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General transfer Policy Argument Thread
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In January Real Madrid came in which changed everything.
This window they've been hovering over him again, we're dealing with one of our main rivals, other teams (Inter have been mentioned) are sniffing around as well.
Does that help any shit add up? And that's without the countless other complications that can pop up in any deal that most of us don't have the slightest idea about.
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There has been solid ITK on him for ages and it's still been a long drawn out protracted affair, if it's so complicated and it's only a loan, it'd make you wonder why we haven't signed another forward with all that money we had in January...considering we've been looking for oh, 7 months.
6 days to get a face mask for this prospective egg here. You always sing the same tune TSH, fact is, the failure to act isn't really good enough, no matter how complicated etc. these deals are. We'll see how complicated the deals become when we get down to the final hours of the window. This window stinks, patience, lessons have been learned. Bollocks they have.
There is still Hunterlaar according to one ITK. I think the previous reply to your post is right, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes so how can we judge the effort? Sure we can look at the results i.e. no new signings and be frustrated but you can't always get what you want. There are several factors that can stop a transfer which are unavoidable by Spurs such as clubs, players and agents moving goalposts or changing their minds altogether. Maybe we don't offer enough money but that is because we cannot afford to offer more than we have budgeted for - that is what keeps our club alive. You may say we need to gamble but putting a fiver on a horse is a lot different to risking history, longevity and stockmarket prices in a declining economy. Small calculated risks are the way Spurs have to play which may mean pushing our top earners up by 10 or 20% but not by 100 or 200% as that simply isn't viable. In terms of our targets (again this is just assuming we are after the names that get posted here - which may not be accurate or indeed a complete list) we are in a difficult position in terms of the calibre of player. We maybe can't get the top top players because we don't have a sugar daddy but that shouldn't stop us looking at them as VDV does indeed show that it sometimes pays off. Equally, if we go for lower quality players we won't make any improvement on our squad which is already very talented. So we can hope to find hidden gems like Modric but they are few and far between, essentailly we are stuck - neither a top team nor a mid table team, better than most but unable to compete with the rest. Pretty unique.
I think we will do our best as a club to improve our chances, i can see us getting a couple of senior players to go with the 3 younger prospects we have pulled in. We just have to wait and see how the cards unfold next week. Ade would be ideal and i still think there is too much smoke there for it to be a non starter, if City mess us about that is a different question but i hinestly don't think they will because despite how rich they are they will not want to pay someone several million per season for no return.
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Maybe....and you know this is a big maybe....the ITK doesn't actually mean we know what's going on at the club. Maybe it gives us a glimpse into what's going on. Maybe it allows us to see about 1% of what is going on. Either way you don't know therefore the pompous 'this isn't good enough' approach just sounds silly.
This isn't really the place to be discussing, yet a-fucking-gain, our transfer policy, but I just wish that people would stop treating the transfer window as if it's one big game of football manager with Levy sitting there clicking money trying to buy players.
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There's nothing pompous about it, it's a fucking fact mate. With the right striker there's a very fair chance we'd be in the CL right now, finding the net was the problem. The amount of Adebayor ITK, press reports, quotes from the player and Tottenham staff show this has been going on for a long long time, far too long in such a crucial season.
Show our ambition? I'm sure Luka and the rest of the top players are chuffed.
The ITK is on the deals failing pretty much, it's relevant to the conversation.
As for your pompous, oversimplistic football game analogy, it doesn't take 7 months to click a fucking mouse mate.
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In fact, was VdV the striker we were looking for? Nope, but as he was at the right price, that deal was done in a matter of hours. Funny that.
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NOT ALL DEALS ARE THE SAME.
Some take a long time.
Some do not.
This one is taking a long time.
If he signs by the end of the month, why are you bothered? He can't play football for us until after City. It doesn't matter. You're being ridiculous.
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1. What makes you think that any hold up in the Adebayor deal is our fault? What is that you know, that nobody else does, that makes it 'not good enough' that we haven't signed him yet? Hmmm?
2. I know it doesn't take 7 months to click a button. That was my point! Jebus H Christ.
3. Why do you think deadline deals happen quickly? Quick tip...the clue is in the word deadline.
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Just opening this up so we can have a thread to discuss the Spurs transfer policy generally. Hopefully this will free up the ITK thread for just that...ITK.
Really nice post :roll:
I appreciate that you maybe frustruated but if anyone else on here like me spends there day job negotiating deals then i think you would have a better understanding of how things work.
Anyone or any club can conclude a deal quickly and this speed would depend on how much they are willing to concede, from the other parties side, some clubs like Man City have so much money to throw around they can conclude deals quickly and not have too many cares about various clauses and add ons.
DL seems to be the kind of guy that does care about every single word in a contract and what impact it has on the club. He may also be playing a game with one or two and lining up many deals and then will conclude when he feels that he had negotiated the best deal possible. So what if we have been chasing Ade for months, there are many factors that i will not bore you with that could be in effect here. Just chill out and wait until the end of the window. Just because our club do not act like others, does not mean things are not happening. If on Sept 1st we have no-one then you will be able to judge
Apologies, was typing as you posted
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The tone of the post was only in retort to TSH to be fair which I thought narky, would have just loved new players in a settled squad already for a very difficult start to the season, but this isn't the place for it anyways. Laters.
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The transfer 'policy' is a complete shambles.
Yes deals are hard but that's why the likes of Levy get paid millions of pounds a year because they're meant to be semi-competent at doing it.
Yes deals are hard but that's why the likes of Levy get paid millions of pounds a year because they're meant to be semi-competent at doing it.
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I reckon Levy is really trying to get us into the big time. But, he isn't willing to play poker with the club as a stake, hence things are done probably a little differently to others. His phone is probably red hot with all the goings on and irons in the fire. He's as obsessed as we are in all probability so there's a whirlwind going on in his world. Coz we're all waiting on the outside it looks like nothing's happening. Probably not helping that he's wasting precious time convincing Mr. Modric to stay. (SSN latest)
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I dont think we can really properly know how we have done in the transfer window untill it closes. I completely understand the frustatration that Paulo10 and RichSpurs have been displaying, at the end of the day we are all spurs fans and want us to succed in all areas and that includes getting the very best players we can. But untill the window closes all we are doing is guessing and driving ourselves crazy in the process.
Lots of people will now jump in with 'we should have done' out business early' or 'Levy should stop being so tight and just pay him what he wants' and many more statements of similar ilk, but how many of this opinions are based on hard fact?
The key thing is none of us really know what we have been and haven't been doing. We may have been trying for our top targets at the start of the summer, we may have decided to do our business late in order to get a better deal, we may have been haggling on terms for weeks with certain players, but we just don't know. We get a few bits of "ITK" and think we know how the club works and runs but truth is we know pretty much nothing, the term tip of the Iceberg springs to mind, we see 1% of what happens the rest is under the surface. Most of us also no nothing about how football clubs handle transfer deals and how contract disucssions are sorted we just guess and assume it should be easy when as we see from countless tarnsfers with sevreal different clubs it isn't always easy, the Fabregas deal springs to mind as it only took two years it was that simple.
There is so much we dont know so comments such as 'our transfer policy is a shambles' are IMO off the mark becuase we dont know what our transfer policy is.
At the end of the window then we can judge in the mean time all we can do is sit back and trust that Daniel Levy, Harry Redknapp and everyone else involved wants Spurs to succed just as we do.
Lots of people will now jump in with 'we should have done' out business early' or 'Levy should stop being so tight and just pay him what he wants' and many more statements of similar ilk, but how many of this opinions are based on hard fact?
The key thing is none of us really know what we have been and haven't been doing. We may have been trying for our top targets at the start of the summer, we may have decided to do our business late in order to get a better deal, we may have been haggling on terms for weeks with certain players, but we just don't know. We get a few bits of "ITK" and think we know how the club works and runs but truth is we know pretty much nothing, the term tip of the Iceberg springs to mind, we see 1% of what happens the rest is under the surface. Most of us also no nothing about how football clubs handle transfer deals and how contract disucssions are sorted we just guess and assume it should be easy when as we see from countless tarnsfers with sevreal different clubs it isn't always easy, the Fabregas deal springs to mind as it only took two years it was that simple.
There is so much we dont know so comments such as 'our transfer policy is a shambles' are IMO off the mark becuase we dont know what our transfer policy is.
At the end of the window then we can judge in the mean time all we can do is sit back and trust that Daniel Levy, Harry Redknapp and everyone else involved wants Spurs to succed just as we do.
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That is the most clueless thing I have read in years.
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Although I agree to a point, we don't really know this for a fact until this window closes. DL is not 'in it for the money' a point i feel he has more than proved by now (yes he may sell the club for a profit in the future but he has invested heavily, so why not?). The trouble is the money situation is pretty grim for football all round going forward. What is more beneficial, long term stability or paying waaaaayyy over the odds - real 'immoral' sums on fees and wages - and ending up in liquidation??
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that he was being sarcastic.
