Jose Mourinho

[spurs mental]

Facts from the mouth of Jose isn't needed - the proof is for your eyes. Do you need Pep or Klopp to tell you how their teams line up and play? No you don't, you can visually see it. Can you tell the difference when a team is playing with either a defensive system or an attacking one by how and where they are positioned on the pitch? Of course, you can - you don't need Jose to tell you how we are playing or how we play, the facts are there for all to see.

Imagine comparing this ragtag bunch of players to the ones at Klopps and Peps disposal. LOL

 

[Colston]

You know for a fact that's what he's telling them?

Who cares what Mourinho is actually telling them? We have barely played football this trash in 10 years regardless and I hold Mourinho solely responsible for that.

 

[Thewobbler]

As I’ve said before even if Kane wants to leave I believe he’s fucked himself with that giant contract. The poor bastard is stuck with us even if he doesn’t want to be.

He will be here unless some club pays the 150m or he runs down his deal. Not sure he would fancy going to PSG.

 

[Gingernut]

Who cares what Mourinho is actually telling them? We have barely played football this trash in 10 years regardless and I hold Mourinho solely responsible for that.

Thats up to you. His style of football is not good i agree. But he can't be blamed completely for players not paying attention to some instructions.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

He will be here unless some club pays the 150m or he runs down his deal. Not sure he would fancy going to PSG.

Getting paid double what he gets paid here to play regular champions league football and have a shot at actually winning something? ...

 

[mezza84]

You'd be right, if it wasn't for the fact that we've been completely limp (outside of a small period) for nearly three years.

I think Poch inadvertently contributed to an issue that had already taken hold and for which the players themselves aren't actually responsible for bringing about, but which they do have the power to alter and mitigate.

I said it in the lack desire thread - all the blows to the confidence that they've taken has led them to have a brittle, fragile mentality. You then mix that with the general modern footballer's entitled attitude and that leads to a bunch of players who are not willing to put themselves on the line. There are exceptions - Kane being the most cogent example, but it's still widespread.

Look at the players that still show commitment, or at least some commitment on the pitch: PEH, Stevie B, Reggie. With the exception of Kane and maybe Sonny, all the others are heavily inclined to phone it in when their heads drop and they all belong to the pre-Mourinho cohort. The only ones who are pre-Mourinho but who don't have that propensity are Ndombele and Lo Celso. The players who came to the club after the CL loss and all the other semi-final and final losses that had gone before.

We have had a soft underbelly as a club for longer than that, but as we began turning it around, we then suffered body blow after body blow and it came back with a vengeance.

But there comes a time when you have to be professional. They are being paid lavish amounts to do not do very much work compared to some other professions. What's the old expression? 'A man who does what he loves for a living, never works a day in his life.' They are doing what they love for a living. They should, at the very least, understand that there are people who invest a lot of emotion in what they do and that, purely on a human level, not being entirely happy about the way you're being asked to do your job isn't enough of a reason to shirk the duties you're being paid to perform.

I don't believe that Mourinho can turn this around, but not because I think he is fundamentally incapable. I believe it's because these players don't want to change themselves, hence all the hoo-ha about the style of play.

I tell you what - you pay me £50, 100, or 200k a week and I'll do whatever job you want me to do exactly as you want me to. But that's not enough for some of our delicate little flowers apparently.

Absolutely this. Those 7 players that you mention are the only ones trying / buying in to it.

When we all thought Kane was as good as he could be, Jose got more. When we all thought N'Dombele was a fat, lazy shit - who helped turn him into a one man highlight reel?

This is about attitude and mentality.

Anyone not looking at themselves and how they can contribute better to this team can fuck off.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

They didn't let Poch down, as in reality they were and are not good enough.

You can take a piece of shit and roll it in sugar, that doesn't make it a donut. Which is exactly what most people on here seem to think.

They forget that the usual suspects have been shit for 3 years already and the reinforcements we brought in were for cover and not for upgrades.

Some seem to think this team is top 4 worthy, and it simply isn't. The squad as a whole is probably good enough for top 6/8 at the moment. We have well and beyond exceeded our time at the top without upgrading. Teams around us have slumped, reinforced, rebuilt and moved on while we are sitting with a bloated, shit squad (Similar to Arsenal and their senior players) and no manager will be able to change that. And if they can, then I will gladly take back my words.

Every decision Levy makes is based on money and whilst it works wonders in certain situations, it is utter shit in others. He was too cheap to rebuild the squad properly, so he handed a bunch of mediocre players to the world's best and even he can't get a tune out of them 12 months later. Their value has dropped significantly so even with new manager we will struggle to sell. No one is banging down our doors for them either.

Poch and Mourinho have both failed with completely different philosophies but the same set of players. Eventually we are going to have to smell the coffee and realize just how average a big chunk of our squad is.

 

[spurs mental]

Thats up to you. His style of football is not good i agree. But he can't be blamed completely for players not paying attention to some instructions.

There's no point anymore.

The football purists on here find him solely to blame and won't change their opinion.

We could bring Pep in and we still couldn't play good football because of the players at his disposal. I'd love to see what they'd say then.

 

[Gingernut]

There's no point anymore.

The football purists on here find him solely to blame and won't change their opinion.

We could bring Pep in and we still couldn't play good football because of the players at his disposal. I'd love to see what they'd say then.

Yup. Im about to check out of this thread again for a while.

 

[Thewobbler]

Getting paid double what he gets paid here to play regular champions league football and have a shot at actually winning something? ...

I believe Kane wants to break shearers record, I can't see him leaving the premier league but you never know i suppose.

 

[mrlilywhite]

But they are ignoring advise from the touchline during games? See trix posts?

Yeah, unfortunately, I don't subscribe to hearsay - and even if that were true, then Levy would have to be asking Jose some serious questions. I'm of the opinion, that you don't train players one way, for them to play another. Jose is a defensive coach - he shores up teams to win, no matter the cost to style, club brand of football, etc, etc. If & it's a big if, in my opinion, Jose's team is ignoring his instructions and preferred style of play, then there is no way his position is tenable.

 

[nico97531]

There's no point anymore.

The football purists on here find him solely to blame and won't change their opinion.

We could bring Pep in and we still couldn't play good football because of the players at his disposal. I'd love to see what they'd say then.

Sack the manager as pep is a dinosaur and hire a young manager who “understands” the game! Obvious, an’it.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

There's no point anymore.

The football purists on here find him solely to blame and won't change their opinion.

We could bring Pep in and we still couldn't play good football because of the players at his disposal. I'd love to see what they'd say then.

It's going to be funny when we bring in a more attacking minded manager and end up passing backwards or sideways 652 times for 85 minutes and then still lose to Brighton 3-0.

But it's Mourinho and his anti-football tactics, don't ever deviate from the Sky sports narrative.

 

[E17yid]

Is it all Mourinho’s fault? No. Is it mostly his fault. Probably.

He picks the teams, sets us up and, most importantly, belief, mindset, encouragement, confidence etc etc is meant to come from him. Sadly, a lot of the players probably pick up vibes from him that are like a lot of his supporters on here project I.e the players are shit and there’s nothing we can do.

He should go now and not a day later. I was joking before but I’d honestly get Harry in now. At least it would be funny.

 

[shoggy33]

When Jose inevitably goes the first job for the next manager is to gut this squad. As someone said last night, our leaders are Dier and Sissoko and that is terrifying.

 

[Kiedis]

We look the same collectively as we did 12 months ago. The same structural issues, the same incapabilities of progressing the ball unless Ndombele takes it upon himself to do it. The same incapability to remain compact defensively unless we're in a deep block, the same hopeless spacing and positioning when we ourselves have the ball. Other coaches all around this league are getting their teams collective play to a way higher level than us.

Do we think 12 more months of Mourinho will lead somewhere else? It's a road to nowhere, and every day more with this coach is a day wasted and a perfect example of sunk cost.

Doesn't mean someone will come in and have Lamela, Lucas and Sissoko play CL teams off the park, but getting the collective stuff right would give players a better chance of succeeding.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We're back to the mentality thing, but that's on him now as well is it?

Fuck it. Some of you just don't like the guy, but to think you'll defend players that were the butt of all Pochs problems to shell the current manager speaks volumes for the shit mindset that is ingrained in this clubs support in some areas.

Jokers.

 

[GutBucket]

His philosophy that teams with less possession make less mistakes is flawed, every game we park the bus and make huge mistakes, Chelsea was supposed to make 10 mistakes in that case. Analysts will study our low xg for years to come and teach it as example how to not set-up and play. If it's his way of sending a message that he can't play higher line without 2 world class CBs then he still has to go. Nobody is winning a league with this team but this is far from team's potential, if he can't reach it then we need to find someone who can.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

The last few games feel like the opposition has one more player than us.
Really very difficult to watch.

 

[Trees]

1 question that no one seems to have asked. Can we financially afford to sack him ?