Jose Mourinho

[Archibald&Crooks]

Why?

Seriously?

sigh. Whatever.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Kaz Hirai are you saying that you cannot learn anything from history and you are not willing to learn from things of the past ?
All I can say is that view is very short sighted and judging people in a knee jerk kind of way or disposing of everything that does not work straight away is crass and in my view stupid . There is a lot to learn from the past however old fashion it may seem and judging people before they have been given a fair chance is one thing that should be taken into account .
Anybody looking for instant success really needs to be supporting clubs that can almost guarantee that outcome namely the oil rich clubs with vast sums of money that enables them first pick of the worlds best clubs like Chelsea ( Abramovich ) the Arab oil rich who own Man City
Juventus PSG and now Everton and possibly Newcastle they can give you instant success with their wealth which gives them the ability to pay massive transfers and massive wages . Anybody supporting spurs who wants success instantly is in for a rude awakening .
Clubs like ours will have to learn to be patient unless of course someone like Amazon takes us over then we can join the instant success club

No I was asking if there's simply a more modern example than that extremely worn out one of something that occurred in the 1980s

But that mere question seems to have made several extremely salty and worked up for some reason.
God help some of you lot if we don't beat west ham, thought the lockdown would chill u all out but people are more vexed than ever lol

 

[Shadydan]

No I was asking if there's simply a more modern example than that extremely worn out one of something that occurred in the 1980s

But that mere question seems to have made several extremely salty and worked up for some reason.
God help some of you lot if we don't beat west ham, thought the lockdown would chill u all out but people are more vexed than ever lol

Reckon you should make a bet that Jose won't succeed here, if you lose you have to eat your pants (again)

 

[buckley]

History has a habit of repeating itself Two world wars / the middle east / eastern europe / Asia all have or are will be suffering from historical problems repeating themselves to think that football is immune from history repeating itself is pretty short sighted .
As for more current cases of bad starts coming good well for me Hodson at Palace if the fans had their way he would be gone the same Bruce at Newcastle sometimes patience and giving people time to breath is the way foreward

 

[slartibartfast]

This!

Any successful team starts with a solid defensive unit and builds from there. It is evident that this is where Mourinho has started his process, make us hard to beat first, drill the team into working together as a cohesive defensive unit, then build on from there.

The lack of understanding on here of this basic tenet is incredible. You can't fix everything all at once, you just end up with a hot mess, which was what he inherited in the first place.

It's a process that will take time, and it's evident that few on here aren't prepared to give him that because of who he is.

Mourinho started his process by building a solid defence first?
We had one more clean sheet than norwich ffs.

 

[slartibartfast]

Reckon you should make a bet that Jose won't succeed here, if you lose you have to eat your pants (again)

If he loses that bet I'll eat his pants.

 

[buckley]

A lot of spurs fans want success now anybody not giving that can go in their view .
On this basis you will never have a manager for longer than a few months .
A bit of patience and trying to see what the manager is at least trying to do would not go amiss.

 

[Ionman34]

Mourinho started his process by building a solid defence first?
We had one more clean sheet than norwich ffs.

Try my later posts, they explain better, though it is something that really shouldn't need explaining.

He's starting the process now as it's the only real time he's had to spend working with the squad, prior to Covid he had games coming too often for him to work on any kind of coherent process. Not to mention missing key players for long periods.

Try analysing what's happened previously objectively, rather than through an " I hate Mourinho" lens.

 

[Ionman34]

History has a habit of repeating itself Two world wars / the middle east / eastern europe / Asia all have or are will be suffering from historical problems repeating themselves to think that football is immune from history repeating itself is pretty short sighted .
As for more current cases of bad starts coming good well for me Hodson at Palace if the fans had their way he would be gone the same Bruce at Newcastle sometimes patience and giving people time to breath is the way foreward

Good points. I was thinking this when I watched Paalace yesterday, they're looking pretty good atm.

 

[jolsnogross]

Liverpool have taken 5 years under Klopp to be contenders/winners.
Pep inherited a squad that was already winning titles and had a ropey 1st season, even with the massive financial backing.

Why?

Because it takes time to implement your philosophy, get the players playing the way you want, bring in the players to plug the gaps you see that stop you from getting to the top.

And yet many of you expect Mourinho to do this in half a season when he inherited a squad low on energy and confidence, that has had the majority of its key players sidelined for months with injury!

Strawman34 is back. The argument was that shitty pragmatic footy leads to success. I disagree, arguing that winning sides prove it. You provide a word salad about Klopp and Pep needing time to get it right.

Fair enough if you think Mourinho needs to time to play like Klopp and Pep. I'm suggesting that's not the plan and we're playing the way he wants us to play. We may get much better at it, but it is how he prefers to play. Deep and on the break. That might become entertaining - it was against Burnley at home - but I don't think it will. Footy has moved on.

On to West Ham. Hopefully he'll play Lo Celso and we get a win on the board.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

It’s clear he is drilling the defensive aspect into them first making sure they all know their roles etc..... we were a lot more organised against united before lockdown we were so leaky ! One problem is we have a few liabilities in defence and no dm once that’s sorted we’ll be extremely hard to beat and that’s when the attacking comes into play! I was very frustrated watching us sit so deep second half think we all have to view this 9 now 8 games as a pre season lads don’t get to caught up in a champions league spot we are probably better out of it! A year in Europa would actually do more good than people realise! Group stages if not loaned out some youth can get regular games and squad players!

 

[KikoSpurs]

Hit on the break or dominate possession to just arrive in the final third and cross the ball to whoever can head it into the goal ? Which one is more interesting ?

 

[JCRD]

Kaz Hirai are you saying that you cannot learn anything from history and you are not willing to learn from things of the past ?
All I can say is that view is very short sighted and judging people in a knee jerk kind of way or disposing of everything that does not work straight away is crass and in my view stupid . There is a lot to learn from the past however old fashion it may seem and judging people before they have been given a fair chance is one thing that should be taken into account .
Anybody looking for instant success really needs to be supporting clubs that can almost guarantee that outcome namely the oil rich clubs with vast sums of money that enables them first pick of the worlds best clubs like Chelsea ( Abramovich ) the Arab oil rich who own Man City
Juventus PSG and now Everton and possibly Newcastle they can give you instant success with their wealth which gives them the ability to pay massive transfers and massive wages . Anybody supporting spurs who wants success instantly is in for a rude awakening .
Clubs like ours will have to learn to be patient unless of course someone like Amazon takes us over then we can join the instant success club

I dont think anyone is asking for instant success - but that football in the second half was turgid... and it isnt even that effective overall... I just dont understand how anyone think Kane defending his 18 yrd box is effective or best use of the resources available.

We pay him 15m a year and I suspect Levy has done that so Jose can increase the the teams performances greater than the sum of its parts... hell... even equal

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

One thing i would say about Jose is that he certainly is improving the players defensively, The back 4 and hugo looked much more solid vs utd than we have all season, we also looked like we had a plan to defend set pieces. Sissoko and winks were better in the defensive side of their game, the wingers held their shape and tracked back so regardless of if joseball is boring and may or may not be successful i have to say the myth that jose needs a chequebook to succeed it is a little harsh as i think he actually does really coach and improve the players certainly defensively if nothing else.

 

[DenverSpur]

Interestingly Ancellotti setup his Everton team at home to Liverpool with the same tactical plan as JM did with us versus MU. It seems two managers who have both won the Champions League and various League titles with different teams in different countries know how weigh up the pros and cons of both their team and the opposition and come to a conclusion of how to set their team up that differs from many on here! I know who I’d have more confidence in


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[spursfan77]

We've seen exactly that under Poch, great one half, poor the next. We've even seen them out there in the 1st half looking like strangers then looking like World beaters in the 2nd half.

Were these instructions too?

I don't know where the issues lie, neither do you. The difference is I'm not jumping to conclusions.

All I do know is that I'm seeing small but noticeable fruits of the limited time he's had with the squad, where it appears he has them beginning to work cohesively as a defensive unit. I don't expect us to completely shut out an opposition so they create zero chances, so Lloris making saves I expect. He's also part of the defensive unit, so they pretty much got the job done. Having a penalty, that I vehemently maintain wasn't, awarded against us spoiled the hard work that was put in, but that wasn't even a chance created. The 2 main chances they created both came in the 1st half so, despite us dropping off, they really created nothing of note in the 2nd half.

Tuesday will tell us more about whether the cohesion is setting in, as 1 game isn't anywhere near a true barometer, but I'm hopeful.

At the end of the day I desperately want him to succeed, because his success is our success, but I don't expect it overnight, unlike some. Nor do I expect our Football to be particularly pretty whilst he goes about building the team effectively from the ground up. But once he's got that solidity in place, I do expect to see us get better going forward, as he'll have built the foundation for it.

I agree. Also we have to remember that this squad have played one way for 5 years (The last 18 months of which we haven’t looked strong defensively and have made tonnes of individual mistakes) and Mourinho is a new manager with different ideas. He has to get it through to the players what he requires. Personally I think he needs quite a few fresh new players who have played his way before to speed it up. But we have good enough players to learn quickly.

He needs a defensive midfielder (and another striker). I think it is so obvious how much better we’d be with both. Carrick, Palacios, Parker, Sandro, Wanyama. Our best teams of recent times have had one, now we have no one. Pretty obvious isn’t it?

The London derbies will be huge for him, if he wins those then (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) it will earn him some breathing space. He can’t sit deep in those games and I don’t think we will, he knows they can be got at.

 

[spursfan77]

Interestingly Ancellotti setup his Everton team at home to Liverpool with the same tactical plan as JM did with us versus MU. It seems two managers who have both won the Champions League and various League titles with different teams in different countries know how weigh up the pros and cons of both their team and the opposition and come to a conclusion of how to set their team up that differs from many on here! I know who I’d have more confidence in


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Everton play just as boring football as we do and punt it long with just as much regularity. I wonder if their fans are complaining as much?

Interestingly they have similar problems to us defensively.

 

[Shadydan]

Everton play just as boring football as we do and punt it long with just as much regularity. I wonder if their fans are complaining as much?

Interestingly they have similar problems to us defensively.

Not true

 

[spursfan77]

Not true

You obviously haven’t watched them then. They play hopeful long balls down the channels from fullback or centreback to Richarlson to chase and Calvert lewin to win in the air. That’s their main route of attack.

 

[Shadydan]

You obviously haven’t watched them then. They play hopeful long balls down the channels from fullback or centreback to Richarlson to chase and Calvert lewin to win in the air. That’s their main route of attack.

I have watched them, go and watch the Arsenal match when they lost 3-2 or the Palace and Watford matches, they were playing through the lines and played more short passes on average. Calling them a long ball team is just lazy.

You even had people on here remarking how they play better football than us before the break.