Jose Mourinho

[Ray_Evans]

As I asked, rhetorically, in the match thread..where is the team which scored 6 at United & 5 at Southampton? Where is the relaxed, smiling, 'renewed' Jose from that time?

What has gone so horribly wrong for Spurs?

 

[stormfly]

A question to those who think Mourinho should stay. Do any of you think Mourinho after all this time, knows what his best XI is?

Almost.

 

[Spurzinho]

He also looked like he had a plan from match 1 and took them to multiple finals and won the league and CL, teams who win the league naturally often fall away the following season due to burnout, silly comparison to Jose’s time and situation at Spurs. Jose got 7 new signings in summer and we sit 9th with no clear plan or signs of improvement .

I think there's more to Liverpool's drop off than that. Klopp was warned by certain coaches who's name escapes me that his style of football is unsustainable because its so high intensity. Players will eventually break down. You can't keep playing the way they did forever. Its physically and mentally intense. Poch, I think had similar issues. His plans fell in the toilet when he burned his squad out and whereas other clubs could tweak their way through transfer windows we had to replace half a squad because it was falling to bits. Plus Poch and Klopp put such an emphasis on aggression that player's burn out mentally.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Isn't it high level guess work that it would be better with another line up?
Its so easy to say afterwards when you know the result but this time it just does not tell the story.
It is probably a lot down to Jose in terms of self confidence of the players but I could understand every single move today:

1. Dier and Sanchez: Pace against West Hams counter attack. I am no fan of either don't try to tell me Toby and Rodon would definitley better choices. There is not one CB right now that is a must start.

2. Tanganga as RB was totally fair and even demanded here because he did well vs City. And with staying more defensive we could give more freedom to Reggie

3. Reguilon coming back from injury and probably does not have energy for 90 minutes running up and down yet. To provide an offensive outlet by the FBs, the only alternative option was Doherty. I am no fan, tactical wise it made sense though.

4. Don't argue Bale is suddenly the solution of everything after having a great game vs WAC just three days ago. we all know he has his fitness issue and I think it was smart just to play him the 2nd half, were the game is about to be decided. Would we have been better without him the last 20/30 minutes when we would have needed to take him off? Doubt it.

We had enough moments today to turn this game to our favour. We lacked confidence in converting chances but I can blame Jose here only in the long run as I said as he may has influenced the confidence of the team with his stuff the last weeks.

But tactic wise I was fine with what I saw today, our defence is still a mess but who on earth could that turn around now?

Winner for this.
Thought the team was good enough to win the match. Fact is we dominated and made numerous chances. you can’t legislate for the stupid errors we made at the back. Prem level defenders should be dealing with those situations.

 

[dontcallme]

Who would be your preferred choice...football they say is a funny ol game

Klopp is having a poor moment with Liverpool should he be sacked.

Leicester sacked Ranieri after winning the league.

Liverpool will need to ask if their bad form is down to injuries or if Klopp has burnt out. Given the injuries I believe he will get more time. But if results continue to be poor and he looks like he isn't going to turn it around then he'll lose his job.

Ranieri appeared to lose the dressing room pretty quickly after the title win.

 

[stormfly]

As I asked, rhetorically, in the match thread..where is the team which scored 6 at United & 5 at Southampton? Where is the relaxed, smiling, 'renewed' Jose from that time?

What has gone so horribly wrong for Spurs?

We started losing.

 

[phillipjpalmer]

He also looked like he had a plan from match 1 and took them to multiple finals and won the league and CL, teams who win the league naturally often fall away the following season due to burnout, silly comparison to Jose’s time and situation at Spurs. Jose got 7 new signings in summer and we sit 9th with no clear plan or signs of improvement .

Spot on. Klopp will have statues built in time based on his success, at this rate Jose will do well to be the newspaper wrapped around market chips

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think there's more to Liverpool's drop off than that. Klopp was warned by certain coaches who's name escapes me that his style of football is unsustainable because its so high intensity. Players will eventually break down. You can't keep playing the way they did forever. Its physically and mentally intense. Poch, I think had similar issues. His plans fell in the toilet when he burned his squad out and whereas other clubs could tweak their way through transfer windows we had to replace half a squad because it was falling to bits. Plus Poch and Klopp put such an emphasis on aggression that player's burn out mentally.

Quite possibly but they’ve also lost their best 2 CB’s for most the season which would hurt anyteam... apart from us really as it doesn’t seem to matter which CB’s we play they’re all equally as error prone as each other ?

 

[razzmaster]

Ranieri won the league with a back five of Kasper Schmeichel, Danny Simpson, Wes Morgan, Robert Huth and Christian Fuchs. Apparently Jose can't do anything with Hugo Lloris, Serge Aurier, Toby Alderweireld, Eric Dier and Regiullon. Which back five would you rather have? Don't forget that that back five was protected by Kante and Drinkwater. The only one you could argue would get into our team would be Kante and in PEH and Ndombele we're not really that bad off there.

When Jose took over, the 1 positive for me was I thought he might at least organise our defence and we could rely on the individual brilliance of Kane, Son, Lo Celso and Ndombele to win games 1-0.

After 15 months nothing much has changed, if anything it is worse.

There is no way we dont have 4 defenders in our squad who are capable of forming a solid defensive unit.

 

[1882andallthat]

I just don’t see how he survives this

He will be given a temporary stay of execution by Levy because he's still got two valid tickets left in a very difficult raffle.
The CC Final ; and
The Europa League.

If they deliver nothing and we fail to improve our league position significantly he's gone.

These are often the situations he thrives in, he will clearly prioritise the EL as he's pragmatic but it's a big gamble and there's no room for error, which is made even more difficult by having a CB pairing that's an accident waiting to happen when combined with a near zero level of communication and effectiveness with the keeper. All three seem to panic or fail to properly deal with balls that come into our box, usually 2 out of 3 at the same time, occasionally all 3 at the same time and even more frequently one of them panics and has a crucial mistake that comes out at the drop of a hat.

 

[spursfan77]

The thing is as much as the form is terrible, I don’t actually feel like he will be sacked right now. When the manager is in his death throws you can usually tell. The players still seem to be playing for him, for example. But I don’t feel like we are there yet. 2 more defeats in the league will probably get them to down tools and that will be it I suspect.

 

[idontgetit]

Sure

Anyone
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Anyone Anyone
Anyone Anyone Son
Kane

The back line seems to be selected like someone's trying to guess a bike lock combo.

 

[Spurzinho]

When Jose took over, the 1 positive for me was I thought he might at least organise our defence and we could rely on the individual brilliance of Kane, Son, Lo Celso and Ndombele to win games 1-0.

After 15 months nothing much has changed, if anything it is worse.

There is no way we dont have 4 defenders in our squad who are capable of forming a solid defensive unit.

If people want to believe that our defenders are crap, fine. I don't buy it.

Lloris
Aurier Alderweireld Dier Reguillon

with PEH and Ndombele in front

That's a team right there.

I agree that further forward things start to get a bit iffy with a couple of injuries but the back seven shouldn't be our problem.

 

[Blueluigi6]

What has gone so horribly wrong for Spurs?

Defenders making championship level errors regardless of formation or tactic will do that.

 

[dontcallme]

When Jose took over, the 1 positive for me was I thought he might at least organise our defence and we could rely on the individual brilliance of Kane, Son, Lo Celso and Ndombele to win games 1-0.

After 15 months nothing much has changed, if anything it is worse.

There is no way we dont have 4 defenders in our squad who are capable of forming a solid defensive unit.

I remember being a bit annoyed at Everton buying Docoure. He just seemed such an obvious signing once Watford got relegated. Him partnering PEH would surely protect a weak backline well enough for us to compete.

But like you say there is nothing at the moment that suggest Jose is organising what he has.

 

[idontgetit]

Almost.

What is it then?

 

[ParklaneDazza]

We are all aware that things need to change, this being both players and staff. In my humble opinion I have nothing aginst Jose and certainly have no agenda, however if he has to has to go and I think its inevitable he does, and if (and it is a big if) we can get our preferred choice now, we have to pull the trigger and give the incoming manager the rest of the season to work with the players giving him an idea of who he can trust and who also needs to leave ready for a potential major overhaul in the summer.

For what its worth my choice would be a potential Rangnick now, to be teamed up with Nagelsmann (Rangnick going upstairs) in the summer therefore starting another project completely changing the mindset from top to bottom.
As good a manager as Rodgers is I hope we do not go for him as I couldn't take the smug smile on his face as he laughs and turns us down.

 

[stormfly]

I still feel Jose is going to turn this around. The players still seem to be playing for him it doesn’t feel like the AVB, Poch time when it looked like the players had given up. We just need that win.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

Next 3 league games will decide his fate .... Burnley at home .... Fulham away .... palace at home ! Needs 9 points! If we lose 2 of these he has to go

 

[StooM]

I have a genuine question and am looking at it from a different perspective.

At the start of the season, JM appointed LK as the defensive coach.
Goals that have ve leaked has been through defensive errors and frailties.

Surely Ledders have to assume at least part of the responsibility too.

Is he the right person to "coach" our defense and defenders.

No neg rep pls...let's look at it from this perspective too.

Honestly i think this is part of the problem - not that we're the only team dealing with it obviously - it has been said many times that with the current schedule, training has been game build up, recovery rinse repeat. Not much in the way of time to train tactically etc.

Now I don't know how true that is, but it makes some kind of sense.

The other thing (not sure if there's any correlation or not) is that we started the season early to do the EL qualification stages meaning we missed a full preseason and the cumulative effect of the extra games.

All in all, a weird season all round. West ham above us proves that, if nothing else.