Match Threads Newcastle vs Spurs - Match Thread

[teok]

I agree it was weird game. Newcastle are actually quite a weird team. That said I'm still pissed off with liverpool.

 

[Rusta81]

Not that I’m disagreeing with you but when Newcastle’s midfield consists of Matt Ritchie, Nabil Bentaleb, Jonjo Shelvey and Miguel Almiron you realise how bad ours actually is.

Agree . I meant the midfield two . Our players are different but I would maybe put bentaleb and shelvey in front of winks and moussa

 

[DiVaio]

They had more possession than us
They had more shots than us
They had more shots on target than us
They had more corners than us
They had a territorial advantage for most of the game
They pressed more effectively

They had, but 53-47 is hardly any difference.
They had more shots, but they weren't dangerous.
They had 1 more shots on target, but our were much better(look at xG).
Territorial advantage?

Wouldn't say so, we had more touches in their penalty than they had in ours, we also made more passes in that area.
They didn't press more effectively than us.
Probably best way to measure this is PPDA(Passes allowed per Defensive Action) for us is 11,74 and for Newcastle is 17,73.

 

[ClintEastwould]

I think the full quote was

"The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."

Depending on how you look at it, some will place more emphasis on "The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish" and others will place more emphasis on "about going out and beating the lot"

Ideally we want the whole sentence but we had 5 years of Poch "The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish" and now we are at the "about going out and beating the lot"

Not disagreeing with you but this is how Americans view the constitution lol

 

[Japhet]

Decent result that , away from home . They have a midfield stronger than us and a real handful in Saint Maxim . Always felt we would go on and win the game . Some decent football till we get in the last third after breaking to get there and also hesitated in shooting opportunities. Decent.

That's very true. They also had a badly weakened back line and I think it showed. You can only play what's in front of you though and I generally thought it was a huge improvement on much of what we've seen recently. Hopefully we can push on and make it into the Europa League.

 

[glacierSpurs]

We really can talk about performance later - let's rake up the victories and points first to build the club's confidence.

 

[Ionman34]

I never knew Spurs fans were really as precious about style over results as the stories suggested.

The silly thing is that there seems to be this belief that we will be doomed to dour, unattractive Football forever and that the fabled "Spurs way" will disappear into the mists of fable because we have a manager building a side whose initial priority is to stop opponents from scoring goals.

The reality of the situation is that we have a manager whose entire MO is about winning. To ensure he has the best possible chance of doing that with us, he's identified the first item to be rectified, our propensity to leak goals. Stop your opponent from scoring, you increase your chances of winning because you're not reliant on your strikeforce having to score multiple goals each game.

The two prime examples of this, at the moment, are Liverpool and City. City have scored more goals this season than anyone, including Liverpool, yet have lost an unprecedented 9 games and are miles off pool points wise. This is because they neglected to replace Kompany, lost Laporte for a huge chunk of the season, and leaked goals resulting in losses when their strikeforce were unable to outscored opponents.
Conversely, Liverpool have had a number of games this season where they've won by the odd goal due to them preventing other teams from sco5in tight games. Admittedly they already had their attacking play in place, but their ability to progress to winning the league etc happened because they made themselves extremely difficult to score against.

We are currently a different prospect, as we need work on all areas, but to think that what we are currently seeing is the endgame is preposterous.

Greater flair will come with time on the training pitch and the right recruitment.

But the biggest plus that JM will bring, which everyone seems to miss, is the improved mindset of the players. Many have highlighted how he lasts 3 seasons then leaves, sometimes in acrimonious circumstances, but what isn't highlighted is that he always leaves each team in a better place than he found it, with a winning mentality instilled.

 

[Ionman34]

Most of them shots were speculative - we had a higher xg than them as well.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, xg is the best metric for measuring performance, or the quality of the attacking performance.

Creating quality chances has a far higher chance of producing wins than just shooting at every opportunity. Xg shows this.

 

[degoose]

Does anyone else think Sanchez is looking far better and is also being more adventurous and accurate with his passing. Last night he was making quite a few forward passes but not 5 yard ones, Proper long on the floor passes. He is also not looking as panicky as he has done a lot in the past. Not sure if perhaps they have been working on those certain aspects in training or something has just clicked, he's never been a terrible defender but he has always been limited with his what he does with the ball.

I thought he was great in this game and since he came back in with toby next to him.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

For the people that are complaining about our style of play, would you please tell me when was the last time we consistently played scintillating football under Poch?

 

[DJS]

Whilst I agree with a lot of the sentiment that we were OK and effective this evening, I do have a growing concern, which is that the whole team is shot-shy. Every game since the restart, I find myself saying "shoot, FFS, shoot!" 10, even 20 times a match.

They're all as bad as each other: Son is probably most at fault, but also Lamela, Lucas, even Kane. Someone will attack the box, either with support or not, there will be 2-3 split-second opportunities to let fly, but instead the player will over-elaborate, get marked, look for a pass, stall the momentum or simply lose the ball.

You can't score if you don't shoot. The statistics back me up: we're taking 9-10 shots a game. In recent seasons, it would often be >20, routinely >15. You can see the players hesitating.

Hopefully it‘s just a confidence thing as we have been through quite a dodgy patch, plus Kane and Son quite rusty after their lay offs.

With the confidence we’re more solid and hopefully continuation of good results the form and confidence will come back fully.

 

[Bobbins]

I do.

So did Danny Blanchflower. So did Bill Nicholson. So did Keith Burkinshaw........

"The game is about glory......."

They cared about winning things in the right way.

We've won fuck all in 12 years and almost nothing for over a generation. Bringing up past glories from our most successful luminaries doesn't help your argument, because they actually won things. That was why they talked about how to win things - not how to simply play.

This argument that Spurs have to play good football and the idea that tradition comes from our past is nonsense and always has been. People always interpret it and the statements made incorrectly. Our previous managers and players were obsessed with winning. The point was they also wanted to be the very best at doing so. Winning by playing the best football. But winning first, more than anything else.

It's a myth that we're supposed to play good football to the exclusion of all else. That's the West Ham delusion, which their supporters have always clung on to because they have never been a successful football club. We're supposed to win things. And we're supposed to win them by being the best and playing the best football.

Danny, Bill and Keith would all be much more concerned with making sure Tottenham Hotspur won trophies again more than anything else. They would be practical and determined and would put all their focus on making Spurs the best club in the land. They would absolutely not be more bothered about style over results.

 

[buckley]

Well said Bobbins clear precise and most importantly correct.

 

[spurslenny]

For me, Mourinho hasn't got the midfield 2/3 that he wants to effectively play his system of being strong defensively, but able to attack efficiently.

At Chelsea he had Lampard, Ballack, Makelele, Essien, Mikel etc.
At Madrid he had Alonso, Khedira, and Lassana Diara,
At Inter he had Cambiasso, Sneijder, and Stankovic.

We have Winks, Sissoko, and one of LoCelso (who I rate, but don't think we're seeing the best of him) and Ndombele (make you're own minds up).

Neither Winks or Sissoko are technically quick enough in the transition, and 99 times out of 100 will always slow the play down and not get the ball forward to our attacking players quick enough.
That said, clearly there's a noticeable lack of confidence (either individually, or in the system and the players playing in it).

I think we'll see big improvements next season with a few additions, and a pre season under our belts.

 

[spud]

Finally, if we start winning cups, not one of you will give a short sharp shit about what the game is about, it'll all be conveniently forgotten.

Some will undoubtedly think that way. Not everybody though. I'll be happy when we win trophies, but if we do so by 'waiting for the other team to die of boredom' then it will be a pyrrhic victory.

They cared about winning things in the right way.

As do I.

This argument that Spurs have to play good football and the idea that tradition comes from our past is nonsense and always has been.

No it isn't.

It's a myth that we're supposed to play good football to the exclusion of all else. That's the West Ham delusion, which their supporters have always clung on to because they have never been a successful football club. We're supposed to win things. And we're supposed to win them by being the best and playing the best football.

Agreed.

Danny, Bill and Keith would all be much more concerned with making sure Tottenham Hotspur won trophies again more than anything else. They would be practical and determined and would put all their focus on making Spurs the best club in the land. They would absolutely not be more bothered about style over results.

You don't know that any more than I do. My belief is that they would consider both to be equally as important. As I do.

 

[spursfan77]

For me, Mourinho hasn't got the midfield 2/3 that he wants to effectively play his system of being strong defensively, but able to attack efficiently.

At Chelsea he had Lampard, Ballack, Makelele, Essien, Mikel etc.
At Madrid he had Alonso, Khedira, and Lassana Diara,
At Inter he had Cambiasso, Sneijder, and Stankovic.

We have Winks, Sissoko, and one of LoCelso (who I rate, but don't think we're seeing the best of him) and Ndombele (make you're own minds up).

Neither Winks or Sissoko are technically quick enough in the transition, and 99 times out of 100 will always slow the play down and not get the ball forward to our attacking players quick enough.
That said, clearly there's a noticeable lack of confidence (either individually, or in the system and the players playing in it).

I think we'll see big improvements next season with a few additions, and a pre season under our belts.

It can’t be more obvious when you lie it out like that in regards to the midfield.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

He had good moments against West Ham but that has been it. I don't understand why he gets a pass from fans. I really think he's half the player he used to be before injuries. We need to start benching him.

Good post

 

[Laboog]

Good post

haha I still stand by it until he starts consistently playing to his standards. The Newcastle game he was pretty poor in the first half but then turned it on in the last 30 minutes.

Anyone who says otherwise is blinded by Kane love. He has been just as poor as the rest of the squad in terms of shooting since the restart.

 

[Shadydan]

haha I still stand by it until he starts consistently playing to his standards. The Newcastle game he was pretty poor in the first half but then turned it on in the last 30 minutes.

Anyone who says otherwise is blinded by Kane love. He has been just as poor as the rest of the squad in terms of shooting since the restart.

You think he should be benched just because he's not been upto his usual high standards, don't stand by it because it's a nonsense opinion.

 

[Laboog]

You think he should be benched just because he's not been upto his usual high standards, don't stand by it because it's a nonsense opinion.

The benching part is more so about his fatigue. He has played nearly every minute since the restart. Have we not learned over the past few seasons that Kane will tire down then get hurt? Then we rush him back to 90 minutes as soon as he is healthy and we repeat.

Why not bench him when he is playing bad and we want to try mixing up the attack? Fans scream for Son/Lucas/Winks/Sissoko to be benched all the time. Why is Kane immune?