Jose Mourinho

[buckley]

With regard to the "battle of the bridge" nobody but nobody will convince me that the second half battle would not have occurred if the ref had done his job and booked at the minimum four Chelsea players and indeed one of the fouls was in my view a red in the first half .
Because of his ineptitude the Chelsea players were allowed to stop us with yellow card tackles because it gave them the freedom to do so because they were not booked in the first half . This is at the heart of why our players reacted the way they did .
The ref explanation for not giving a red or yellow card early on was " it was my duty to keep eleven a side on the pitch ."
When in fact his duty is to stick to the rules a red or yellow card tackle should be given if deserved in the first minute or the last minute that is why we have referees . Mark Clusterfuck had previous for using his own opinion and ignoring the rules .
The referee Webb had the same excuse in a final either champions league / EUROS / World Cup I can't remember which there was a definite red card incident and he rolled out " it was my duty to keep eleven a side on the pitch " no its not its the refs duty to ref a match to the rules and not to what they think is best to do .

 

[rez9000]

With regard to the "battle of the bridge" nobody but nobody will convince me that the second half battle would not have occurred if the ref had done his job and booked at the minimum four Chelsea players and indeed one of the fouls was in my view a red in the first half .
Because of his ineptitude the Chelsea players were allowed to stop us with yellow card tackles because it gave them the freedom to do so because they were not booked in the first half . This is at the heart of why our players reacted the way they did .
The ref explanation for not giving a red or yellow card early on was " it was my duty to keep eleven a side on the pitch ."
When in fact his duty is to stick to the rules a red or yellow card tackle should be given if deserved in the first minute or the last minute that is why we have referees . Mark Clusterfuck had previous for using his own opinion and ignoring the rules .
The referee Webb had the same excuse in a final either champions league / EUROS / World Cup I can't remember which there was a definite red card incident and he rolled out " it was my duty to keep eleven a side on the pitch " no its not its the refs duty to ref a match to the rules and not to what they think is best to do .

Yep. Mark Shattenburg thinking the game was all about him, the balloon-ego'd, scum-sucking, wankstain.

 

[rez9000]

Thing is Jose will only ever go to where he believes he can win stuff.

We have everything in place for this to happen now, and he's being given exactly what he's ask for. There's a reason why Hitch and Birch were brought in and the restructuring at board level as well.

Levy I believe has proven in the last couple of years Enic are not only in this for the money, which has been leveled at them in the past.

The wise man builds his house upon the rocks.

 

[spids]

At the time I enjoyed it but looking back I was embarrassed to watch it.

Chelsea got in our heads that day and did the job they set out to do, there are different ways to be competitive in a match and as Jose has said, we need to be intelligent ***** and moving forward, I think we will be.

I disagree. The players only started to get a bit rough w=once the ref stopped doing his job. And we did not lose the title at Stamford Bridge (we lost it by losing 1-0 at home to Leicester and drawing 1-1 away against them), neither did we lose the match. We drew a tough away London derby against a team that raised their game to above Cup Final levels. For me that was the day we stood up with steel and the team came of age. And we were better the following season for it.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Thing is Jose will only ever go to where he believes he can win stuff.

We have everything in place for this to happen now, and he's being given exactly what he's ask for. There's a reason why Hitch and Birch were brought in and the restructuring at board level as well.

Levy I believe has proven in the last couple of years Enic are not only in this for the money, which has been leveled at them in the past.

The wise man builds his house upon the rocks.

Yep, Jose isn't stupid he would've had tons of offers of different clubs and projects but he always said he wants his next project to be one that has a good environment and the aim is to win. As said before by choosing Spurs he knew that everything is in place infrastructure wise and the team and squad had come close to 2 PL titles and a CL in the previous 2-3 years but that it needed a bit of re-shaping and balancing and adding some extra quality and experienced players with the right mentality. He's now got a brilliant blend of quality, depth and winners.

Do we have another thread on Hitch and Birch and re-structure etc as to be honest its all quite confusing and nuanced and all i've read people say is that Birch has come in because he's an expert in M&A but we didn't do any M&A during the summer so I'm not sure how exactly this re-structure has helped with the football and transfer side of things but if anyone can explain that it would be fascinating to know because this summer was by far in away our best most efficient and clinical transfer window so clearly the re-structure has worked which is extremely positive.

I think the timing of the AON documentary as well is great because its given our fans and others fans an insight into exactly how much of a winner Jose is and also how Levy does want us to win and succeed he's just been building the infrastructure to enable us to start to compete with wages and transfer fee's financially.

Onwards and upwards.
COYS.

 

[bomberH]

At the time I enjoyed it but looking back I was embarrassed to watch it. Similar to Holland vs Spain in the 2010 World Cup where Holland were nothing short of a disgrace.

We lost our heads and as mentioned, we were a stupid bunch of *****! It brought me no joy seeing our players rip through the Chelsea players, regardless of how much I dislike them. There is no place in football to intentionally hurt a player, similar to Luke Shaw on Sunday where he should have 100% seen red for a disgusting tackle with no other objective than to hurt Moura.

Chelsea got in our heads that day and did the job they set out to do, there are different ways to be competitive in a match and as Jose has said, we need to be intelligent ***** and moving forward, I think we will be.

I respectfully disagree.

Chelsea played like ****s the whole season, especially Hazard, and then they come good against us. The players had actively said on TV that they hoped Leicester win the league even though they still had to play us. The vast majority of the dirty stuff from us (Dier’s 2 red challenges, Mason’s red challenge, Lamela’s stamp etc) came in the last few minutes after they equalised, it wasn’t part of our game plan as such. The rest of it we were brilliantly aggressive without being dirty (bar Dembele). This was the match every other team in the PL realised we were no longer a soft touch. That can do wonders in the long run regarding how teams prepare against us.

We only became stupid ****s in the last few minutes (Dembele incident aside). First half we were excellent, aggressive, dominant ****s. There were healthy duels throughout, like with Rose and whoever crossed his path, but overall, they just really upped their game second half for the first time that season and we lost it during the last few minutes. After years and years of having the piss taken out of us for having a soft underbelly, no-one said that about us anymore.

Jose will make sure this continues and obviously I don’t mean he’ll instruct his players to injure anyone, but he’ll certainly be happy for our players to ‘let the opposition know you’re there’ and if it involves a bit of shithousery, then great. What Lamela did is no different to Drogba diving every week.

 

[spids]

Yep, Jose isn't stupid he would've had tons of offers of different clubs and projects but he always said he wants his next project to be one that has a good environment and the aim is to win. As said before by choosing Spurs he knew that everything is in place infrastructure wise and the team and squad had come close to 2 PL titles and a CL in the previous 2-3 years but that it needed a bit of re-shaping and balancing and adding some extra quality and experienced players with the right mentality. He's now got a brilliant blend of quality, depth and winners.

Good post but I think that despite him saying we had a great squad he always knew from day one he'd have to buy at least half a new team.

I can imagine the three most important things for Jose were:

1. A genuinely world class striker.
2. A club with a clear and strong structure and strategy.
3. One of the best stadiums and trainings ground in the world.

I think the fact Kane was already here and that Levy convinced him the goal is to win the league AND we had money to spend on players Jose wanted. He knew he could put his own team together given backing.

 

[soflapaul]

Thing is Jose will only ever go to where he believes he can win stuff.

The wise man builds his house upon the rocks.

Thanks Trix as that confirms one of my takeaways from the Amazon series. Both Jose and Daniel want to win as it is part of who they are but there also seemed to be an underlying current of desire for vindication, especially Daniel. It was if they found in each other someone who could help rescue their reputation in a situation that was tailor made for both.

 

[ralvy]

Thanks Trix as that confirms one of my takeaways from the Amazon series. Both Jose and Daniel want to win as it is part of who they are but there also seemed to be an underlying current of desire for vindication, especially Daniel. It was if they found in each other someone who could help rescue their reputation in a situation that was tailor made for both.

Maybe that would explain why Jose was watching us from the stands at our new stadium early last season (before things started going super wrong and Poch was sacked). Anyone else remembers this or what match it was? I thought it was very strange at the time, and later when Daniel gave him the job I really wasn't all that surprised, as I immediately thought about that.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

So as I was saying...

Further to your united comments...

Alex Ferguson left United in the shit. On the surface, great record and unbelievable management, I will not dispute that. But look at the squad he left there.

Old! All the class players were at the end of an era, infact if you look carefully at the squad only Rooney (past it at this point), de gea, Valencia and young can be considered top four quality (belatedly) who were under 30!

I still think the managers were not the problem, including Moyes. They needed a complete squad rebuild. The signings were erratic. Pogba was 80m and if they had any thought process they would have used that on 4 experienced pl players.

When José came in he was following van gaal who left the squad with some decent players but young and without leadership. I still think José did brilliantly with what he had. The glazers and ed have been the problem there and it's no surprise ole is having trouble.

José also got slammed for his treatment of Shaw and Pogba who imo are still part of the problem there. Any player/manager who goes there should know what they are letting themselves in for.

Anyway united may eventually recover to become contenders just by throwing money at the problems.

Also look at lampard and Arteta as well and they may prove me wrong but problems with the board and average managers will continue to be a problem in those clubs.

Football is not difficult, you win games and win cups when the manager is talented, when the players are talented and when everyone is pushing in the same direction.

No suprise Everton are doing well now (world class manager who is backed), Liverpool (world class manager who is backed), city, well you get the idea.

But now we can add José to that list. And I will bet that there is your top four. Everton possibly excluded due to having Pickford.

Now it comes down to the best squads, and the best managers. So for me it's the above.

I think we have a chance.

 

[LeParisien]

Thing is Jose will only ever go to where he believes he can win stuff.

We have everything in place for this to happen now, and he's being given exactly what he's ask for. There's a reason why Hitch and Birch were brought in and the restructuring at board level as well.

Levy I believe has proven in the last couple of years Enic are not only in this for the money, which has been leveled at them in the past.

The wise man builds his house upon the rocks.

It was always clear Levy wanted to win. He wanted to play the long game and create the right conditions for long term success. A lot has been invested in the academy, training ground and stadium. They are all world class. Many people saw this as proof they wanted to make a quick buck and weren’t interested in winning. They were wrong - they just didn’t understand the long game.

Since the stadium was finished they have invested significantly in the first team. A huge amount given Coronavirus. And I think that will continue, particularly if fans can come in this season.

We now have the best squad most of us have ever seen (except a few of the oldies maybe) and a world class manager. Some people were quick to blame the absence of these things on Levy or ENIC but I wonder whether they will be so quick to give the credit for their présence to the same people ?

Anyway - very positive times at spurs now and I think this is the future for us. Glorious times.

 

[stormfly]

Maybe that would explain why Jose was watching us from the stands at our new stadium early last season (before things started going super wrong and Poch was sacked). Anyone else remembers this or what match it was? I thought it was very strange at the time, and later when Daniel gave him the job I really wasn't all that surprised, as I immediately thought about that.

I think it was the Newcastle game.

 

[Roy's Racers]

Maybe that would explain why Jose was watching us from the stands at our new stadium early last season (before things started going super wrong and Poch was sacked). Anyone else remembers this or what match it was? I thought it was very strange at the time, and later when Daniel gave him the job I really wasn't all that surprised, as I immediately thought about that.

Jose was also the "assistant manager" for Inter when we played them for the stadium test match.

 

[tony0379]

If there's 1 game I'd love to replayed, it'll be the one against Juventus when Allegro switched tactics and Poch sat there numb

 

[BringBack_leGin]

If there's 1 game I'd love to replayed, it'll be the one against Juventus when Allegro switched tactics and Poch sat there numb

Worst part is, Allegri really isn’t the tactical genius he’s made out to be. He’s won Serie A once with Milan when Juve were still not quite put back together following the big scandal and Inter imploded (aided by one G. Bale) in the aftermath of Mourinho leaving; then several with Juventus when they were already steamrolling the league every season by the time he took over and the quality of the rest had dipped.

He’s looked at as some kind of Italian Mourinho but I actually don’t see what he’s done to deserve that status.

Plus he got schooled by Harry Redknapp.

 

[Japhet]

If there's 1 game I'd love to replayed, it'll be the one against Juventus when Allegro switched tactics and Poch sat there numb

I'd replay the CL final and tell Sissoko not to wave his arms about.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Worst part is, Allegri really isn’t the tactical genius he’s made out to be. He’s won Serie A once with Milan when Juve were still not quite put back together following the big scandal and Inter imploded (aided by one G. Bale) in the aftermath of Mourinho leaving; then several with Juventus when they were already steamrolling the league every season by the time he took over and the quality of the rest had dipped.

He’s looked at as some kind of Italian Mourinho but I actually don’t see what he’s done to deserve that status.

Plus he got schooled by Harry Redknapp.

Well. You are leaving out his stint at Cagliari. Cagliari isn't prestigious enough to win anything so that spell is a bit overlooked, and it doesn't fit the narrative that he isn't good because he has won by managing clubs that would be winners anyway. But his achievements there in a short time as manager were rather good compared to the level of the club when he started and when he finished.

 

[Ionman34]

Absolutely! Abso-fucking-lutely! No more Mr Nice Spurs.

If needed, I want us to be so nasty on the pitch that even Milwall fans catch their breath and mumble, 'oh, I say, that's a bit much'; I'm serious - not about the Milwall fan bit, but the rest.

Along with Utd players saying "Shit lads, it's Spurs" in a trembling voice.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Well. You are leaving out his stint at Cagliari. Cagliari isn't prestigious enough to win anything so that spell is a bit overlooked, and it doesn't fit the narrative that he isn't good because he has won by managing clubs that would be winners anyway. But his achievements there in a short time as manager were rather good compared to the level of the club when he started and when he finished.

I didn’t suggest he’s not a good manager, I suggested he’s not as good as he’s made out to be. I stand by this.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I didn’t suggest he’s not a good manager, I suggested he’s not as good as he’s made out to be. I stand by this.

And I suggest that your only argument, which in essence is that he has won by managing winning clubs, is severely mitigated by looking at what he did for a far less prestigious club.