Jose Mourinho

[lol]

How many semi finals did we lose under Poch? The CL final was a nightmare due to poor tactics from Poch IMO.

He had taken us as far as he could, he'd had 5/6 years and whilst we played some great football we didn't win any trophies - all the great football meant nothing.

He's a good bloke and really was a part of our club but that ultimately is not enough.

Mourinho has won trophies everywhere he has been. He's been with us for around 6 months and is having to manage a team during a worldwide pandemic. He deserves more time. Would I give him the time that Poch was afforded? No I wouldn't however, time is what he should be given. Let's see where we are in Feb.

Give poch the kind of money and freedom to spend mou had and i guarantee you he wins trophies.

I disagree with the part where you say he'd taken us as far as he could. He took us as far as he could Under the restrictions of budget/control we've given him. He should have been give more time if we had no money, or more money if we had no time. We deserve to be in this cluster fuck where we lost our young potential world class manager, stuck with an overpaid dinosaur who is about to destroy the changing room, with our stars getting older and leaving.

 

[carpediem991]

Hmm. We were utter shit under Poch for some team and didn't go down fighting - we had players acting like they didn't know what a ball was.

Bournemouth was the first game in the last 10 or so we failed to score in, and a big part of that was VAR corruption I'm sure.

The problem for years under Poch has been our shite defence, and that was always stopping us from winning things (often games), so I don't really see the problem if we have to get our defence right first before we cover up our issues with goals again. I'm sure it's a short term discomfort for a long term gain.

15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36

(Now already 44)

The defense was not really a problem under Poch for a long period.

 

[sausage]

Zero shots on target. Three goals shipped against Sheffield United. We have not sorted the defence, we deserved to lose to Bournemouth. That is not sorting out the defence. Sticking 11 men behind the back is not sorting out the defence. We brought in a man who has sociopathic tendencies.

Ok, so a few things here:
- Shots on target is not related to defending.
- Our defence has been crap for years. Picking a couple of recent games and saying "why isn't it magically fixed" isn't related to what I was saying.
- Personal attributes of Mourinho aren't relevant either.

At the end of the day, he's one of the most decorated and successful managers the game has ever seen. That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't make him a miracle worker, but it certainly buys a bit of faith.

 

[enfieldyid]

Ok, so a few things here:
- Shots on target is not related to defending.
- Our defence has been crap for years. Picking a couple of recent games and saying "why isn't it magically fixed" isn't related to what I was saying.
- Personal attributes of Mourinho aren't relevant either.

At the end of the day, he's one of the most decorated and successful managers the game has ever seen. That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't make him a miracle worker, but it certainly buys a bit of faith.

He has spent more money than any other manager in the world.

 

[noggen]

15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36

(Now already 44)

The defense was not really a problem under Poch for a long period.

You forgot 18/19: 39

The defense was ok in 16/17. That's a really long period you're talking about..

 

[BringBack_leGin]

See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone

I don’t think anyone wanted him gone, just like nobody wants to cut off a finger. But if that finger is gangrenous with a risk of spreading all over, you fucking chop it off. Problem is, replacing that finger is best done with a dull looking synthetic which is designed in tune with your physical and biological make up, but it’s easy to be excited by the gold plated diamond encrusted ceramic finger which once inserted doesn’t actually move in any direction or bend or serve and real purpose.

That said, I’ll openly admit that I felt there was no turning it around for Pochettino for a myriad of reasons, not least him being handcuffed by our increasingly poor transfer strategy, and also that I felt installing Mourinho was the best and most ambitious choice available. As it stands, I’m disappointed with what we’ve seen, but I also accept that he’s almost definitely here until at least the 9th match of next season so therefore I fully hope he turns it around and is given the tools to do so to whatever extent we are able to.

 

[sausage]

15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36

(Now already 44)

The defense was not really a problem under Poch for a long period.

To give the full picture:

14/15: 53
15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36
18/19: 39

17 of this season's conceded was in Poch's 12 games (1.42 per game) - we've conceded 27 in 22 since (1.22).

I'd say there there's enough to indicate that defence was one of the many things that were becoming an increasing problem beyond that peak season we had. We were returning back to the exact same mess he started off with.

 

[jolsnogross]

How many semi finals did we lose under Poch? The CL final was a nightmare due to poor tactics from Poch IMO.

He had taken us as far as he could, he'd had 5/6 years and whilst we played some great football we didn't win any trophies - all the great football meant nothing.

He's a good bloke and really was a part of our club but that ultimately is not enough.

Mourinho has won trophies everywhere he has been. He's been with us for around 6 months and is having to manage a team during a worldwide pandemic. He deserves more time. Would I give him the time that Poch was afforded? No I wouldn't however, time is what he should be given. Let's see where we are in Feb.

We should frame this one and put it on the mantle piece. Pure poetry. We can call it "decadent entitlement". Or maybe sticking with the theme it might best be called "the great endurance".

Thanks for putting up with all that great footy, top 4 finishes, and latter stages of cup competitions. Special shout out for surviving the nightmare of a CL final.

It was super human of you to "afford" Poch the time to finish second, third and fourth in the league. That's the natural position for Spurs over the last half century, of course, so obviously "all the great football meant nothing".

There should be a 'tip of the hat' rating for insights like this.

 

[dtxspurs]

Well, that and the fact that people seem to have been forgetting we were crap in form and aesthetically under Poch for a good 18months to 2 years.

e.g. it wasn't a mistake. Anything beyond that thought is pure romanticism.

The same manager who said he needed a rebuild and then 2 of the 3 players he was given (in 2 years) were out basically the entire time before he got sacked. It was a bullshit move then & was a bullshit move now.

 

[WinksyBoy]

We should frame this one and put it on the mantle piece. Pure poetry. We can call it "decadent entitlement". Or maybe sticking with the theme it might best be called "the great endurance".

Thanks for putting up with all that great footy, top 4 finishes, and latter stages of cup competitions. Special shout out for surviving the nightmare of a CL final.

It was super human of you to "afford" Poch the time to finish second, third and fourth in the league. That's the natural position for Spurs over the last half century, of course, so obviously "all the great football meant nothing".

There should be a 'tip of the hat' rating for insights like this.

So top 4 is the extent of your ambition? Ok fine, sorry if most other fans have higher ambitions.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

My problem with Jose is how he exudes negativity. Everything he says and does is with a negative mindset and with a negative demeanour. It really makes me worry about how it rubs off with the players, and how he is with them as well. I know it might just be part of his mind games with the media and he might act completely differently with the squad, but it still concerns me. If the players are feeling down, or stressed out due to the form then negativity will only make it worse. They'll be so afraid of making mistakes that they won't play with freedom and confidence. They'll play in a frustrated way.
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Even Son doesn’t look happy. They all look depressed. Forget tactics for a minute If you got someone in there who was just positive and got the players to enjoy what they’re doing you would see a difference on the pitch. He comes across as a bitter, snide, miserable old man now.

 

[sausage]

The same manager who said he needed a rebuild and then 2 of the 3 players he was given (in 2 years) were out basically the entire time before he got sacked. It was a bullshit move then & was a bullshit move now.

Ah we're back on the "3 players in 2 years" thing.

Why have we returned to fantasy world to pretend Poch was somehow unduly sacked. An orchestra of tiny violins.

For corrections in reality, for the "2 years" thing (surprised it isn't 3 or 4 years by now):

Aug 2019: Lo Celso £15m loan
Aug 2019: Sessegnon £25m
July 2019: Clarke £10m
July 2019: NDombele £55m
Jan 2018: Aurier £23m
Aug 2017: Sanchez £42m
Aug 2017: Gazzaniga £?
Aug 2017: Foyth £10m
Aug 2017: Moura £25m
Aug 2017: Llorente £12m

Total: £217m. Or £108.5m per calendar year. Not including additional fees (some quote sanchez potential as much higher) etc.


Man has the most incredible PR circus going.

(Also - "asked for a rebuild", didn't have the guts to tell any of them he wanted them to go. Left it for Levy to do, and they all dug in because they said they wouldn't go unless Poch told them.)

 

[fortworthspur]

Ah we're back on the "3 players in 2 years" thing.

Why have we returned to fantasy world to pretend Poch was somehow unduly sacked. An orchestra of tiny violins.

For corrections in reality, for the "2 years" thing (surprised it isn't 3 or 4 years by now):

Aug 2019: Lo Celso £15m loan
Aug 2019: Sessegnon £25m
July 2019: Clarke £10m
July 2019: NDombele £55m
Jan 2018: Aurier £23m
Aug 2017: Sanchez £42m
Aug 2017: Gazzaniga £?
Aug 2017: Foyth £10m
Aug 2017: Moura £25m
Aug 2017: Llorente £12m

Total: £217m. Or £108.5m per calendar year. Not including additional fees (some quote sanchez potential as much higher) etc.


Man has the most incredible PR circus going.

(Also - "asked for a rebuild", didn't have the guts to tell any of them he wanted them to go. Left it for Levy to do, and they all dug in because they said they wouldn't go unless Poch told them.)

good point, it was one player, Aurier, in 23 months.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

Mourinho admits Daniel Levy is unhappy but believes key transfers will cheer up Tottenham fans

"[I'm optimistic] because I start working from day one, because I believe we are going to make some changes in our squad, and for that we don’t need a huge investment like the club made in the past summer," the Portuguese explained.

"Don’t forget that was a huge investment in the last summer on transfers, because I don’t believe, I cannot believe, that the season is going to be so full of negative episodes like we’ve had since practically since day one.

...

"How long it took for Jurgen [Klopp] and Liverpool? Yep. Four years, four seasons," he said.

"I’m focused on my three-year contract. I believe that in my three-year contract we can win trophies. If we don’t, but the club does it in the new era if I stay here only for three years, I will be happy with that.

Mourinho admits Daniel Levy is unhappy but believes key signings will cheer fans

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been talking about the transfer window and next season at the north London club after a tough campaign

www.football.london

 

[fortworthspur]

good point, it was one player, Aurier, in 23 months.

actually you got that wrong. Is was Moura we added in the winter window 2018. Otherwise we went 23 months without a new player.

 

[ClintEastwould]

To give the full picture:

14/15: 53
15/16: 35 goals against
16/17: 26
17/18: 36
18/19: 39

17 of this season's conceded was in Poch's 12 games (1.42 per game) - we've conceded 27 in 22 since (1.22).

I'd say there there's enough to indicate that defence was one of the many things that were becoming an increasing problem beyond that peak season we had. We were returning back to the exact same mess he started off with.

Im actually super surprised we conceded only 39 last season

 

[danielneeds]

Mourinho admits Daniel Levy is unhappy but believes key transfers will cheer up Tottenham fans

"[I'm optimistic] because I start working from day one, because I believe we are going to make some changes in our squad, and for that we don’t need a huge investment like the club made in the past summer," the Portuguese explained.

"Don’t forget that was a huge investment in the last summer on transfers, because I don’t believe, I cannot believe, that the season is going to be so full of negative episodes like we’ve had since practically since day one.

...

"How long it took for Jurgen [Klopp] and Liverpool? Yep. Four years, four seasons," he said.

"I’m focused on my three-year contract. I believe that in my three-year contract we can win trophies. If we don’t, but the club does it in the new era if I stay here only for three years, I will be happy with that.

Mourinho admits Daniel Levy is unhappy but believes key signings will cheer fans

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been talking about the transfer window and next season at the north London club after a tough campaign

www.football.london

He always talks a great game. Very curious to see what he’s like after the next window. He seems very sure he can improve the squad for not very much money. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[rossdapep]

He always talks a great game. Very curious to see what he’s like after the next window. He seems very sure he can improve the squad for not very much money. Time will tell, I guess.

I'm not optimistic for obvious reasons but perhaps with him saying "since day one I've been working" indicates that he's already identified and had certain players deemed obtainable by Levy? Otherwise he wouldn't be upbeat about it? We know what Jose is like, he can't hide his feelings, so if Levy was rejecting his options we'd know about it. Of course there's the chance Levy says he'll get the player but then refuses to front up.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

On Monday:

Today:


I'd say you change your mind like the weather, but the weather's been shit for a week which is a few more days than you can manage mate

Or how about I’ve ran out of patience with him and his style of football as many others have said? zzz

 

[Metalhead]

I'm not optimistic for obvious reasons but perhaps with him saying "since day one I've been working" indicates that he's already identified and had certain players deemed obtainable by Levy? Otherwise he wouldn't be upbeat about it? We know what Jose is like, he can't hide his feelings, so if Levy was rejecting his options we'd know about it. Of course there's the chance Levy says he'll get the player but then refuses to front up.

Well certainly Jose seems upbeat. He seems keen on the idea that he has a project on his hands. Maybe I’m a masochist but at this point belief that things will get better both on and off the pitch is what keeps one going as a fan.