Racist abuse in our stands, we need to face it if it’s there.

[ralphs bald spot]

There will be no ground closure or points deduction so let's rule that out.
Last week a Man City fan was clearly seen to be making monkey gestures at Utd players, what was their punishment?
Last season, several Chelsea fans could be clearly seen screaming racist abuse at Raheem Sterling, what was their punishment?
You can bet your life that Sky would've been poring over the footage for every single camera they had at the game...and what has come to light so far?

You seem to have had your head in the sand about 'being above this'...no-ones sugarcoating it, abuse of that nature shouldn't be tolerated, but racism in general society seems to be having a resurgence over the last few years, why you'd think our fanbase would be exempt from that is a bit daft.

No people are sugar coating it and its up to the supporters to stand against it and that's all of us.. Rudiger heard it and that's enough for all us to feel ashamed

Head in the sand I am not sure what you mean but if you mean I am not willing to accept and find it embarrassing then your right I don't accept it at any level. The people doing it are cowards and wouldn't do that to the blokes face

As for points or ground closure that has to start happening you can't let this behaviour go on. As for more frequent in society well the rest os us have to take a stand

 

[ralphs bald spot]

so evidence isn't necessary?

i just hope that if i'm ever accused of any wrongdoing i don't get you as a judge ...

There is evidence ask Rudiger he heard it that's enough !!! Geez sometimes you have to be a little bit gracious and go we were wrong what happened is disgusting and we shouldn't be blaming him

 

[Dr Benson]

Were you at the game? I wouldn’t say I felt particularly safe where I was sat in and amongst our own ‘fans’. You cannot honestly say that our fans are good, everyone else is bad! The wenger song, sol Campbell song, Alonso song. The list goes on. There shouldn’t be a place in society let alone football for this kind of behaviour!

And that was my point in a previous post, that it seems these songs are okay and that most songs and insulting chants are okay as long as they are not racist or based on racism. It is kind of a paradox. Sol Campbell made that situation himself. But, maybe enough is enough. It should be children friendly at games too, so there are limits. I agree. But I don't think we need to make this a bigger problem than it actually is. Football is football. The tribalism is a big part of it. No I wasn't there. I sat beside my christmas tree safe and sorry.

 

[bat-chain]

what If he actually was mistaken though?

what if he simply didn’t hear what he thought he did?

 

[Gb160]

Tier 1 trolling by Ralph.

 

[spud]

As I said in the match day thread, I believe racism is evil and anybody giving racist abuse should have a lifetime ban from every football ground in the world, have to do at least 1,000 hours community service and be fined, the proceeds of which should go to anti-racism organisations.

However, this needs to be proven first. It is entirely possible that - after his appalling act of simulation when Son was (rightly) sent off - it's entirely possible that the crowd was simply booing Rudiger for being the cheating prick that he is rather than racially abusing him.

 

[worcestersauce]

I can't believe your willing to condone it - the man heard monkey noises and that's enough. We have to accept any punishment and if that's points or ground closure then so be it. You can't accept behaviour like this its time to move on. and as supporters we have to stand up against it . We have prided ourselves to be above this its a sad say when we aren't and we shouldn't be sugarcoating this


it I could see a cup or bottle on the pitch from my seat

I'm not condoning anything it just isn't done to accept one man's word without some kind of corroboration enough to take punitive action. In my earliest post I said I hope they can get that evidence to support him otherwise it puts him in this position. Obviously one connotation of this is that he's lying, I'm certainly not saying that but if no other players heard it and there is nothing else then the possibility exists that he is mistaken and you can't close the ground on that basis.
You appear to be saying we should take the opportunity to publicly cleanse ourselves and display our credentials, I doubt you are but that's what it might look like to some.
What you could see from your seat was a paper cup there were no bottles.

 

[MattyP]

Puts him in a difficult situation ? How the bloke is being abused at his place work even if he just thinks it, that's enough. Its disgusting. The announcement wasn't made just once so it continued we are in the wrong end of .

i honestly think we will be luck if the ground isn't closed for a game

Spurs have already confirmed there was one alleged incident, not three to correspond to the three announcements that were made.

I heard nothing where I was in the Park Lane, reasonably sure had something been said around where I was the culprit would’ve been dealt with by those around them.

Cameras all over our new stadium, if something was said or done, by one or more, they will be found.

Education for me is the way forward.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

Was at the game today and was aware of the game stopping and the ref going over to the touch line. What actually happened? I was aware of booing and idiots throwing things. What else happened? Didn’t hear any hissing either, just shushing.

 

[JKendall13]

Think this is quite sensible and well-handled from Rudiger. He’s absolutely spot on.

 

[tommythetank]

There is evidence ask Rudiger he heard it that's enough !!! Geez sometimes you have to be a little bit gracious and go we were wrong what happened is disgusting and we shouldn't be blaming him

Literally no one is blaming rudiger. There is a suggestion he may have misinterpreted boos/y word chants. If it is proven beyond all doubt to be a misinterpretation, is the fact that he thought he heard something still enough to condemn someone of racism? If the answer is no, your line of reasoning is wrong. If it is yes, then you do away with reality. ( If someone is found to have been racist them hang then out to dry but we must see evidence first)

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I'm not condoning anything it just isn't done to accept one man's word without some kind of corroboration enough to take punitive action. In my earliest post I said I hope they can get that evidence to support him otherwise it puts him in this position. Obviously one connotation of this is that he's lying, I'm certainly not saying that but if no other players heard it and there is nothing else then the possibility exists that he is mistaken and you can't close the ground on that basis.
You appear to be saying we should take the opportunity to publicly cleanse ourselves and display our credentials, I doubt you are but that's what it might look like to some.
What you could see from your seat was a paper cup there were no bottles.

Look I think the very fact that he felt that it happened makes it uncomfortable for me and yes i can see that people see it as something that's rising in society generally but I don't have to accept and nor should all of us, He gains nothing by lying they won the game comfortably though I do accept that things may get distorted in the heat of the moment but and things may get misheard though I have no expereince of playing football in front of crowds other than a couple of hundred. so I don;t know Whether its Spurs or anyone else I do believe that actions have to be taken but its almost impossible that you can after other clubs have equally behaved poorly as others have pointed out , Maybe that needs to be set out in the rules at the beginning of the season,

Public cleansing well maybe, but for me we have had the moral high ground and but for a few idiots that slips away and that saddens me. This very week we have had the Yiddo thing raise its head again and today will ramp that up yet further.

The bottle I see from where I was sitting it looked paper anyway

For me the very fact that we are talking about some idiots is just sad it was a pretty poor day for us and this makes it a whole lot worse

 

[poc]

Ought it be?

What?

 

[Thewobbler]

If rudiger heard it then surely quite a few fans who were sitting in the vacinity of the alleged racial abusers would have heard it and reported it?

 

[Ben1]

'Stop being so politically correct'
'Chelsea do it, not us'
'Football is football, tribalism that's all'
'It's not a big deal, stop making it a bigger problem'

There may or may not end up being evidence of racism today. It may have been a misunderstanding or a horrible horrible incident. I won't get into that debate.

But these quotes pulled from that last few pages of this thread are the problem. They are the core issues behind it all.

It IS a big problem, it ISN'T 'just football', politically correct is a term used to excuse it and it doesn't matter whether other teams do it as well/more.

Just stop.

 

[Gb160]

'Stop being so politically correct'
'Chelsea do it, not us'
'Football is football, tribalism that's all'
'It's not a big deal, stop making it a bigger problem'

There may or may not end up being evidence of racism today. It may have been a misunderstanding or a horrible horrible incident. I won't get into that debate.

But these quotes pulled from that last few pages of this thread are the problem. They are the core issues behind it all.

It IS a big problem, it ISN'T 'just football', politically correct is a term used to excuse it and it doesn't matter whether other teams do it as well/more.

Just stop.

If you actually quote the posters who made these posts they might get your message.

 

[bubble07]

I assume Rusiger didnt see the the people he is accusing? I havnet seen it happen before but the player should literally point them out to get then banned

 

[JCRD]

This will be an unpopular opinion I know but unless there is evidence, eye witness of racism then how do we know for sure?

Im not saying Rudiger misheard but what stops someone (who I may or may never have spoken to before) going to the police etc accusing me of saying something racist? If we are going to go down this line... then it can be dangerous

The Man City incident - there was clear evidence of it, Bulgaria there was clear evidence... this incident? not so much and not yet anyways but thats why i think the media attention is unwarranted for now...

However yeah throw the damn book at the fucker if there was any racism...

 

[Nocando]

Racism is racism. The context is irrelevant.

Actually context is everything when proving racism. The law essentially needs to understand the context in order to prove it was racist. But i understand what you meant in your reply.

I heard someone call Willian an animal as he went to take a corner. Only the person who shouted that knows what he meant. Was just a bit of an odd thing to say.

Plus i saw a coin thrown at him too.

 

[Misfit]

so evidence isn't necessary?

i just hope that if i'm ever accused of any wrongdoing i don't get you as a judge ...

Listen and believe, or are you one of those "witch" people who float in water?