Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[PLTuck]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improve, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

FWIW I hope they both stay and both improve.

 

[tobi]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improive, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

Dele has stagnated as a player for going on three seasons now, he needs a fresh start.

 

[PLTuck]

Dele has stagnated as a player for going on three seasons now, he needs a fresh start.

a popular narrative but one I don't subscribe to, because I think it's lazy thinking.

Maybe he's taken his eye off the prize. Maybe he did what a lot of young men do and lost some focus. Maybe the 18 months under Jose has made him grow up a bit, and this right now is the only fresh start he needs.

 

[sundanceyid10]

a popular narrative but one I don't subscribe to, because I think it's lazy thinking..

Maybe he's taken his eye off the prize. Maybe he did what a lot of young men do and lost some focus. Maybe the 18 months under Jose has made him grow up a bit, and this right now is the only fresh start he needs.

There are lots of players I would rather see out the door before him.

 

[PLTuck]

There are lots of players I would rather see out the door before him.

I mean I've never really rated Lucas, but I don't go onto the Lucas thread every time he runs down another blind alley saying I want him out.

Every time Dele plays a wayward pass or tries a trick to beat his man and it doesn't work out you get screams of sell him for a tenner and box of chocs. It's confirmation bias at it's worst.

Tanguy let matey go for Leeds 3rd and it barely got a mention.

 

[Mornstar]

seeing him grimace in pain as he ran onto the pitch against wolves did make me wonder if Tanguy's a lot older than lyon led us to believe? The Tangoe add from the 90s came to my mind.....you know when you've been Tanguy'd

 

[Supersi32]

We have killed NDombele. Mason refusing to play him as cost him. Mason is more concerned with helping Dier, winks and Alli to get in the England squad

Let's be honest, he has pulled a few nice passes out of his ass on occasion but generally he's been pony, never dominates a game, continually hiding & pointing to others who should receive the ball and can't get to grips with the intensity, physicality and pace of the Premier League, whatever the midfield question is, he's not the answer.

 

[delawarespur]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improve, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

FWIW I hope they both stay and both improve.

I don’t think it’s fair to bash him for his goal contribution numbers. Before signing, his best output was 3 goals and 7 assists in all comps in 18/19. This season he has 6 goals and 4 assists. He was never signed to be an attacking midfielder, it’s just he’s been played there some this season. Significant goal and assist numbers was something I wasn’t expecting when he signed. There are other things to criticize him about, but I think he really improved this season when I was really worried after last season what his future would hold.

I think Dele has other issues, mainly he set a crazy high bar for himself, injuries, complacency maybe? Neither player is finished, nor clearly not good enough, but neither are either living up to what they could be right now. A new manager with new philosophies is needed to get the most out of these talents, and with dele’s recent improvement, both can be massive figures next season hopefully.

 

[tobi]

a popular narrative but one I don't subscribe to, because I think it's lazy thinking.

Maybe he's taken his eye off the prize. Maybe he did what a lot of young men do and lost some focus. Maybe the 18 months under Jose has made him grow up a bit, and this right now is the only fresh start he needs.

It started long before Jose took over.

Ndombele played in a midfield two against Man City home and away in the Champions League and it was a rare occasion where City faced a midfield two and didn't suffocate them. Lyon's setup in both games was excellent (not ultra defensive) and the City players couldn't handle him.

Ndombele (and others) need to be put in a position to succeed, if they fail in that environment then fair enough, until we see that outcome he should be given every chance possible to be a success because he is a gamechanger with an incredible skillset.

He is the last player I'd consider selling in this squad.

 

[Thewobbler]

He should get one more season, if the new guy can't get him performing on a consistent basis then we should sell. I wouldnt be surprised if he wants out this summer, its not been a great move for him and he isnt going to the euros.

 

[Shadydan]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improve, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

FWIW I hope they both stay and both improve.

False equivalence that, they are not comparable situations.

 

[jay2040]

I'd rather the new manager have funds from the sale of Tangy. No one should need motivation to run on the pitch and show some passion. Its not innate for him and he has not shown the love of Tottenham that someone like Reggie has demonstrated. Get rid of the fucker...

 

[DannyNZ]

Whatever your views on Sissoko he has done a job for France. Ndombele is just unfulfilled potential. I think the opportunity cost of hanging on to Ndombele and hoping he finds an engine and some desire is too great, time to cut losses and get someone in with a bit of a ticker who can be relied on to turn up. Hope is never a great strategy.

 

[Kuryakin]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improve, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

FWIW I hope they both stay and both improve.

He' not an attack minded midfielder. He's more of a Dembele player than anything.

 

[cozzo]

NDombele has a good run of games and then he has two bad games (along with the rest of the team) and he’s never to be seen again. Dier has been a lot worse and literally cost us goals and solidifies his place. There are a few players that have been literally thrown away. I honestly believe that Mason is prioritising the England players due to the Euros (which is fair enough as he is English).

 

[fecka]

NDombele has a good run of games and then he has two bad games (along with the rest of the team) and he’s never to be seen again. Dier has been a lot worse and literally cost us goals and solidifies his place. There are a few players that have been literally thrown away. I honestly believe that Mason is prioritising the England players due to the Euros (which is fair enough as he is English).

He's the definition of a MOTD-player. Ndombele has likely cost us as many points as Dier indirectly this season by being a passenger. Easily one of the laziest central midfielders off the ball I've seen in the prem since I began following it in 2010

 

[punkisback]

NDombele has a good run of games and then he has two bad games (along with the rest of the team) and he’s never to be seen again. Dier has been a lot worse and literally cost us goals and solidifies his place. There are a few players that have been literally thrown away. I honestly believe that Mason is prioritising the England players due to the Euros (which is fair enough as he is English).

Seems like exactly this. Too many players not good enough able to have a word in Masons ear. Ndombele s work rate was fine under Jose, however as you say the whole team plays bad and he’s scapegoated. Whilst England outcasts like dier and winks get so many free passes.

 

[fecka]

Seems like exactly this. Too many players not good enough able to have a word in Masons ear. Ndombele s work rate was fine under Jose, however as you say the whole team plays bad and he’s scapegoated. Whilst England outcasts like dier and winks get so many free passes.

Dier and Winks are definitely not getting any free passes. They'd likely have to play very well for at least a couple of games before any positivities would even remotely come their way from more than one or two posters here.
Ndombeles work rate hasn't been fine under Jose, rather it's been quite abysmal at times. The only reason Ndombele has started so much this season is because the alternatives have been even more abysmal.

 

[punkisback]

Dier and Winks are definitely not getting any free passes. They'd likely have to play very well for at least a couple of games before any positivities would even remotely come their way from more than one or two posters here.
Ndombeles work rate hasn't been fine under Jose, rather it's been quite abysmal at times. The only reason Ndombele has started so much this season is because the alternatives have been even more abysmal.

In a lot of games he was one of the top scorers for possession won and distance run, especially from that no10 position.

 

[parj]

whichever way you look at it, 3 goals and 2 assists in 32 PL appearances in your 2nd season is not good enough for a club record signing attack minded midfielder.

Blows my mind how people will defend Tanguy to the hilt saying he has plenty of time to improve, whilst at the same time lay into Dele saying he is past it and can't improve.

FWIW I hope they both stay and both improve.

I would say the stat is misleading because our game play this season was get the ball to Kane and Son. It will be interesting how many passes NDombele made that led to the assist.