the resources he was given. He had maybe five or six good months?

I think most people who defend him now are people who bought into his hype and aren’t ready to let that go.

This time last season Conte had to choose a defence from;

Doherty - we cancelled his contract
Emerson (not even Anges first choice)
Spence (Ange let him go)
Romero - no brainer
Tanganga - Ange let him go
Dier - can't get a sniff under Ange
Lenglet - Ange could have had him if he wanted
Davies - back up under Ange
Sessignon - don't know he is injured...again!

Porro, VDV and Udodgie are a level above all of them except Romero - you still think Conte had the resources to create a strong defence (upon which all good reams are built?)?

 

[Styopa]

This time last season Conte had to choose a defence from;

Doherty - we cancelled his contract
Emerson (not even Anges first choice)
Spence (Ange let him go)
Romero - no brainer
Tanganga - Ange let him go
Dier - can't get a sniff under Ange
Lenglet - Ange could have had him if he wanted
Davies - back up under Ange
Sessignon - don't know he is injured...again!

Porro, VDV and Udodgie are a level above all of them except Romero - you still think Conte had the resources to create a strong defence (upon which all good reams are built?)?

Ah this again. It wasn’t poor Conte’s fault, he didn’t have the players.

Can you imagine though if we sold Kane while Conte was here? My God, that would have really given him something to whinge about.

 

[Ribble]

Conte probably had a higher high but also had a lower low, but Jose also had to deal with a pretty huge & unique problem which certainly affected his tenure.

For me the biggest difference was that Jose wanted to be at the club from the get-go, whereas Conte was never sure (I think of coming back to England in general, rather than just to Spurs). We probably shouldn't have ever gone back after he'd turned us down in the summer.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

This time last season Conte had to choose a defence from;

Doherty - we cancelled his contract
Emerson (not even Anges first choice)
Spence (Ange let him go)
Romero - no brainer
Tanganga - Ange let him go
Dier - can't get a sniff under Ange
Lenglet - Ange could have had him if he wanted
Davies - back up under Ange
Sessignon - don't know he is injured...again!

Porro, VDV and Udodgie are a level above all of them except Romero - you still think Conte had the resources to create a strong defence (upon which all good reams are built?)?

Can you imagine VDV and Udogie starting if he'd still been here? I can't

 

[TOLBINY]

Can you imagine VDV and Udogie starting if he'd still been here? I can't

Udodgie was signed under his watch - he played left wing back for Udinese - so yes I can imagine him starting under Conte (as well as VDV).

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The big wins over Arsenal, Villa, Leeds and Newcastle in his first season were thrilling.

It’s just a shame how negative he became.

Also Man.U & Southampton. We had some big wins under Jose, as you say, shame we reverted to type and went so defensive under him and his general man management wasn’t great, he didn’t treat bale and some others very well and the group never felt particularly United.

I think he’s have won us a cup if he’d got the chance to Manage that final though.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Jose was always respectful of Spurs and the fans. The polar opposite of Conte. Both ultimately failed but I’ll always have more time for Jose. Conte was and is a wanker.

this. I always felt like as annoying and weird as Jose could be he did genuinely respect our fans and club whereas Conte absolutely didn’t and was down right arrogant and rude about us, thought he was completely above the job and our club when he was actually just making a pigs ear of it and pissing everyone off (health issues aside), as you say by the end of it he just came across as a complete entitled wanker and that his was is the only way whIch Ange is showing is completely not the case.

Jose’s pillows comment will always stay with me, that really tickled me at the time.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Udodgie was signed under his watch - he played left wing back for Udinese - so yes I can imagine him starting under Conte (as well as VDV).

He’d never have signed off on VDV as Conte wanted primarily older ‘experienced’ players.

Complete opposite MO to the type of players we want to sign as a club as fans and the vision that Levy has of this young dynamic team.

What we do know is that Maddison wouldn’t have signed for Conte and Conte wouldn’t have signed Maddison just like he turned down Eriksen etc.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You could see that the players hated playing for Conte. everyone was shit scared of making a mistake.. I imagine those 18-20 months when he was here were so fucking miserable for the whole club, top down to bottom.

So true mate, take Bissouma for example and Richy they both looked utterly pissed off, even Son lost his smile and injury aside it’s no coincidence he had his worst ever season.

If you’re happy and enjoying your football you’ll naturally play better.

Conte sucked all the joy out of the players and the fans. Jose the same to an extent but not as badly as Conte imo, Conte was truely truely toxic by the end.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

For all that Conte shat on the club, the players and the fans, it is worth remembering that in the autumn of last year he lost three close friends in Vialli, Mihajlovic and Ventrone. And then to top it all off he had to have emergency surgery in the spring. It was a fucking horrendous time for him as well, and he took it out on the club. We may have disliked that and hated him for it, but in many ways you can sort of understand it.

Having said that, if we had a gun to our head and had to pick one to take back, it would be Jose for me.

On one hand true but tbh mate he’s shit on and set fire to every club he’s left and walked out on (personal issues or not). It’s what he does.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I dont think it’s healty to use ones time to think about this subject.

I think it’s good as it even more makes us appreciate and enjoy Ange.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

His football stank by the end but Jose was weirdly likeable at times whereas I never ever warmed to conte at all.

“Huge huge pillows, expensive duvet, so so good”

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