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NickHSpurs

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I know, I know. We’ve had years of torment and we have PTSD every time we lose or something goes wrong but we’ve got to snap out of this horrible irritating cycle of being doom and gloom merchants at every little bump in the road.

This thread isn’t to discuss last nights team selection, or exiting another cup. It’s about our responsibility as fans to at least try breaking this cycle to make supporting us a bit more bearable.

Maddison got a knock and all of a sudden we can’t have nice things, Gio is shit and not good enough as backup, our squad is shit, we’re gonna finish mid table again.

Udogie gets a knock and same thing, we’re cursed, Reggie couldn’t even lace Atouba’s boots and he’s our backup with Davies, why do the football gods hate us?!

Then last night, suddenly after a really positive start we have one bad result and Ange is Tim Sherwood in disguise.

We’ve got to cut this shit out, we’re such an exhausting fan base at times and I know it’s because we’ve been hurt by years of underachieving, with managers playing horrible football against our philosophies but now we’ve got one who’s trying to repair us.

We’ve got to start looking at the positives and move forward, these rollercoaster highs and lows from one day to another are so tiresome. I’m not saying just be happy clappers for the sake of it but the massively extreme lows at every single little hurdle and “hot takes” are so unhealthy.

Let’s just get behind Ange and whatever players are here by the end of the week and see where it takes us. The support felt so refreshing against United and we need to keep that going off the pitch if we’re going to get past this and put the ghosts of Nuno, Jose and Conte behind us!
 

IfiHadTheWings

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I do agree but the club has to give us something to believe in at some point too.

another meek exit from the cup when the fanbase is so desperate isn't a great start.

i'm still buzzing about our future but that was a kick in the bollox last night.
 

chas vs dave

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I know, I know. We’ve had years of torment and we have PTSD every time we lose or something goes wrong but we’ve got to snap out of this horrible irritating cycle of being doom and gloom merchants at every little bump in the road.

This thread isn’t to discuss last nights team selection, or exiting another cup. It’s about our responsibility as fans to at least try breaking this cycle to make supporting us a bit more bearable.

Maddison got a knock and all of a sudden we can’t have nice things, Gio is shit and not good enough as backup, our squad is shit, we’re gonna finish mid table again.

Udogie gets a knock and same thing, we’re cursed, Reggie couldn’t even lace Atouba’s boots and he’s our backup with Davies, why do the football gods hate us?!

Then last night, suddenly after a really positive start we have one bad result and Ange is Tim Sherwood in disguise.

We’ve got to cut this shit out, we’re such an exhausting fan base at times and I know it’s because we’ve been hurt by years of underachieving, with managers playing horrible football against our philosophies but now we’ve got one who’s trying to repair us.

We’ve got to start looking at the positives and move forward, these rollercoaster highs and lows from one day to another are so tiresome. I’m not saying just be happy clappers for the sake of it but the massively extreme lows at every single little hurdle and “hot takes” are so unhealthy.

Let’s just get behind Ange and whatever players are here by the end of the week and see where it takes us. The support felt so refreshing against United and we need to keep that going off the pitch if we’re going to get past this and put the ghosts of Nuno, Jose and Conte behind us!
I was at the game yesterday.

In 17 minutes of football, we've gone from fans singing "We've got our tottenham back." To "We want levy out chants".

It seems incredibly polarized at the moment and there seems to be very little patience, imo.
 
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NickHSpurs

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I do agree but the club has to give us something to believe in at some point too.

another meek exit from the cup when the fanbase is so desperate isn't a great start.

i'm still buzzing about our future but that was a kick in the bollox last night.

Ange is the thing to believe in mate, drown out all the other noise. Look at the progress he made in just three league games from the shite we’ve been served up under the last three managers!
 

Gassin's finest

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TOLBINY

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Kudos to that supprt last night - hardly stopped singing, even if some of it was anti Levy / pro Michael Mcyntire!
 

IfiHadTheWings

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Ange is the thing to believe in mate, drown out all the other noise. Look at the progress he made in just three league games from the shite we’ve been served up under the last three managers!
No doubt we've got an exciting journey ahead but i'm not going to pretend us going out in the same manner as we have in the last few seasons hasn't pissed me off.

it felt avoidable.
 

NickHSpurs

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I was at the game yesterday.

In 17 minutes of football, we've gone from fans singing "We've got our tottenham back." To "We want levy out chants".

It seems incredibly bi polar at the moment and there seems to be very little patience, imo.

This. It isn’t just fans on Twitter anymore, the poison in the stands spreads alarming quickly. WHL still feels like we’re one loss away from moans, groans and booing, it’s like walking on eggshells.
 

WiganSpur

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The sentiment about players is bang on but it's not just a Spurs thing. I think the modern football fan is very fickle when it comes to players having one bad or one good game. We're all guilty of it.

Having said that I really do understand the frustration from last night. I think the fans would have understood if we'd lost playing alright and had at least given ourselves the best opportunity to win the match by making only 4-5 changes.
 

WiganSpur

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I was at the game yesterday.

In 17 minutes of football, we've gone from fans singing "We've got our tottenham back." To "We want levy out chants".

It seems incredibly bi polar at the moment and there seems to be very little patience, imo.
I really do wish the fans would call for Levy to go when we're winning a game or cruising. It just makes us look ridiculous when it only comes out in the face of adversity and doesn't actually help the cause.
 

NickHSpurs

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Ange deserves patience, but Levy has had more than enough

We have to try and separate the two for a little while. Levy isn’t going anywhere so our support for Ange is more important than dislike of Levy, just for now.
 

WiganSpur

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We have to try and separate the two for a little while. Levy isn’t going anywhere so our support for Ange is more important than dislike of Levy, just for now.
I really don't see why we can't do both. Levy out is a positive thing for me it's a chant of hope. DL will want you to believe it's toxic and affects the players and the atmosphere.
 

HildoSpur

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To be fair all club supporters are exactly the same, this isn't just a Spurs thing. It's a human nature thing
 

chas vs dave

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I really do wish the fans would call for Levy to go when we're winning a game or cruising. It just makes us look ridiculous when it only comes out in the face of adversity and doesn't actually help the cause.

I'd rather we spent the energy supporting the team, and kept protests to outside the stadium pre match.

People are entitled to chant what they feel like chanting, but it feels reactionary. Like a temper tantrum.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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In an age that prioritises instant gratification and short attention spans, you can’t really be surprised that the mood swings so quickly within the fan base.

The younger the fan base becomes, the more modern problems become a part of supporting a football club. The more integrated social media becomes with football, the more impatient a fan base will become.

15 second short videos, instant food deliveries, social media that is based on comparison, these are just a few of the things that are intoxicating every fabric of society in the modern age.

Patience and logic are becoming more difficult to find, and those that tend to display these traits are in general of an older generation (I’m an early 90’s baby, so I’ve experienced “both” sides of the coin.)

It’s going to take time to rebuild this team, there is just too much deadwood in and around the squad at the moment. If only people could relax and give it 2-3 seasons to materialise it would make everyone more content and happier when we do finally achieve that success we’re all craving. Nothing worth having comes easy.
 

NickHSpurs

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I really don't see why we can't do both. Levy out is a positive thing for me it's a chant of hope. DL will want you to believe it's toxic and affects the players and the atmosphere.

I agree with the sentiment mate but we only seem capable of singing it when we’re losing and it starts the relentless moaning and groaning in the stands.

If we were to sing it at full time every single week regardless of the result that would be ideal I think.
 

WiganSpur

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I'd rather we spent the energy supporting the team, and kept protests to outside the stadium pre match.

People are entitled to chant what they feel like chanting, but it feels reactionary. Like a temper tantrum.
Agreed it feels like a tantrum but it shouldn't be. As said I think the fans have to be consistent with it. Bring it out when we're cruising and sing it with other positive chants.
 

dimiSpur

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You'll get the odd knee jerk reaction. But if you're referring to the Levy out chanting, then I completely disagree with you.

The majority of the fanbase wants him gone due to the last two decades worth of mistakes. The latest one, is being stuck in the final hours of the window with 100+m in money that he got from selling one of our best ever players (and who he hasn't replaced yet, neither are we even seemingly close to doing so). There always seems to be some excuse too.

We were buying land for the stadium, then we were building the stadium, then we had the loan, then Covid hit, now its we have too many deadwood players to get rid of before we can spend any more money on players we desperately need.

And last night was a wake up from the dreamy start we've had, which shows how fragile the squad is, not the support.

To call a fanbase which has the highest ticket prices and yet sells out home and away, playing shit football for the last 4 years and not winning anything since 2008 "fragile" because they voice opinions and don't just support Levy blindly, is lazy.

They stuck with the team last night and despite discussion around Ange's team selection (which was suspect), I don't think there's been a massive overreaction.

Edit: And any dramatics we may or may not show, is a result of the piss poor management of the Club for 20+ years. When you're already on the verge of a nervous breakdown, it's the little things that push you over (like a Maddison crutches moment).
 

Albertbarich

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I'm at a very peculiar stage in my fandom.

I despise Levy and his pals and think they're a cancer destroying the club. When I say destroy I mean it to. With every passing season the fanbase is more divided, priced out of seeing our team , home ground is now a souless entertainment venue used to boost their asset and we're on a cycle of hope and failure. And to be fair a lot of this is just modern football but I do believe that Levy is one of the worst examples of the heartless greed that runs through it

But I adore Ange, adore him. His attitude is exactly what Tottenham Hotspur should be about, he speaks so well with a refreshing honesty and I still want to protect our team like it's my own family.

I wont overact to a bad result as the issues and hopes remain the same , one game doesn't change that.

So I'm very much caught between two sides and all I can do is try and enjoy the positives and ignore the other stuff .
 
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