Jose Mourinho

[fishhhandaricecake]

You could tell he's the dour United Jose right now because the pressers are just not entertaining. Normally he'd have a quotable or 2 every presser about refs, the FA, etc. Now he's just "i dont want to get in trouble" every press conference.

His wheel of excuses during the pressers fell off at United when his mood changed.

spot on mate

 

[Gb160]

On Monday:

Give him some time, the squads mentality was done after the final loss and poch’s 5yr project coming to an end. We’ve had tons of injuries and were in relegation form before he came in.

Today:

I'm all for giving people time but he's had what 20 matches now and this isn't the kind of football I want to watch, its not the kind of football that the players will want to play in, its not the kind of football that can even be successful with these players. Levy needs to admit his mistake and hope to god there is an early break clause in the contract as this is going to insufferable.

I'd say you change your mind like the weather, but the weather's been shit for a week which is a few more days than you can manage mate

 

[jimbo]

Has anyone considered that sacking a manager after half a season might put off potential future managers?

Yeah, but the risk might be worth it to limit the damage.

Okay.

 

[jay2040]

"The players arent good enough" argument is just bollocks.

Yes we have weaknesses, but Son Heung Min is probably one of the most coveted wide forwards in world football, Harry Kane has over 130 league goals, Dele Alli has 50+, Lamela and Lo Celso are Argentina internationals, Bergwijn is an exciting, talented, pacey young player, and Ndombele was seen as a massive coup when we signed him. Toby is also by no means done at this level and has been one of the best CBs in the league over the past few years, and on his day Lloris is still an excellent keeper (see yesterday).

Even most the players that we slag off are solid mid-table players at worst. There's definitely a lot of mediocrity in the squad, especially in the back 5 + Sissoko, but someone like Lucas would be the best player at most bottom half clubs, and Sanchez, Davies, Dier, Aurier, while clearly not top top players are by no means utter dross. Even our fringe players like Sessegnon, Skipp, Gedson, have bags of potential if used correctly.

We should be doing SO much better than we are. We're a mile off the best teams in the league, but some of you seem to be drinking the Mourinho Kool Aid and seem convinced that our entire squad is trash.

It just isn't.

They were good and had potential which has not been fulfilled. I remember when the England team had plenty of Spurs players in it and now I am not sure anyone other than Kane would make it .
Dele and Dier are no where near the level what we had expected them to be so whilst and on paper the squad looks good in reality they have declined.

 

[1882andallthat]

Spurs official website
"Jose Mourinho couldn’t fault the team’s attitude but pointed to a lack of sharpness in the final third as we were held to a goalless draw at Bournemouth on Thursday evening"......

Well I'll tell you what, I bloody well can......

 

[Metalhead]

Spurs official website
"Jose Mourinho couldn’t fault the team’s attitude but pointed to a lack of sharpness in the final third as we were held to a goalless draw at Bournemouth on Thursday evening"......

Well I'll tell you what, I bloody well can......

Can you imagine if he'd criticised the players though:

"Throwing them under the bus - it was only a matter of time."

 

[Albertbarich]

Has anyone considered that sacking a manager after half a season might put off potential future managers?

Yeah, but the risk might be worth it to limit the damage.

Okay.

Look at the way Chelsea, Madrid etc go through managers

Give someone the right contract and they won't care about anything else.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Look at the way Chelsea, Madrid etc go through managers

Give someone the right contract and they won't care about anything else.

Helps they also get £££ to spend as well.

Make you right though mate, sure if we throw enough cash at Graham Potter he'll make the jump from Brighton to Spurs. ?

 

[ClintEastwould]

He's still free at the moment

As much as I would like that in a romantic sense it’s way too soon. This squad is still hurting and he is associated with that hurt. Maybe the season after next although more likely after he’s had another stint somewhere else for a few years.

 

[Syn_13]

My problem with Jose is how he exudes negativity. Everything he says and does is with a negative mindset and with a negative demeanour. It really makes me worry about how it rubs off with the players, and how he is with them as well. I know it might just be part of his mind games with the media and he might act completely differently with the squad, but it still concerns me. If the players are feeling down, or stressed out due to the form then negativity will only make it worse. They'll be so afraid of making mistakes that they won't play with freedom and confidence. They'll play in a frustrated way.

 

[sausage]

Small man syndrome alone means that Levy would never do that. And I REALLY can't see him as being the type to admit his mistakes. The c***.

Well, that and the fact that people seem to have been forgetting we were crap in form and aesthetically under Poch for a good 18months to 2 years.

e.g. it wasn't a mistake. Anything beyond that thought is pure romanticism.

 

[lol]

See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone

I wished i was part of the amnesia group that can lie to myself saying i wanted poch sacked, so i know at least i probably felt good for a brief moment.

Worst part is i really believe poch is the one. We give young players chances but none to coaches. Look at ole and look at us. If we backed poch or give him another opportunity to revamp the team. Things would have been very different. I would have sold everyone that poch didnt want.

This man took us from nothing to cl finals. He was our greatest asset

 

[Dean]

Well, that and the fact that people seem to have been forgetting we were crap in form and aesthetically under Poch for a good 18months to 2 years.

e.g. it wasn't a mistake. Anything beyond that thought is pure romanticism.

Whilst I understand where you're coming from, I'd rather the team went down fighting instead of being the most boring team in the league AND still being the wrong side of God-awful results wise too. We weren't brilliant under Poch since the press was inexplicably dropped, but we would always score goals.

On top of that, I don't think a single person who cares about Spurs would disagree that this fucking Amazon documentary is a mistake and a bloody gargantuan one at that. I'd rather scoop my eyes out with a rusty old spoon then even watch the trailer to that shit-show.

 

[lol]

funny how 10 years ago i would have sold my grandmother to have Jose as our manager.

He was gold dust, a caste iron guarantee of trophies and success.

I thought it ridiculous that you could pay £25m for a player that may or may not work when you could give £25m to Jose to come and win us stuff guaranteed.

WTF happened??

I would have slept with marilyn monroe too if it was 70 yrs ago but now shes just some bones in the ground.

Sometimes its just not the same anymore

 

[1882andallthat]

Can you imagine if he'd criticised the players though:

"Throwing them under the bus - it was only a matter of time."

I know it's a difficult one and I get why it won't help by throwing them under the bus it just sticks in the throat a bit, I just think he could have been a bit more neutral, instead of reflecting the exact opposite of what was true.

 

[lol]

I thought the shutdown did him an enormous favor. We were horrendous at that time, with injuries a mitigating excuse, and he was headed for ending the season with enormous pressure built up. Then he gets a break, time for players to recover and rest, come back for a mini league refreshed from a mini pre-season of sorts.

But it's been the same utterly turgid rubbish ball since the restart. The footy equivalent of color by numbers and pretending its art. Predictable tactics, players drilled in a philosophy of make no mistake in possession and take advantage of any our opponents make. A permanent inferiority complex, with ultra conservative play in possession, and nobody breaking the lines when we have the ball.

This is footy from the end of George Grahams era. And the end of Hoddle's, albeit without the hidings (Sheff Utd was close to one I suppose). These recent games have been atrocious. We're playing dinosaur ball away to Bournemouth, without a decent chance all game.

It was a clusterfuck to appoint someone who does not jive with the style Poch spent 5 seasons building. It was the ultimate Spursy move not to back a manager who had earned his stripes with us and needed to get through a new team recycling process.

Mourinho defenders will point to his history, avoiding his recent trajectory. I dont find it persuasive. The only possibility is a Leicester style freak season, which is a <5% prospect.

Far more likely is we end this shitshow season, the pressure on next season's start is immense, and more of the same means he gets binned after 8 to 12 games. Based on these recent performances, it cant come soon enough.

Dingdingding

 

[WinksyBoy]

I wished i was part of the amnesia group that can lie to myself saying i wanted poch sacked, so i know at least i probably felt good for a brief moment.

Worst part is i really believe poch is the one. We give young players chances but none to coaches. Look at ole and look at us. If we backed poch or give him another opportunity to revamp the team. Things would have been very different. I would have sold everyone that poch didnt want.

This man took us from nothing to cl finals. He was our greatest asset

How many semi finals did we lose under Poch? The CL final was a nightmare due to poor tactics from Poch IMO.

He had taken us as far as he could, he'd had 5/6 years and whilst we played some great football we didn't win any trophies - all the great football meant nothing.

He's a good bloke and really was a part of our club but that ultimately is not enough.

Mourinho has won trophies everywhere he has been. He's been with us for around 6 months and is having to manage a team during a worldwide pandemic. He deserves more time. Would I give him the time that Poch was afforded? No I wouldn't however, time is what he should be given. Let's see where we are in Feb.

 

[sausage]

Whilst I understand where you're coming from, I'd rather the team went down fighting instead of being the most boring team in the league AND still being the wrong side of God-awful results wise too. We weren't brilliant under Poch since the press was inexplicably dropped, but we would always score goals.

On top of that, I don't think a single person who cares about Spurs would disagree that this fucking Amazon documentary is a mistake and a bloody gargantuan one at that. I'd rather scoop my eyes out with a rusty old spoon then even watch the trailer to that shit-show.

Hmm. We were utter shit under Poch for some team and didn't go down fighting - we had players acting like they didn't know what a ball was.

Bournemouth was the first game in the last 10 or so we failed to score in, and a big part of that was VAR corruption I'm sure.

The problem for years under Poch has been our shite defence, and that was always stopping us from winning things (often games), so I don't really see the problem if we have to get our defence right first before we cover up our issues with goals again. I'm sure it's a short term discomfort for a long term gain.

 

[enfieldyid]

Hmm. We were utter shit under Poch for some team and didn't go down fighting - we had players acting like they didn't know what a ball was.

Bournemouth was the first game in the last 10 or so we failed to score in, and a big part of that was VAR corruption I'm sure.

The problem for years under Poch has been our shite defence, and that was always stopping us from winning things (often games), so I don't really see the problem if we have to get our defence right first before we cover up our issues with goals again. I'm sure it's a short term discomfort for a long term gain.

Zero shots on target. Three goals shipped against Sheffield United. We have not sorted the defence, we deserved to lose to Bournemouth. That is not sorting out the defence. Sticking 11 men behind the back is not sorting out the defence. We brought in a man who has sociopathic tendencies.

 

[Metalhead]

I know it's a difficult one and I get why it won't help by throwing them under the bus it just sticks in the throat a bit, I just think he could have been a bit more neutral, instead of reflecting the exact opposite of what was true.

I think perhaps if he said: "look, this is going to be painful for a while but I have a vision as to where we're going", he might persuade a few more of the doubters but some never liked him before and won't ever take to him as he has too much baggage.