Jose Mourinho

[agrdavidsfan]

I think the complaint actually was that Atkinson made sure to the point of obsession that one of Son's free kicks was taken from the exact spot and was slack on Everton's free kick which funnily enough was from around the same part of the pitch as Son's was.

Why wouldn't you complain. But lets go with same old Jose. It's a neat fit for what you're trying to achieve/have already decided.

Fair enough if that’s true I didn’t see that.

But still for me it’s petty to kick off about it after the event has happened and his players should have been more streetwise

 

[agrdavidsfan]

In that order?

I wound say yes ?

 

[Gilzeanking]

- but the reality is football is a fairly simple game, 90% of winning a match is getting the team with the better technical players to flourish and move the ball around well. This rule is true the vast majority of the time,

Yep excellent post , but this bit I can't agree with . The whole Poch/Bielsa thing was getting players motivated/organised to press so there are aspects to a team's success other than the best technical players .

 

[ljinko888]

I think one of Poch's problems was he grew too sentimental with a lot of players.

These players who were going nowhere previously but young enough for him to mould and make better.

Some of them went on to become top class for a few years.

Others were clearly punching above their weight for a while. Poch didn't upgrade on the latter group of players however despite his talk of a painful rebuild. He kept them around. Mourinho inherited them thinking from the outside that they were really good players but probably now has seen enough that they aren't good enough and they were made to look better when the top class players were fit and firing.

Now Mourinho isn't sentimental. We've seen that with Danny Rose who he wanted at Man Utd in 2017 but now happily discards. He's been around the top level to have worked with bigger, stronger personalities in dressing rooms and board rooms. If Levy is willing to give him £15M a year then he has to be willing to take on his demands.

 

[wrd]

I'll never understand the Sissoko sub and then the position he put him in on the pitch.

All the more confusing when you see @glacierSpurs clips and question why Dele of all people came off. I know his passes weren't fantastic but most of the good we did involved him in some way shape or form.

 

[ILS]

I think one of Poch's problems was he grew too sentimental with a lot of players.

These players who were going nowhere previously but young enough for him to mould and make better.

Some of them went on to become top class for a few years.

Others were clearly punching above their weight for a while. Poch didn't upgrade on the latter group of players however despite his talk of a painful rebuild. He kept them around. Mourinho inherited them thinking from the outside that they were really good players but probably now has seen enough that they aren't good enough and they were made to look better when the top class players were fit and firing.

Now Mourinho isn't sentimental. We've seen that with Danny Rose who he wanted at Man Utd in 2017 but now happily discards. He's been around the top level to have worked with bigger, stronger personalities in dressing rooms and board rooms. If Levy is willing to give him £15M a year then he has to be willing to take on his demands.

He does have his favourites though which wouldn't be an issue if they were the best options in their positions.

 

[Stamford]

Fair enough if that’s true I didn’t see that.

But still for me it’s petty to kick off about it after the event has happened and his players should have been more streetwise

He has been telling them for nearly a year to be streetwise though. We know cos they've made a 9 part doc about it. At some point we have to look at the players, these are basic things they're being asked to do.

 

[spursfan77]

If Levy isn't going to back Mourinho, then he isn't going to back anyone. If he doesn't get the players in that Mourinho wants, and they seem realistic enough, then he deserves all the shit from Jose that is about to come his way.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I think one of Poch's problems was he grew too sentimental with a lot of players.

These players who were going nowhere previously but young enough for him to mould and make better.

Some of them went on to become top class for a few years.

Others were clearly punching above their weight for a while. Poch didn't upgrade on the latter group of players however despite his talk of a painful rebuild. He kept them around. Mourinho inherited them thinking from the outside that they were really good players but probably now has seen enough that they aren't good enough and they were made to look better when the top class players were fit and firing.

Now Mourinho isn't sentimental. We've seen that with Danny Rose who he wanted at Man Utd in 2017 but now happily discards. He's been around the top level to have worked with bigger, stronger personalities in dressing rooms and board rooms. If Levy is willing to give him £15M a year then he has to be willing to take on his demands.

'Poch didn't upgrade on the latter group of players however despite his talk of a painful rebuild. He kept them around.'

Eh! Have you not been listening to what he said?

 

[adamsky]

Still can’t get my head around bringing on Sissoko for Dele at half time, it was a baffling decision. Who could watch that first half and think that was the right decision? We needed some guile, someone to come on and calm us down and get us playing. Sissoko has his attributes and there is a time and place for him in the squad but yesterday was clearly not it.

 

[ILS]

All the more confusing when you see @glacierSpurs clips and question why Dele of all people came off. I know his passes weren't fantastic but most of the good we did involved him in some way shape or form.

I'm clearly not Dele's biggest fan but I was left bemused by the substitution. Fans that pointed out his first touch was shit or he was playing too high next Kane..where have you lot been for the last two years. You stick Dele in the team you know what you get, a player whose best play comes instinctively, will slow and break down attacks but has the knack of getting on the end of things.

Yesterday he was not the problem in the first half. I could name you 5 other players who were higher up the shit list. The problem was instead of bringing on a like for like replacement, he then brought on Sissoko and plonked him directly Infront of one of our attacking threats and therefore eradicated that threat tremendously for Everton.

You can blame the players all you want but Jose's tactics were the biggest issue.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

All these Manager threads where the fans either think they’re amazing or hopeless. They fill up over a few years until the Manager is fired and a new thread is opens. They are all the same.

The problem is Daniel Levy’s management. We have a disjointed squad full of average purchases. Players bought because the deal was good and they were available rather than because they would improve the team and were available. If a player like Aurier isn’t wanted by his club thats a warning sign. Sissoko played in a team that was relegated. Ndombele was known to be lazy off the ball. Moura wasn’t playing for his team. They are all ok but they aren’t at the level we are supposed to be signing.

Put pressure on Daniel Levy to change rather than the Managers or these issues will never change.

Agree. We cannot get the top players from top clubs, for a number of reasons, 99% of the time financially driven. We have chance your arm at the players at the top club, who are out of team / not good enough on the believe that they are of the required quality to sustain a challenge, but reality is telling us that they are not at that required level of quality and then we find ourselves back to square one, or now days playing catch up. the cycle begins again.. We have to breakout of it, either by aiming high or taking a chance with youth. Current recruitment is a cluster fuck!

 

[ljinko888]

'Poch didn't upgrade on the latter group of players however despite his talk of a painful rebuild. He kept them around.'

Eh! Have you not been listening to what he said?

What did he say?

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I'd say it ought to Levy's last roll of the dice in terms of managerial appointment IF Mourinho's position becomes untenable but who's going to replace him? Is he going to sack himself, delegate the job to someone else, is Uncle Joe finally going to wade in?

I don't believe you need a big name or someone with loads of experience. We need someone that is fresh, energetic, open and convincing. Get the players behind your ideas and you've 99% cracked it.

 

[Cochise]

A quick question, but why is Jose past it yet Ancelotti not?

 

[wrd]

I'm clearly not Dele's fan but I was left bemused by the substitution. Fans that pointed out his first touch was shit or he was playing too high next Kane..where have you lot been for the last two years. You stick Dele in the team you know what you get, a player whose best play comes instinctively, will slow and break down attacks but has the knack of getting on the end of things.

Yesterday he was not the problem in the first half. I could name you 5 other players who were higher up the shit list. The problem was instead of bringing on a like for like replacement, he then brought on Sissoko and plonked him directly Infront of one of our attacking threats and therefore eradicated that threat tremendously for Everton.

You can blame the players all you want but Jose's tactics were the biggest issue.

Yeah, I'm absolutely not willing to jump on the Jose is done bandwagon yet as I think we'll turn it around quickly but the problem was obvious yesterday that we were struggling with connecting midfield to attack. So you either hook of one of the forwards for a player who can play triangles and we only had 2 options for that with the obvious being Lamela. The other option was to hook Winks off for Ndombele.

I said to my mates when I saw the sub, I assumed we were going to switch to 4-3-3 and we'd see Ndombele for Winks shortly after adding Sissoko to counter Ndombele defensive deficiencies but it just didn't happen.

 

[Alex4487]

Still can’t get my head around bringing on Sissoko for Dele at half time, it was a baffling decision. Who could watch that first half and think that was the right decision? We needed some guile, someone to come on and calm us down and get us playing. Sissoko has his attributes and there is a time and place for him in the squad but yesterday was clearly not it.

this is what baffled me sissoko either has to start or come on when the game is won to shore it up . he should never be a go to guy to control the midfield he has a worse first touch than ali fs clueless player along with the manager

 

[ljinko888]

A quick question, but why is Jose past it yet Ancelotti not?

I don't think Ancelotti has ever been rated in the same way. He's always been classed as an excellent manager but never the best manager at any point unlike Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola and now Klopp.

 

[spids]

I'm clearly not Dele's fan but I was left bemused by the substitution. Fans that pointed out his first touch was shit or he was playing too high next Kane..where have you lot been for the last two years. You stick Dele in the team you know what you get, a player whose best play comes instinctively, will slow and break down attacks but has the knack of getting on the end of things.

Yesterday he was not the problem in the first half. I could name you 5 other players who were higher up the shit list. The problem was instead of bringing on a like for like replacement, he then brought on Sissoko and plonked him directly Infront of one of our attacking threats and therefore eradicated that threat tremendously for Everton.

You can blame the players all you want but Jose's tactics were the biggest issue.

This is so spot on. Dele is all about getting in the box and scoring. Despite not playign all that well he had a good chance well saved first half, and if Doherty had of shot across goal he may have had a tap in at the far post (not criticising Doherty btw, just the way it could have gone). The problems first half were that our passing in the middle third, and movement up top, was very pedestrian. Winks was poor. Kane only made one run all game. Son looked quite sharp. Despite all his effort off the ball, Moura's first touch was woeful. But starting the second half with Winks and Sissoko in CM shows how we have not moved on from the turgid football of the last 18 months. We need a creative player in CAM.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

José can call the performance lazy all he wants but he picked the team and set the tactics.

Playing Lucas Moura as the inside forward to allow the lopsided full back space to move forward is his first mistake. Lucas is never going to link play and be creative with his awful first touch and lack of football brain. Much more suited to play Lamela or Dele in that position. And if he wasn't happy with those options, could have gone for Willian or James Rodríguez.

Then playing the double pivot of Winks and Hojberg, play one or the other, and we've already established that Winks is a squad player at best so only one option there. Despite creating a couple of chances in the first half Everton looked much more comfortable on the ball than us through the 3rds.

Then that Sissoko sub, Lord have mercy, wtf was that about?? Deciding to go 442 giving up even more of the midfield, just played right into Ancelottis hands.

Onto Ndombele, while he wasn't great, when he did get on the ball he had zero options around him, the movement is so poor and nobody at all wants the ball.

Jose hired Ledley as a defensive coach, well he also needs to hire an attacking coach imo as he has no clue whatsoever how to get us to control a game and create attacking situations.