Jose Mourinho

[rossdapep]

Poch was class and had us playing at a level I didn’t think was possible. I honestly feel he burnt himself out though. He was so emotionally involved and by the end he didn’t look like he was enjoying himself and went very strange in press conferences. Saying he may leave just before the biggest game we’ve had in decades is a prime example. The fact he’s still unemployed now seems to me that he knew he was burnt out and needed a break.

I think this is why he was contradicting himself all the time.

On one hand he probably wanted to just go home and rest, after all management is extremely stressful and if you are so involved it can have a huge effect mentality - afterall who is looking after the coach's mental state? On the other hand he probably wanted to get through the tough period and see a new team to work with although I imagine he'd started to give up.

Therefore one minute he was saying he was "very happy" the next he was hinting at problems.

Unfortunately for Poch, the timing of his peak wasn't to our or his benefit. Imagine if we were in peak Poch era now with the stadium built, we'd probably have been able to have more of a splurge on the players he really wanted?! - as we are seeing under Jose.

I do however think Poch needs to try and detach himself more emotionally in his next job. Get close to the players is fine but once they stop responding to your methods, it's hard to change tune.

It's also one of the reasons why I think Jose 'failed' at United, he allowed his frustration and unhappiness boil over and it created a toxic environment.

Lets hope now on they can all work together professionally and Levy supports Jose as much as possible so that he feels he has all the tools to compete.

Jose is loved by the board at Inter, the president at Madrid and by all in Porto, so it shows that when there's no discordance off the pitch, Jose can be very well liked and very successful.

 

[ShayLaB]

I know this is written in the rosy glow of progress in both cup competitions but I think he has been great. I was a little worried given they way things ended at Utd but all doubts are now gone. He is the most successful manager who has every managed Tottenham; if he doesn't do well here we should be looking at the club as-much/more-than him.

 

[wrd]

It's also one of the reasons why I think Jose 'failed' at United, he allowed his frustration and unhappiness boil over and it created a toxic environment.

Lets hope now on they can all work together professionally and Levy supports Jose as much as possible so that he feels he has all the tools to compete.

Jose is loved by the board at Inter, the president at Madrid and by all in Porto, so it shows that when there's no discordance off the pitch, Jose can be very well liked and very successful.

The United one is certainly interesting when we've been hearing all summer from those who have to do Business with the United board just how incompetent they are. Somebody like Ole, who loves the club and isn't a high profile manager will accept it but somebody like Jose, absolutely not and it's easy to understand why he is loving the process with us and the board we have.

 

[HodisGawd]

We don't support the manager, right? We support the club.

Jose is in the hot seat right now, so our trust is with him.

 

[LDNYid]

Credit where it’s due - these past couple of weeks Have been navigated superbly by Jose. I didn’t want him at the club, but he’s here and I support Spurs so I support the manager. Levy is playing a blinder if a window and Jose has got me believing that this squad can get over the line this year.

 

[sausage]

I don't know where this debate about who's the better manager out of Pochettino and Redknapp has come from; both managers left us in a better state than they found us IMO, and that's all you can ask really. You can say the same for Martin Jol.

It was just a small comment that unfortunately unfolded. I was saying that it's strange that people seem to skip over (disregarding, as if it was unremarkable) the Redknapp era when promoting the Poch one.

 

[Thewobbler]

If there is anytime for him to win us a trophy its this season. Our squad is now one of the best in the league. Hopefully son and bale return after the international break and we start to destroy teams.

 

[sausage]

It's also one of the reasons why I think Jose 'failed' at United, he allowed his frustration and unhappiness boil over and it created a toxic environment.

It's actually really funny reading how United fans talk about him. Most successful manager since Fergie left, 1.3% off his Win%, but they hate him (most of them, it seems with an unhealthy passion). Solksjaer is 6 losses off him with 50 games less.

They blame the managers for something that is clearly culturally wrong with the club - that is, the board, CEO and players are 'bigger' than the manager.

 

[jay2040]

I mean this is true, though I would say Reguilon seems to be as much of a Poch player as you can get.

But at the same time there are a lot of fans who seem unable to accept what an unbelievable job Poch actually did. No manager is flawless but what Poch did was not just 'good' but beyond 'anyone's realistic expectations' good and people still making sly digs at someone who isn't even at the club anymore is frankly disrespectful and reeks of entitlement.

Now this isn't really directed at you. I support the club, not the manager. I always want all our players to do well and all our managers to do well, and with the manager thing it's so childish at times. Like, the whole team Poch team Jose crap. The same shit goes on with players too. It's pretty representative of the world outside it too. Super short term, super emotional and, without, as you call for, analysis.

This lack of analysis though comes through a lot on this thread. I read complaints about playing long and directing hate towards the player when that's nothing to really do with the player. Or reading people blame Winks for playing deeper than PEH as if that's his decision. These are the results of tactical decisions or coaching practices, not players. Nothing to do with players unless they are willingly choosing to disobey or they haven't been coached properly so are 'making it up as they go along'. These are comments about management unfairly directed towards players.

Or on the other hand suggestions that Kane against Southampton, came deeper in the second half out of his own will to 'fix' Jose's long ball tactics is the same thing on the other end. Praising players for what are most certainly coaching decisions probably worked in the training ground weeks before.

Then again, some people here are talking about Jose as if he's proven himself here already, he hasn't, and there are still question marks. Having said that there are positive signs.

Games are less entertaining then under Poch, I would even argue under Poch at his most dysfunctional, though the latter is more likely because I actually enjoy watching positional play and find it absorbing, though not enjoyable, when watching it not work. Now we have a lot more game management, a lot more long balls, a lot more numbers game, and still a too big a gap between our defensive players and forward players for my liking. Apart from resulting in spending a little more time distracted and glancing on my phone does this really matter? No. Should we judge Jose Mourinho on what Poch did? Well no. He comes in in a very different situation and plays his own style.

Okay, you have some fans who insist that Jose, when he gets going, will actually play good fun positive football. Which I don't understand. While Mourinho teams have been entertaining in patches, they have never, and I'm including his counter attacking Real Madrid team here, been consistently good to watch and he is not a 'positive' manager. Which is absolutely fine, that's what he does and he used to be the best manager in the world doing exactly that.

Jose has to be judged on his results, not on his entertainment value, and I get that some fans will always be turned off by that. However, we will still have some entertainment coming from good players do good things, and Jose will not be here for ever, in fact I doubt he will even be here particularly long. But, I think there is legitimate reasons for people to find Jose to be a turn off, even if we do find success.

I would have liked to see Poch be given a few more games to turn it around, especially with Lo Celso gaining fitness and that I felt he deserved to be given the chance to turn it around, and w3 d5 l4 is bad but not so bad to really be in serious trouble. It's also worth pointing out that Mourinho himself went through a run of form that read w4 d4 l4 between December and July and the COVID break, in many ways, really saved our season. But mainly it's because football is really lacking patience. Imagine we sacked Nicholson in 1959 (and again in 1966 and 1970), Burkinshaw in 1977 or Terry Venables in 1988. Because were it the modern day they absolutely would have been sacked those seasons. All of them achieved a lot after those years. Ups and downs used to be accepted, and actually a natural process of management, now it's all instant gratification. OK that's the last time I'll compare the two managers.

I know it sounds like I'm having a go at Jose, I'm really not. I support him and accept his style. I can also enjoy defensive performances too, though normally of the more frantic even 'brave' kind (see peak atletico who play very aggressively that relies in having the absolute confidence that defenders will win headers from out wide and win key tackles). As soon as Poch left I actively wanted Jose to be the one to come in and saw him as the only logical choice. I fully support him and have strong hopes about what's to come. The thing is, he has to succeed, and he has to do that quickly. Because if he doesn't there is very little in the way of good will and attempt at entertainment or feelings that this is a project to get him through tough times. We will learn a lot about what is likely to happen in the next month or so.

Just won 7-2 and a plethora of potential great signings and you moan about Poch. Look forwards rather than backwards.....

 

[Shadydan]

This has been deleted, who was it

Windy saying that he'd rather 2.5 years of peak Poch ball and win no trophies as opposed to winning 10 trophies with Jose ball

 

[Shadydan]

We don't support the manager, right? We support the club.

Jose is in the hot seat right now, so our trust is with him.

Not everyone supports that unfortunately.

 

[spursfan77]

Feels like the season really starts for us after the international break, even though the previous games have been very important. bale and son back, new players bedded in, group stages of the Europa.

I reckon if you offered Jose the position we are in now, a month ago he would’ve taken it. Okay we haven’t got off to a flier in the League but with all the new players I’m very confident

It has been fine margins in the games we haven't won though hasn't it. Everyone would take a win against Man U next though, Champions League 6 pointer. Going to be hard, wish we had Bale for it thats for sure.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Windy saying that he'd rather 2.5 years of peak Poch ball and win no trophies as opposed to winning 10 trophies with Jose ball

Guys a prize plum.Especially with what we saw last night. There was some delicious play. Guess he'd rather see lloris roll out the ball to full backs being pressed hard and making mistake after mistake with horizontal balls across the box. Jose has got the team playing some delicious football and I trust this is just the start. ?

 

[Trix]

Windy saying that he'd rather 2.5 years of peak Poch ball and win no trophies as opposed to winning 10 trophies with Jose ball

I stopped listening to what Windy had to say years ago. Was switched on as far as the youth games were concerned, apart from that he is very easily ignorable.

 

[DJS]

Jose doing a good job of balancing out the squad.

We now have hopefully another first team forward who is capable of pushing Kane and providing another option.

We have four wide players in Bale, Son, Bergwijn and Moura who can be rotated.

We have two new full backs to replace or compete with last seasons where we had no depth there.

We hopefully will be getting Škriniar from Inter to strengthen our centre back options.

All in all a fantastic window and Jose looks as though hopefully starting to install his winning mentality to our squad.

I absolutely loved Poch from that first season onwards we looked so much better then we had ever been during my time supporting them, but the squad had grown stale, he didn’t seem proactive recruit for positions needed and more than one very trusted ITK on here suggested he had lost the squad and he looked like he had lost the will.

He needed a break and having put so much into getting us overachieve during his tenure he seemed burnt out to me.

Would love to have him back at some point in the future although hope he improves his recruitment methods (or allows a director of football to do this work for him).

 

[wrd]

Windy saying that he'd rather 2.5 years of peak Poch ball and win no trophies as opposed to winning 10 trophies with Jose ball

We need a cringe emoji

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I don't know where this debate about who's the better manager out of Pochettino and Redknapp has come from

Someone with a beard on Twitter said he'd had the best 2 years of his Spurs supporting life watching Spurs under Pochettino. Someone else posted it in here and it all kicked off. Like who cares what the fuck he thinks.

Yes, someone not actually on SC (as far as I know) is responsible for this

 

[Ausp]

It's actually really funny reading how United fans talk about him. Most successful manager since Fergie left, 1.3% off his Win%, but they hate him (most of them, it seems with an unhealthy passion). Solksjaer is 6 losses off him with 50 games less.

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They blame the managers for something that is clearly culturally wrong with the club - that is, the board, CEO and players are 'bigger' than the manager.

Highest win rate there and 3 trophies to show for it...

I'll agree with anyone that José's go-to philosophy was of a defensive mindset while he was there. However, I got the feeling that much of that came from an underdevelopment of what he was trying to do. He tried to rebuild the squad and their tactics from the ground up starting with their defense but he didn't receive the freedom and backing to see it through.

If I recall correctly, his best squads throughout his career all had very clinical attacks and the offense was usually developed later or was the last piece of his puzzle.

 

[King of Otters]

@Dougal has spoken

Deleted the tweet, but, for the second time in a week, i'm pleased to have the opportunity to say what a soft twat Windy is.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

Windy saying that he'd rather 2.5 years of peak Poch ball and win no trophies as opposed to winning 10 trophies with Jose ball

1-2 league cups win for 2.5 years peak Poch maybe fine, but the "10 trophies" talks are just too naive (unless 10 Audi cups)

Moreover, I don't think Jose ball is really that boring if we have a full fit squad. Really enjoy the quick counter-attack. Poch ball in his final days is really similar to AVB's 2nd year tactics