Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[pedrodelawasp]

Watching this just reminded me how desperately we need a real creative force, as it's just so hard to break teams down with the players we have. We can't just rely on Gio. I'd happily sell NDombele and Lamela if it meant we could fund a deal for Grealish.

I just don’t get the Grealish thing. Villa will insist on an absolute fortune for him, as is their prerogative to do so, but I cannot fathom why we would give them it. Is he really that good?

 

[emiley heskey]

A lot of that might have been down to him feeling comfortable in France, his homeland, in a less demanding league.

Ndombele always had attitude and fitness problem ... Check his previous coaches and trainers interview regarding ndombele back in 2017, 2018 ...

 

[DanNolan]

in all honesty the only place i see him going to this summer is PSG. They can afford him and he'd jump at the chance to move home youd think. This inter nonsense better not be true, if we get rid of Ndombele it'll just create yet another position of creative midfielder which this window will make impossible to get anyone good enough with our budget.
I think there is no upside to selling him this summer or swapping with anyone other then a like for like replacement of simialar age and talent (cant actually think of one)

 

[kent brockman]

-He doesn't seem happy, he can't seem to stay fit or get fit and his entourage are pushing stories of him leaving left right and centre so Levy might just think you know what if we can get our money back its better to do it now rather than potentially we keep him for another season where he doesn't play and then his value will have really depreciated a lot by then
-Jose might well have weighed it up and thought look he doesn't fit with my plans, lets use him as a cash cow and that way I can re-invest into 3-4 other key signings who will make much more of a difference overall.

Certainly very difficult decisions need to be made. However, the idea of using TND as a cash cow to fund new purchases this summer seems to disregard that we probably would not get anywhere near what we paid for him last year. So it is not like selling TND will enable us to buy someone like eg Grealish. Swapping him for someone like Skrinniar sounds quite depressing to me, and also does not help us to fund a replacement in CM.

Whereas his value certainly will drop even further if he does not step it up this upcoming season, he will still have four years left on his contract by next summer. So we can still loan him out for a decent loan fee for the 21/22 season and then be able to sell him by the end of the loan. I would guess TND himself wants to leave right now, as he probably does not fancy having to work very hard. The big question for me is how he will react once he understands that he will be staying for at least another year. Ie will he he roll up his sleeves, or will he just become the next Winston Bogarde?

 

[Haddock]

I still don't believe Ndombele will leave. But just to entertain the thought: Even though Skriniar is an already good CB with the potential to be a phenomenal defender I'm not sure we're in need of him. Our CB situation could be improved but when viewing our squad as a whole our CB's are solid and good enough. Surely we have other more pressing concerns regarding RB, CM, cover for Kane etc.

Brozovic. That would be more interesting imho.

 

[emiley heskey]

in all honesty the only place i see him going to this summer is PSG. They can afford him and he'd jump at the chance to move home youd think. This inter nonsense better not be true, if we get rid of Ndombele it'll just create yet another position of creative midfielder which this window will make impossible to get anyone good enough with our budget.
I think there is no upside to selling him this summer or swapping with anyone other then a like for like replacement of simialar age and talent (cant actually think of one)

SMS at lazio

 

[emiley heskey]

I still don't believe Ndombele will leave. But just to entertain the thought: Even though Skriniar is a already good CB with the potential to be a phenomenal defender I'm not sure we're in need of him. Our CB situation could be improved but when viewing our squad as a whole our CB's are solid and good enough. Surely we have other more pressing concerns regarding RB, CM, cover for Kane etc.

Brozovic. That would be more interesting imho.

Sell ndombele and get skriniar and brozovic in swap for him ... Sell davinson sanchez for 40 odds and with that money, buy another creative midfielder .. if levy sees it that way ...

 

[C0YS]

Brozovic is one hell of a player. Anyone know if he's getting a game at Inter at the mo?

Yes, every game. Key player as the deepest midfielder. Now PEH is signed I dont see him as being a particularly important signing, but would still take him.

 

[George94]

Sell ndombele and get skriniar and brozovic in swap for him ... Sell davinson sanchez for 40 odds and with that money, buy another creative midfielder .. if levy sees it that way ...

Levy definitely sees it as "lets not sell the midfielder I bought for £50m last summer and make a loss a year later"

 

[emiley heskey]

Levy definitely sees it as "lets not sell the midfielder I bought for £50m last summer and make a loss a year later"

In current market skriniar worth 50m and brozovic 25-30m .. I dont think it will be a loss for levy

 

[delawarespur]

Brozovic is one hell of a player. Anyone know if he's getting a game at Inter at the mo?

If a swap with inter is to happen, brozovic is probably the most ready made replacement in their squad. CB isn’t a position of need imo, barella, sensi still settling in. Valero a fossil. Eriksen well... gagliardini is shit to put in kindly (according to inter fans). Lautaro, lukaku not realistic. Fullbacks and forwards not good enough or PL rejects. He really found his true potential under the last spaletti year, where he was made into more of a regista. Shined in that role at WC 2018 but modric overshadowed his brilliance. As a regista, he is so calm on the ball and dictates play from deep. He can slow the game down or speed it up as he sees fit. His passing range is elite, his weight of pass and vision is wonderful. He has a cracker of a shot from distance, his ball striking technique is top drawer. He covers the most ground in the inter squad by a large margin. He runs all game tracking back when required, and his tackling is precise and effective. The biggest compliment is that when he doesn’t play, inter look lost, and they’re disjointed in the transition game and impatient in the build up. The negatives: not the quickest, but not a snail. Age maybe? He turns 28 in the fall I believe. Lastly, he’s spent the past 5-6 years in Italy, and serie a might be the furthest away stylistically from the prem out of all the major leagues. I rate him almost on the same level as a Toni Kroos, but the thing is I don’t know if Kroos and brozovic would be as good in the prem. One thing for sure, he’s been one of the best midfielders in Italy and Europe the past 3 seasons. The most similar player in the prem is Jorginho obviously, but Jorginho is a snail, and he lacks defensive qualities while brozovic certainly doesn’t lack defensively. Jorginho also doesn’t have the goal and assist output anywhere near brozovic, even when Jorginho was at Napoli. Brozovic has racked up around 10 g/a this season in all comps, which is phenomenal for a player in his position/role. I think he’d be a success, especially in the short term, and that is exactly what I think Jose wants.

 

[Goobers]

I absolutely love Tanguy and his talent. He has bag loads. But he is getting a lot more allowance from our fan base than other players. A lot more and I don’t really understand it.
We have information that he has not been training well since arriving - massive red light.
We have been given information from Ally Gold that his entourage will leak information to the press and are somewhat disruptive sounding - another real worry.
He has a string of muscular injuries - fair play.
First year in the PL - of course gets a pass for this.
When given opportunities by Jose has played poorly - there is no getting around this - anyone that was at the lane as I was for the Wolves game must have come out embarrassed about what they were seeing. It was a shambles of an individual performance.
His performance against Burnley in front of the cameras was jaw droppingly bad.
Under Poch when he played I thoigh there was lovely aspects to his play but real issues - highlighted beautifully in the Bayern home game when in the first half was proving their defence and freeing Harry and Sonny onto one on ones regaualry. Then anything behind him he struggled with. We had little control of the midfield to the point that when they got past our press they were essentially one on one with our defence.
I really want this to work but I have seen worrying aspects to him staying that make me very cynical as to whether this lad is up to it. This has nothing to do with the manager. He has done the right thing because at the moment Tanguy has not dmeosbrated that he deserves to be in our first team. The amount of shit José is getting for not picking him is laughable and embarrassing. He Also knows that he can practically not pick him without the requisite type players alongside him like a defensive minded midfielder for example ...

 

[keithtighe93]

There's a lot of smoke...

 

[emiley heskey]

If a swap with inter is to happen, brozovic is probably the most ready made replacement in their squad. CB isn’t a position of need imo, barella, sensi still settling in. Valero a fossil. Eriksen well... gagliardini is shit to put in kindly (according to inter fans). Lautaro, lukaku not realistic. Fullbacks and forwards not good enough or PL rejects. He really found his true potential under the last spaletti year, where he was made into more of a regista. Shined in that role at WC 2018 but modric overshadowed his brilliance. As a regista, he is so calm on the ball and dictates play from deep. He can slow the game down or speed it up as he sees fit. His passing range is elite, his weight of pass and vision is wonderful. He has a cracker of a shot from distance, his ball striking technique is top drawer. He covers the most ground in the inter squad by a large margin. He runs all game tracking back when required, and his tackling is precise and effective. The biggest compliment is that when he doesn’t play, inter look lost, and they’re disjointed in the transition game and impatient in the build up. The negatives: not the quickest, but not a snail. Age maybe? He turns 28 in the fall I believe. Lastly, he’s spent the past 5-6 years in Italy, and serie a might be the furthest away stylistically from the prem out of all the major leagues. I rate him almost on the same level as a Toni Kroos, but the thing is I don’t know if Kroos and brozovic would be as good in the prem. One thing for sure, he’s been one of the best midfielders in Italy and Europe the past 3 seasons. The most similar player in the prem is Jorginho obviously, but Jorginho is a snail, and he lacks defensive qualities while brozovic certainly doesn’t lack defensively. Jorginho also doesn’t have the goal and assist output anywhere near brozovic, even when Jorginho was at Napoli. Brozovic has racked up around 10 g/a this season in all comps, which is phenomenal for a player in his position/role. I think he’d be a success, especially in the short term, and that is exactly what I think Jose wants.

Brozovic will become best premier league midfielder if he plays under jose ... Imagine skriniar at cb, hojberg and brozovic in double pivot ...

 

[DanNolan]

we just gave dier a nice big new contract, we did the same for Toby, we spent 40m on sanchez and have tanganga coming through... skrinar though a possible upgrade is not needed enough to risk swapping our record signing for?

 

[tiger666]

Where's this Brozovic stuff coming from?

 

[mill]

Where's this Brozovic stuff coming from?

Was kicking around when the ndombele to inter stories first came up

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I'm guessing he means Mkhitaryan for Sanchez. Although the way Sanchez went from world-beater at Arsenal to loser at Utd almost instantly was quite remarkable and obviously unpredictable.

Sanchez was bad for half a season before he signed for Man Utd, following a move to Man City breaking down on deadline day of the previous transfer window.

But Mourinho has made some good swap deals in the past.

Getting Eto'o + £59m (reportedly) for Ibrahimovic was a good bit of business.

Ashley Cole for Gallas + £5m too.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

SMS at lazio

Donny Van de Beek - 45m euro rated, apparently has a deal lined up with Real Madrid but they need to clear 200m in sales before buying. We have made offers in the past..

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

If a swap with inter is to happen, brozovic is probably the most ready made replacement in their squad. CB isn’t a position of need imo, barella, sensi still settling in. Valero a fossil. Eriksen well... gagliardini is shit to put in kindly (according to inter fans). Lautaro, lukaku not realistic. Fullbacks and forwards not good enough or PL rejects. He really found his true potential under the last spaletti year, where he was made into more of a regista. Shined in that role at WC 2018 but modric overshadowed his brilliance. As a regista, he is so calm on the ball and dictates play from deep. He can slow the game down or speed it up as he sees fit. His passing range is elite, his weight of pass and vision is wonderful. He has a cracker of a shot from distance, his ball striking technique is top drawer. He covers the most ground in the inter squad by a large margin. He runs all game tracking back when required, and his tackling is precise and effective. The biggest compliment is that when he doesn’t play, inter look lost, and they’re disjointed in the transition game and impatient in the build up. The negatives: not the quickest, but not a snail. Age maybe? He turns 28 in the fall I believe. Lastly, he’s spent the past 5-6 years in Italy, and serie a might be the furthest away stylistically from the prem out of all the major leagues. I rate him almost on the same level as a Toni Kroos, but the thing is I don’t know if Kroos and brozovic would be as good in the prem. One thing for sure, he’s been one of the best midfielders in Italy and Europe the past 3 seasons. The most similar player in the prem is Jorginho obviously, but Jorginho is a snail, and he lacks defensive qualities while brozovic certainly doesn’t lack defensively. Jorginho also doesn’t have the goal and assist output anywhere near brozovic, even when Jorginho was at Napoli. Brozovic has racked up around 10 g/a this season in all comps, which is phenomenal for a player in his position/role. I think he’d be a success, especially in the short term, and that is exactly what I think Jose wants.

Nice info but why would they swap him as sounds like he’s better than tangy?