Jose Mourinho

[ItsBoris]

Who did he buy that was good at United?

Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Matic, Lindelof and Bailly (not phenomenal but pretty good players) and Fred is a good midfielder. Lukaku had a good season but admittedly not very good since then.

 

[mpickard2087]

Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. We all knew deep down it would set us back and lead to a few very painful years. And we all also know deep down, ENIC will not do what it required to bring us out of this mess they've left us in.

Well you and your cohorts can keep saying that, and dream that £500m of signings would make it all better, but I'm seeing Lo Celso, Ndombele, Gedson, Bergwijn etc. coming in and also being unsure of what they're trying to do, playing a pass with zero purpose or meaning to the next man, and generally looking like they have little idea of what we're trying to do. Why would it be any different with even more new signings?

What is being coached and asked of them tactically is also a massive problem if not more so, at the moment a plan for coming up against a team in behind the ball is totally missing.

 

[ItsBoris]

That’s true to be fair he does usually buy half decent players. Apart from Fellini & Sanchez

He didn't buy Fellaini (that was Moyes). And I think Sanchez was a smart buy but for some reason he was never the same player he was for Arsenal

 

[Ghost Hardware]

It's also worth noting that there is only 1 month between the last game of this season and next, there is no way the likes of Max Aaronos and hojbjerg are going to have a big enough impact. As bad as things are now, unless Levy sanction a revolution (which he wouldn't even without covid) I don't see how anything changes between now and then.

 

[rossdapep]

Perhaps not, but let's see what happens in summer. One good thing about Jose is that he at least usually buys good players. Even if he doesn't succeed himself, he might put in place a team that his successor can turn into something good.

Lindelhof
Fred
Matic

There the successes I see, not sure who else?

I'm starting to lean towards a project. Not because I want to but because it may be the only way to breathe life back in.

 

[spursfan77]

Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. We all knew deep down it would set us back and lead to a few very painful years. And we all also know deep down ENIC will not do what it required to bring us out of this mess they've left us in.

Yep But surely it makes no sense to let their investment drift off into mediocrity. Maybe now they’ve built the stadium they just want to make the club richer and richer. But now it’s too expensive to buy.

 

[Legacy]

Do people think its just the tactics or have the players out faith and stopped turning up?

They don't look a happy squad at all.

It's a mix of the tactics and the players not being good enough for their roles.

We are using Aurier as our main attacking outlet. A man who hits the first man with crosses more often than Eriksen with corners.

We are using two central midfielders to shield the defence. Winks manages to pass forward with one pass in every ten. Sissoko manages to pass straight back to Winks with four passes in every five.

Davies, as clearly instructed, never gets forward so there is no width and therefore no real threat from our left hand side.

We seem to refuse to let Lo Celso and Ndombele, our two real creative passers, spend time on the pitch together and actually build up an understanding with each other and the attacking players.

Kane is constantly isolated from his teammates but firmly between two opposing centrebacks, which may also be a tactical instruction.

This is very much a team set out to not concede. As poor as the performance of most individuals and the team as a whole have been, the problem is definitely the system. Stick Lewandowski up front, Ronaldo wide left, Messi wide right and the performances and results won't be much different.

It is absolutely mental. We have nothing to lose in the league now, so why not actually go for the throat with this last run of games? I honestly wouldn't have cared if we had lost to Man Utd as long as we played some decent football and then followed it up with decent performances in the games afterwards.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Well you and your cohorts can keep saying that, and dream that £500m of signings would make it all better, but I'm seeing Lo Celso, Ndombele, Gedson, Bergwijn etc. coming in and also being unsure of what they're trying to do, playing a pass with zero purpose or meaning to the next man, and generally looking like they have little idea of what we're trying to do. Why would it be any different with even more new signings?

What is being coached and asked of them tactically is also a massive problem if not more so, at the moment a plan for coming up against a team in behind the ball is totally missing.

No plan on the pitch or off it I don’t know how many times I have to say it. The recruitment needs to match and suit the managers philosophy, we’ve never ever been able to give that to a single manager of ours and that combined with signing many Bang average players is exactly why we win fuck all over and over.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Ive said the same all along. A non CL qualification break clause.

If that’s the case he can fuck off now as CL ship has sailed

 

[nailsy]

It’s painful I don’t want to blame him but only him we can really blame for the game plan and we don’t seem to have one?

I just think he’s not a Tottenham manager sadly we aren’t about being stable and winning 1-0 he seems to be relying on individual brilliance at the moment instead of a plan in fact our players look over coached they all seem to be scared to Break the tactics.

our club is famous for playing attacking football we may not win many things and we may have a few games where we get smashed a season but.....that’s what spurs is about and sadly our fans will not tolerate this kind of football no matter how much success it brings us if it ever does.

So for that reason alone I hope we have a break clause at the end of the season it’s obvious it’s not going to work there’s to many problems and to many issues and I do not trust him to rebuild the squad in fact it would probably lead to a similar situation we had under hoddle? Where we had a lot of older mercenaries like your poyet’s,sherwoods,ferdinands.

the players he will sign will also fit his tactics of boredom and eventually as a fan base we will get sick of that so it’s just better to stop it now.

Before it costs even more to rebuild

We should look at

1) Nagelsman
2) Graham Potter
3) Tuchel
4) Rodgers
5) Nuno Espirito
6) Robert Martinez
7) Ten Haag

You missed the most obvious manager who still hasn't found a new club.

 

[überghost]

It’s not on him alone it’s a combo of him and Jose (who he hired) so yea it’s all levy.

I can agree with that. It's just that I (and many more) had higher hopes of what Mou would accomplish even with the current director, and therefore also blaming Mou for not beeing up to the challenge. I think that for me and other initial Mou supporters it hurts to se that we were wrong both to distrust Poch, trust Mou and to think that a change in managers was the sollution to all our troubles.

 

[Dougal]

You missed the most obvious manager who still hasn't found a new club.

Curbishley?

 

[topper]

Get the saudi’s to buy us instead of Newcastle and then poch can come
Back

Not even the Saudis will pay the money Lewis would want - you can get Newcastle for around £250/300m you could spend a billion on players, training ground new stadium and still fall short by £750m on the cost of buying us

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

It's a mix of the tactics and the players not being good enough for their roles.

We are using Aurier as our main attacking outlet. A man who hits the first man with crosses more often than Eriksen with corners.

We are using two central midfielders to shield the defence. Winks manages to pass forward with one pass in every ten. Sissoko manages to pass straight back to Winks with four passes in every five.

Davies, as clearly instructed, never gets forward so there is no width and therefore no real threat from our left hand side.

We seem to refuse to let Lo Celso and Ndombele, our two real creative passers, spend time on the pitch together and actually build up an understanding with each other and the attacking players.

Kane is constantly isolated from his teammates but firmly between two opposing centrebacks, which may also be a tactical instruction.

This is very much a team set out to not concede. As poor as the performance of most individuals and the team as a whole have been, the problem is definitely the system. Stick Lewandowski up front, Ronaldo wide left, Messi wide right and the performances and results won't be much different.

It is absolutely mental. We have nothing to lose in the league now, so why not actually go for the throat with this last run of games? I honestly wouldn't have cared if we had lost to Man Utd as long as we played some decent football and then followed it up with decent performances in the games afterwards.

Great analysis very true

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Not even the Saudis will pay the money Lewis would want - you can get Newcastle for around £250/300m you could spend a billion on players, training ground new stadium and still fall short by £750m on the cost of buying us

God there is no hope then lol

 

[NEVILLEB]

Lets be honest. This all goes back to ENIC's self imposed 18 month transfer ban. Not Poch's fault. Not Jose's fault. We all knew deep down it would set us back and lead to a few very painful years. And we all also know deep down ENIC will not do what it required to bring us out of this mess they've left us in.

You’d think this is obvious but there are still people on here who love to blame the Managers.

 

[topper]

Curbishley?

You bloody idiot - it's big Sam obviously - doh!

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Who did he buy that was good at United?

Fred!!!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I can agree with that. It's just that I (and many more) had higher hopes of what Mou would accomplish even with the current director, and therefore also blaming Mou for not beeing up to the challenge. I think that for me and other initial Mou supporters it hurts to se that we were wrong both to distrust Poch, trust Mou and to think that a change in managers was the sollution to all our troubles.

Mate I hear ya. I was all for poch out and Jose in because poch was done mentally and I thought the Jose risk was worth a gamble but yea it’s hard to admit we were oh so very wrong and fell hook line and sinker did his PR bandwagon whilst he was out of a job. He’s not the right man at all for our club and that’s on Levy... AGAIN

 

[dirtyh]

regardless of how shit we are, good on him for digging out oliver. i hope he continues week in week out until the incompetent biased bastard is driven out