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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

soflapaul

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Aug 18, 2018
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As a coach myself I've seen all kinds of coaches leading their team and as someone who is quite reserved and not the best public speaker I feel that I get my player's respect by feeding them little bits of positivity and keeping team talks simple yet focused, one of the other coaches or captain will then give the more galvanizing talk.

The point is Ledley probably has loads of qualities that could make him a good head coach. I know he doesn't come across as the best speaker and a little under condident but his other qualities could outweigh that.

great point. Volume control in a coach is useful but it is only one bow in the quiver that is often counterproductive when used at high levels more than low levels. Respect is far more important and when a coach has that, everything else becomes secondary. Some of the most effective coaches i have played for or coached with didn't have to yell or scream at half time of a particularly poor performance. Quiet seething or even disappointed expectations can work magic especially when it is a rarely used tool.
 

soflapaul

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Aug 18, 2018
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I think it's revealing and fascinating that King has been appointed to this role after Mourinho experienced him working with the defence. I also think it's revealing and fascinating for us to find out that King has been working with the defence, after watching the improved defensive performances of the past few weeks.

I agree with the majority here that he has entirely the wrong personality to be a manager. That role necessarily involves a lot of "front of house" work with the media and good negotiation skills, including handling difficult personalities and assisting with transfers.

The post above that simplistically declared that King isn't "bright enough to be a coach" is unworthy. He's not stupid, he's inarticulate. He has intelligence and skills that are not useful for expressing himself in public.

Young Ledley had pace, but his game was never about pace. His game was heavily about intelligence: speed of thought, anticipation, dealing with defensive problems by seeing them before they happened and preventing them, visual pattern recognition skills, a swiftly accessible mental database of what specific opponents like to do and how to nullify them and, most centrally, overall speed of reaction and thought combined with calmness. None of those skills are useful for dealing with journalists at press conferences, but they are transmissible to younger players on the pitch. And they're priceless.

Imagine being Japhet Tanganga and having Ledley King available every day to explain what to watch for when faced with a fast break, how to position your body to drive an attacker onto his weak foot or away from goal, angles to adopt when defending corners, timing of headers, peripheral vision, where to leave space when caught short-handed, etc., etc.

It's no surprise at all that Mourinho rates him as a defensive coach. It's like having Rodin on hand to teach sculpture. But I doubt he'll ever be a successful manager.

If Jose is right, I reckon having King as defensive coach could make a half-a-goal-a-game difference to next season's defensive record.

Great post. The real challenge for Ledley will taking what he knows and effectively communicating that in a way that the players understand quickly and thoroughly. Like young players, time is required to know if an inexperienced coach can adapt their knowledge, mannerisms etc into something that molds men into an effective unit capable of delivering results. You would have to imagine that Jose can develop coaching talent too and that learning alongside jose would only help him become a better coach.
 

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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I think it's revealing and fascinating that King has been appointed to this role after Mourinho experienced him working with the defence. I also think it's revealing and fascinating for us to find out that King has been working with the defence, after watching the improved defensive performances of the past few weeks.

I agree with the majority here that he has entirely the wrong personality to be a manager. That role necessarily involves a lot of "front of house" work with the media and good negotiation skills, including handling difficult personalities and assisting with transfers.

The post above that simplistically declared that King isn't "bright enough to be a coach" is unworthy. He's not stupid, he's inarticulate. He has intelligence and skills that are not useful for expressing himself in public.

Young Ledley had pace, but his game was never about pace. His game was heavily about intelligence: speed of thought, anticipation, dealing with defensive problems by seeing them before they happened and preventing them, visual pattern recognition skills, a swiftly accessible mental database of what specific opponents like to do and how to nullify them and, most centrally, overall speed of reaction and thought combined with calmness. None of those skills are useful for dealing with journalists at press conferences, but they are transmissible to younger players on the pitch. And they're priceless.

Imagine being Japhet Tanganga and having Ledley King available every day to explain what to watch for when faced with a fast break, how to position your body to drive an attacker onto his weak foot or away from goal, angles to adopt when defending corners, timing of headers, peripheral vision, where to leave space when caught short-handed, etc., etc.

It's no surprise at all that Mourinho rates him as a defensive coach. It's like having Rodin on hand to teach sculpture. But I doubt he'll ever be a successful manager.

If Jose is right, I reckon having King as defensive coach could make a half-a-goal-a-game difference to next season's defensive record.

Excellent post. People often forget that intelligence comes in different forms. You don't judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree.
 

al_pacino

woo
Feb 2, 2005
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Spurs connections and has managerial experience. He is no worse than any other suggestion so far

I was replying to your original post but your edit got me. It was still saying Hughton (actually Houghton but that's auto correct by the looks of things) and Maradona came up in the quote which had me confused.
 

wrd

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Aug 22, 2014
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Yep. A balanced squad. We all want that. This current one is just all over the place.

That’s what’s so interesting about this summer window for me. We don’t need these big player signings because we already have that type of player throughout the squad. We just have to fix the glaring holes in what are arguably the less glamourised roles.

I think we would need quite a bit more to compete for the title but I think in terms of getting back to the top4 I think the transfers are well within our reach this summer.
 

ardiles

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Nov 24, 2006
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Ledley doesn’t need to be the manager. He can be a coach for the younger players, and then, with more coaching time under his belt, he could take over McDermott’s vacant position.
 

spursfan77

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Aug 13, 2005
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That’s what’s so interesting about this summer window for me. We don’t need these big player signings because we already have that type of player throughout the squad. We just have to fix the glaring holes in what are arguably the less glamourised roles.

I think we would need quite a bit more to compete for the title but I think in terms of getting back to the top4 I think the transfers are well within our reach this summer.

I think so. Mourinho has mentioned a couple of times about the reports he has written and given to Levy with regard to transfers and the current situation we are in financially. I don’t think he would mention that unless he was convinced he was making reasonable transfer demands. Whether they are though, we don’t know.
 

Matthew Wyatt

Call me Boris
Aug 3, 2007
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I think it's revealing and fascinating that King has been appointed to this role after Mourinho experienced him working with the defence. I also think it's revealing and fascinating for us to find out that King has been working with the defence, after watching the improved defensive performances of the past few weeks.

I agree with the majority here that he has entirely the wrong personality to be a manager. That role necessarily involves a lot of "front of house" work with the media and good negotiation skills, including handling difficult personalities and assisting with transfers.

The post above that simplistically declared that King isn't "bright enough to be a coach" is unworthy. He's not stupid, he's inarticulate. He has intelligence and skills that are not useful for expressing himself in public.

Young Ledley had pace, but his game was never about pace. His game was heavily about intelligence: speed of thought, anticipation, dealing with defensive problems by seeing them before they happened and preventing them, visual pattern recognition skills, a swiftly accessible mental database of what specific opponents like to do and how to nullify them and, most centrally, overall speed of reaction and thought combined with calmness. None of those skills are useful for dealing with journalists at press conferences, but they are transmissible to younger players on the pitch. And they're priceless.

Imagine being Japhet Tanganga and having Ledley King available every day to explain what to watch for when faced with a fast break, how to position your body to drive an attacker onto his weak foot or away from goal, angles to adopt when defending corners, timing of headers, peripheral vision, where to leave space when caught short-handed, etc., etc.

It's no surprise at all that Mourinho rates him as a defensive coach. It's like having Rodin on hand to teach sculpture. But I doubt he'll ever be a successful manager.

If Jose is right, I reckon having King as defensive coach could make a half-a-goal-a-game difference to next season's defensive record.
Agreed, and it's also the old cliches about leading by example and having the players' respect. David Beckham is similarly inarticulate but he's been inspirational to innumerable young players seeking to emulate his playing style, footballing intelligence and drive to win.
 

Wheeler Dealer

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Jul 29, 2011
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Ledley doesn’t need to be the manager. He can be a coach for the younger players, and then, with more coaching time under his belt, he could take over McDermott’s vacant position.
Ledley comes across as a shy, quiet and modest type of guy who doesnt strike me as someone who is craving being centre of attention. He probably could make a great coach, but i dont seeing him runnning a department in the way McDermott did.
 

Matthew Wyatt

Call me Boris
Aug 3, 2007
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Back to the José Mourinho of the thread title (though no doubt this has already been said), he "has issued a not so subtle reminder that he remains a “Special One” by emphasising that Tottenham’s Premier League record since he succeeded Mauricio Pochettino last November is the fourth-best in the top tier" * . Can't argue with the facts, and that is impressive when you consider the top two were already running away with it even back then.

* Graun today
 
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